Re: [Flightgear-devel] tacan.cxx fix to follow AITanker.cxx
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 23:12, alexis bory wrote: > Hi, > > TACAN has to search the new AI submode 'tanker'. > > This tiny patch can be applied to both PLIB and OSG. > Thanks for committing, > > Alexis Done. Thanks! - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] MD-11 repaint request
Hi Curt, I'll try to make one today. Gabor On Wednesday 13 June 2007 22:45, Curtis Olson wrote: > I was wondering if anyone out there would be interested in creating a FedEx > paint scheme for the FlightGear MD-11? > > Thanks, > > Curt. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding
"Csaba Halász" wrote: > PS: Be on the lookout, AWACS reports some patches on the way from me ;) BTW, they're celebrating 25th anniversary this weekend ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding
Jon S. Berndt wrote: > mess. In the real world, tabs are a bad idea. With modern editors, you can > configure the tab key and autoindentation to work very well generating only > spaces - and what you see is what you get. Tabs are invisible and look like > spaces to the eye, unless you cursor through them. > > Jon > I recall asking WordStar to do many a Find/Replace to swap grouped spaces with the tab character on source files... but that was assembler code on CP/M machines where the trade of many ASCII 20H to a few 09H meant squeezing more bytes on the 1 MB, 8 inch floppy. These days, that's not an issue. But tabs in source can be, especially when spaces are mixed in. In a collaborative project, spaces *will* get mixed in whether any one person likes it or not. The two, together, cause ugliness. So why not fully embrace the wonderful and (almost) free 0x20? As quoted above, any *modern* source editor will be happy to auto-indent to your columnar preference using tabs or spaces... but please save your tabs for the IBM Selectric(tm) typewriter, where seeing the platen rocket to the side without *quite* tipping the desk over can be quite exciting ;) -- Reagan Thomas - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding
> Now to the coding style. I can probably adjust to any style adopted as > standard, but pretty please forget about using spaces for indentation. > Isn't it obvious, that indentation is a higher level abstraction and > thus should be indicated in other ways (meaning tabs, of course)? > Besides, I can't imagine anyone counting the 12 spaces for the 3rd > indentation level. I assume they would just press tab and their > editors would do the rest. But then you can configure almost any > editor to display tabs in whatever size you are comfortable with. I > can't see any drawbacks in this. I won't use tabs, and remove them wherever I see them. If you are developing code where you are the only person coding, then go ahead and use them. But when multiple people use tabs or spaces in different editors, with different tab sizes, and tabs converted to spaces in different ways, it's a horrible mess. In the real world, tabs are a bad idea. With modern editors, you can configure the tab key and autoindentation to work very well generating only spaces - and what you see is what you get. Tabs are invisible and look like spaces to the eye, unless you cursor through them. Jon - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding
On 6/14/07, Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Vivian Meazza" wrote: > > > Lesson for the future. Understand what code does, test that it doesn't break > > anything, make sure it compiles on at least one other os, and submit it for > > review (especially when you are mucking around with other people's code). > [...] > > I don't enjoy repairing code which other people break, and nor, I expect > > does Alexis. I haven't got time, nor the inclination. > > Did you make sure that you're targetting the right person? Just in case > you didn't know, then you should realize _now_ that you're not the only > person who's been working on the AI subsystem recently. Looks like tacan is the magic word to make Vivian mad ;) Some time ago I also submitted a tacan patch for review, didn't get much response from other people. Might be worth to check it out if somebody missed it and is interested. I think my ideas were not that bad for the future. The "if it ain't broke don't fix it" strategy is not always the best. Now to the coding style. I can probably adjust to any style adopted as standard, but pretty please forget about using spaces for indentation. Isn't it obvious, that indentation is a higher level abstraction and thus should be indicated in other ways (meaning tabs, of course)? Besides, I can't imagine anyone counting the 12 spaces for the 3rd indentation level. I assume they would just press tab and their editors would do the rest. But then you can configure almost any editor to display tabs in whatever size you are comfortable with. I can't see any drawbacks in this. Finally some words about development in general. Of course everybody should test their changes prior to submitting them for inclusion, but I don't think this is such a serious matter. (Certainly not warranting buying a copy of windows to be able to check cross-platform) If any problems come up later, I am sure the author of the patch would be willing to fix what he has broken. As a last resort, the offending patch could be reverted, nothing is lost. Nobody is required to fix stuff broken by others. Some bad-tempered mail started showing up on this list recently. For me flightgear is great fun both flying and coding and I intend to keep it that way. So everybody be nice and don't get mad at each other, okay? Greets, Csaba PS: Be on the lookout, AWACS reports some patches on the way from me ;) - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding
"Vivian Meazza" wrote: > Lesson for the future. Understand what code does, test that it doesn't break > anything, make sure it compiles on at least one other os, and submit it for > review (especially when you are mucking around with other people's code). [...] > I don't enjoy repairing code which other people break, and nor, I expect > does Alexis. I haven't got time, nor the inclination. Did you make sure that you're targetting the right person? Just in case you didn't know, then you should realize _now_ that you're not the only person who's been working on the AI subsystem recently. BTW, breaking the build on other people's platforms is, unfortunately, common practice in FlightGear development and it's a rare case that those who broke it take care for getting things right within the next few days. In this context I don't think it's adequate to exaggerate the whole story, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding standardsproposal
Durk wrote > Sent: 13 June 2007 19:25 > To: FlightGear developers discussions > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding > standardsproposal > > > On Saturday 09 June 2007 17:07, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > * Durk Talsma -- Saturday 09 June 2007: > > > I've attached the configuration file, I've used for a few tests. > > > Would it be an idea to base a coding standard on the > basis of this? > > > > I would have been interested in this dicussion, but how can > you dare > > asking and *at the same time* starting to commit > auto-formatted files > > in a not agreed-upon style that is completely different from the > > original style? Fait accomplis? > > > > m. > > > > Since not everybody in the development team may immediately > realize what > Melchior is referring to, let me add a little backstory. The > start of this > thread was motivated by indentation inconsistencies in a file > that I was > patching last Saturday. This file, AIModels/AIAircraft.cxx > is one that I > have been putting a considerable amount of work in in the > past, and know > quite well. > > In the past, we have had discussions on the use of > autoformatting tools, but > the general consensus was that most tools, in particular > "indent", did not > handle C++ (as opposed to plain old 'C') very well. However, > that discussion > was years ago, and I found this to be a good opportunity to > start looking for > a decent indentation tool again. > > I came across this little program bcpp, which I referred to > in the beginning > of the thread. After some tests, I sent out the email that > started this > thread. Then I ran bcpp on a copy of AIAircraft.cxx, and was > -in general- > very pleased with the new consistency. I double-checked the > whole file by > hand to see if there were any apparent inconsistencies, and > when I determined > the reformatted file was in a much better shape than the > original one, I > decided to go ahead an commit the modified version. After > all, some people > are rather pedantic about code formatting, so I figured these > very people > would be pleased by the new -tightly formatted- layout of the file. > > Unfortunately, accidents do happen, and it seems like this > were the case here > as well. Personally, I don't really have a strong preference > for a particular > indentation style, so I committed the file the way it was. > Unfortunately, it > seems that this heated-up Melchior to the point spontaneous > combustion. The > upside is that version numbers are cheap, and revision > numbers are even > cheaper. So, in the wake of this all, I have committed > another revision in > strict K&R/4 style, hoping that everybody would be happy > again. Incidentally, > the bulk of that reformatting was done using the astyle > (artistic style) > program that Norman Vine referred to. > > Let me emphasize that it is *not* my intention to reformat > the entire code > base. AIAircraft.cxx was functionally restructured anyway, as > a consequence > of the patch I was committing, so this was an ideal time to > fix-up layout > issues. Since this would require a lot of work anyway, I > decided to conduct a > limited scale experiment by evaluating some beautifier tools. > Since the > results were favorable in my evaluation, I decided to push > ahead, and not let > the results of the experiment get wasted. > > In light of the this, I would like to reopen the discussion > again. In the > past, it was decided not to use beautifiers, because of their > inability to > handle C++. But it seems like those days are gone. The tools > that I did check > out seem to be doing a good job on C++ code, and and can > configured quite > easily to do formatting into an acceptable style. For > FlightGear, it seems > like this would be Kernigan and Richie, using 4 spaces. > (K&R/4) for each > level of indentation. I still believe it's too early, to go > with a general > recommendation in favor of using a beautifier. However, I > don't really see > anything wrong with occasional use of one of these tools done > by one of the > regular committers, in particular when it's done in > combination with a > careful evaluation of the results and when circumstances favor such a > reformatting. > > Cheers, > Durk > This war over formatting has obscured what actually happened. We got a totally unexpected patch which apparently hadn't been tested, or reviewed by anyone who had the least idea of how AIModels worked or was meant to do. It: A. Didn't compile under MSVC8. B. Broke Air-to-Air TACAN. (thanks Alexis for a neat fix) C. Broke AAR D. Has probably (but I haven't checked yet) broken MP AAR It might be the most elegant style, and good programming, but has rendered the tanker facility totally inoperative. Not Well Done, or in NATO terms negat Bravo Zulu. Lesson for the future. Understand what code does, test that it doesn't break anythi
[Flightgear-devel] tacan.cxx fix to follow AITanker.cxx
Hi,
TACAN has to search the new AI submode 'tanker'.
This tiny patch can be applied to both PLIB and OSG.
Thanks for committing,
Alexis
Index: tacan.cxx
===
RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/Instrumentation/tacan.cxx,v
retrieving revision 1.22.2.2
diff -u -p -u -p -r1.22.2.2 tacan.cxx
--- tacan.cxx 6 May 2007 14:02:46 - 1.22.2.2
+++ tacan.cxx 13 Jun 2007 21:04:20 -
@@ -337,7 +337,7 @@ TACAN::search (double frequency_mhz, dou
SG_LOG( SG_INSTR, SG_DEBUG, "tanker transmitter valid start " <<
_mobile_valid );
SGPropertyNode * branch = fgGetNode("ai/models", true);
-vector tanker = branch->getChildren("aircraft");
+vector tanker = branch->getChildren("tanker");
number = tanker.size();
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[Flightgear-devel] MD-11 repaint request
I was wondering if anyone out there would be interested in creating a FedEx paint scheme for the FlightGear MD-11? Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Need help- Requests to aerospace industries
Hello, Wow! Great - Eurocopter will never beat this! Greetings HHS --- Maik Justus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Hello Heiko, > > yes, you are right. Such a big company like > Eurocopter should beat the > small one easily. > > By the way: We will get a 3D model of the hornet by > the designer > > Best regards, > Maik > > > Heiko Schulz schrieb am 13.06.2007 21:58: > > Hello Maik, > > > > Wow - unbelievable! But you can't compare a small > > company with the big one... > > > > We will see... hope to get a first version of my > > request in a few days. I'm a little bit busy ... > > > > By the way - I get the information, that the pilot > can > > increase about 3% the rotor rpm with a small > button on > > the stick. Would be a nice feature for the next > > update... > > > > Greetings > > HHS > > --- Maik Justus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > > > >> Hello Heiko, > >> > >> Emmanuel (helijah) and I are working on a hornet > (a > >> small autogiro). To > >> get some detailed information on the rotor I > >> directly mailed the > >> constructor and got very detailed and helpful > answer > >> within half a day. > >> > >> Soon we will know, if Eurocopter can beat this. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Maik > >> > >> Heiko Schulz schrieb am 08.06.2007 00:41: > >> > >>> Hi Curtis, > >>> Hi all other developers, > >>> > >>> > >>> In the last days I improved much the model of > the > >>> ec135 for FlightGear. What really remains is the > >>> dynmic flight model. Maik and > >>> me are still looking for some datas. > >>> > >>> So I wanna ask at Eurocopter Germany if they can > >>> > >> help > >> > >>> us in any way. The best way would be If they can > >>> > >> give > >> > >>> us some datas. I'm not very sure about a > success. > >>> > >>> I think the best chances I will have if I could > >>> display Flightgear as an serious project with > >>> scientific background. (And I > >>> think that's FlightGear!). > >>> But I'm sure that there are a lot other views > what > >>> FGFS is. > >>> > >>> For that I need some things to know: Which > >>> Universities in the world are using Flightgear? > >>> > >> Which > >> > >>> companies of the > >>> aerospace industry are known for using > FlightGear? > >>> > >> I > >> > >>> remember hearing that Sikorsky is using > >>> > >> FlightGear... > >> > >>> > >>> Are there any official logos of Flightgear > project > >>> > >> for > >> > >>> using on letters? > >>> > >>> I think this is a way to introduce FGFS to other > >>> companies of aerospace industries out of USA and > >>> > >> North > >> > >>> America > >>> > >>> Greetings and Thanks in advance > >>> HHS > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 > express and take > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to > get it now. > http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Need help- Requests to aerospace industries
Hello Heiko, yes, you are right. Such a big company like Eurocopter should beat the small one easily. By the way: We will get a 3D model of the hornet by the designer Best regards, Maik Heiko Schulz schrieb am 13.06.2007 21:58: > Hello Maik, > > Wow - unbelievable! But you can't compare a small > company with the big one... > > We will see... hope to get a first version of my > request in a few days. I'm a little bit busy ... > > By the way - I get the information, that the pilot can > increase about 3% the rotor rpm with a small button on > the stick. Would be a nice feature for the next > update... > > Greetings > HHS > --- Maik Justus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > >> Hello Heiko, >> >> Emmanuel (helijah) and I are working on a hornet (a >> small autogiro). To >> get some detailed information on the rotor I >> directly mailed the >> constructor and got very detailed and helpful answer >> within half a day. >> >> Soon we will know, if Eurocopter can beat this. >> >> Regards, >> Maik >> >> Heiko Schulz schrieb am 08.06.2007 00:41: >> >>> Hi Curtis, >>> Hi all other developers, >>> >>> >>> In the last days I improved much the model of the >>> ec135 for FlightGear. What really remains is the >>> dynmic flight model. Maik and >>> me are still looking for some datas. >>> >>> So I wanna ask at Eurocopter Germany if they can >>> >> help >> >>> us in any way. The best way would be If they can >>> >> give >> >>> us some datas. I'm not very sure about a success. >>> >>> I think the best chances I will have if I could >>> display Flightgear as an serious project with >>> scientific background. (And I >>> think that's FlightGear!). >>> But I'm sure that there are a lot other views what >>> FGFS is. >>> >>> For that I need some things to know: Which >>> Universities in the world are using Flightgear? >>> >> Which >> >>> companies of the >>> aerospace industry are known for using FlightGear? >>> >> I >> >>> remember hearing that Sikorsky is using >>> >> FlightGear... >> >>> >>> Are there any official logos of Flightgear project >>> >> for >> >>> using on letters? >>> >>> I think this is a way to introduce FGFS to other >>> companies of aerospace industries out of USA and >>> >> North >> >>> America >>> >>> Greetings and Thanks in advance >>> HHS >>> >>> >>> - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Need help- Requests to aerospace industries
Hello Maik, Wow - unbelievable! But you can't compare a small company with the big one... We will see... hope to get a first version of my request in a few days. I'm a little bit busy ... By the way - I get the information, that the pilot can increase about 3% the rotor rpm with a small button on the stick. Would be a nice feature for the next update... Greetings HHS --- Maik Justus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Hello Heiko, > > Emmanuel (helijah) and I are working on a hornet (a > small autogiro). To > get some detailed information on the rotor I > directly mailed the > constructor and got very detailed and helpful answer > within half a day. > > Soon we will know, if Eurocopter can beat this. > > Regards, > Maik > > Heiko Schulz schrieb am 08.06.2007 00:41: > > Hi Curtis, > > Hi all other developers, > > > > > > In the last days I improved much the model of the > > ec135 for FlightGear. What really remains is the > > dynmic flight model. Maik and > > me are still looking for some datas. > > > > So I wanna ask at Eurocopter Germany if they can > help > > us in any way. The best way would be If they can > give > > us some datas. I'm not very sure about a success. > > > > I think the best chances I will have if I could > > display Flightgear as an serious project with > > scientific background. (And I > > think that's FlightGear!). > > But I'm sure that there are a lot other views what > > FGFS is. > > > > For that I need some things to know: Which > > Universities in the world are using Flightgear? > Which > > companies of the > > aerospace industry are known for using FlightGear? > I > > remember hearing that Sikorsky is using > FlightGear... > > > > Are there any official logos of Flightgear project > for > > using on letters? > > > > I think this is a way to introduce FGFS to other > > companies of aerospace industries out of USA and > North > > America > > > > Greetings and Thanks in advance > > HHS > > > > > > __ Yahoo! > Clever: Sie haben Fragen? Yahoo! Nutzer antworten > Ihnen. www.yahoo.de/clever > > > > > > > - > > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 > express and take > > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click > to get it now. > > http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ > > ___ > > Flightgear-devel mailing list > > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > > > > > > > - > This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express > Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 > express and take > control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to > get it now. > http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel > __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding standards proposal
On 6/13/07, Durk Talsma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In the past, we have had discussions on the use of autoformatting tools, but the general consensus was that most tools, in particular "indent", did not handle C++ (as opposed to plain old 'C') very well. However, that discussion was years ago, and I found this to be a good opportunity to start looking for a decent indentation tool again. In the past, yes indent did not correctly handle C++ code. It did a few things ok by chance, but messed up on many things. At the time we evaluated this, astyle handled C++, but did some things I considered unacceptable, and there was little ability to turn on/off various formatting features like you could with "indent." I came across this little program bcpp, which I referred to in the beginning of the thread. After some tests, I sent out the email that started this thread. Then I ran bcpp on a copy of AIAircraft.cxx, and was -in general- very pleased with the new consistency. I haven't had a chance to look at this one, but for what it's worth, the most useful "reformatter" I've seen so far is "emacs" indent-region command. The biggest hurdle by far for me understanding code is inconsistant and sloppy indentation. In light of the this, I would like to reopen the discussion again. In the past, it was decided not to use beautifiers, because of their inability to handle C++. But it seems like those days are gone. The tools that I did check out seem to be doing a good job on C++ code, and and can configured quite easily to do formatting into an acceptable style. For FlightGear, it seems like this would be Kernigan and Richie, using 4 spaces. (K&R/4) for each level of indentation. I still believe it's too early, to go with a general recommendation in favor of using a beautifier. However, I don't really see anything wrong with occasional use of one of these tools done by one of the regular committers, in particular when it's done in combination with a careful evaluation of the results and when circumstances favor such a reformatting. I'm still very nervous about enforcing some "automated" formatting style on the entire code base. There are some implications here that need to be considered ... for instance, how do we handle JSBsim or other code dependencies that we pull in? There are some very skilled coders participating in this project who have very specific coding styles for very specific reasons. I'm not sure I want to impose some automated format on them ... it could be a major hindrance if they have to deal with matching a formatting style they don't like or have specific legitimate problems with. Occasionally there are particularly hideous chunks of code that are screaming to be fixed up, and for those, an automated tool is probably as good as anything. But on the whole, for the entire project, once we get beyond the initial "sounds like a good idea" effect and you start looking at all the implications, I start to wonder if it would be more of a pain to enforce one single style for not all that much gained. Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Project http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.org Unique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding standards proposal
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 19:25:19 Durk Talsma wrote: > in particular when it's done in combination > with a careful evaluation of the results and when circumstances favor such > a reformatting. As I am not a developer in much of anyway here, and without siding with any 'side', I would like to point out that whatever happens, it would be nice to at least get a uniform style. I am pretty much new to C++ and lots of times, tracing the code, I fail terribly, as grep et al miss (typical): ( foo* bar) (foo * bar) (foo *bar) even though they are all the same. Unless I had a degree in regex and sed/grep, it is virtually impossible to trace the code through. Nick - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] C++ code beautifier / Coding standards proposal
On Saturday 09 June 2007 17:07, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Durk Talsma -- Saturday 09 June 2007: > > I've attached the configuration file, I've used for a few tests. Would it > > be an idea to base a coding standard on the basis of this? > > I would have been interested in this dicussion, but how can you > dare asking and *at the same time* starting to commit auto-formatted > files in a not agreed-upon style that is completely different from > the original style? Fait accomplis? > > m. > Since not everybody in the development team may immediately realize what Melchior is referring to, let me add a little backstory. The start of this thread was motivated by indentation inconsistencies in a file that I was patching last Saturday. This file, AIModels/AIAircraft.cxx is one that I have been putting a considerable amount of work in in the past, and know quite well. In the past, we have had discussions on the use of autoformatting tools, but the general consensus was that most tools, in particular "indent", did not handle C++ (as opposed to plain old 'C') very well. However, that discussion was years ago, and I found this to be a good opportunity to start looking for a decent indentation tool again. I came across this little program bcpp, which I referred to in the beginning of the thread. After some tests, I sent out the email that started this thread. Then I ran bcpp on a copy of AIAircraft.cxx, and was -in general- very pleased with the new consistency. I double-checked the whole file by hand to see if there were any apparent inconsistencies, and when I determined the reformatted file was in a much better shape than the original one, I decided to go ahead an commit the modified version. After all, some people are rather pedantic about code formatting, so I figured these very people would be pleased by the new -tightly formatted- layout of the file. Unfortunately, accidents do happen, and it seems like this were the case here as well. Personally, I don't really have a strong preference for a particular indentation style, so I committed the file the way it was. Unfortunately, it seems that this heated-up Melchior to the point spontaneous combustion. The upside is that version numbers are cheap, and revision numbers are even cheaper. So, in the wake of this all, I have committed another revision in strict K&R/4 style, hoping that everybody would be happy again. Incidentally, the bulk of that reformatting was done using the astyle (artistic style) program that Norman Vine referred to. Let me emphasize that it is *not* my intention to reformat the entire code base. AIAircraft.cxx was functionally restructured anyway, as a consequence of the patch I was committing, so this was an ideal time to fix-up layout issues. Since this would require a lot of work anyway, I decided to conduct a limited scale experiment by evaluating some beautifier tools. Since the results were favorable in my evaluation, I decided to push ahead, and not let the results of the experiment get wasted. In light of the this, I would like to reopen the discussion again. In the past, it was decided not to use beautifiers, because of their inability to handle C++. But it seems like those days are gone. The tools that I did check out seem to be doing a good job on C++ code, and and can configured quite easily to do formatting into an acceptable style. For FlightGear, it seems like this would be Kernigan and Richie, using 4 spaces. (K&R/4) for each level of indentation. I still believe it's too early, to go with a general recommendation in favor of using a beautifier. However, I don't really see anything wrong with occasional use of one of these tools done by one of the regular committers, in particular when it's done in combination with a careful evaluation of the results and when circumstances favor such a reformatting. Cheers, Durk - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] For the - Author of Concorde - Continued
Although AJ's CG fix works, the concorde still glides around the ground as if falling forever sideways, even with the engines turned off it slides in a circular fashion Tilted onto one of its wing tips, sooner or later it hits something and flips over onto its back and continues to surf around like an ice skate on ice, it never stops keeps going forever nothing I can see tells me whats wrong with concorde :o( I have taken a few start up captures of the debugging window some on bulk 1st and then on Warn Etc I have copied it to the paste bin. http://pastebin.ca/564630 It expires in 2 months. Pls can someone help? Aerotro Online FlightGear Simulator Tracker Page. http://mpserver04.flightgear.org http://www.flightgear.org- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] [ANN] OSG - Improved Weather Radar
Hi, Tim Moore has been hard at work recently (with the smallest of inputs by me), and has ported the improved weather radar already available for plib to OSG. The patches are here: ftp://abbeytheatre2.org.uk/fgfs/instrumentation/osg/ And a reminder of the improvements available: raw radar contacts etc, and most important, no longer requires some convoluted .XML here: ftp://abbeytheatre2.org.uk/fgfs/Screen-shots/radar.jpg ftp://abbeytheatre2.org.uk/fgfs/Screen-shots/radar1.jpg ftp://abbeytheatre2.org.uk/fgfs/Screen-shots/radar2.jpg Vivian - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] New Multiplayer Server release
Hello List, in the last few days I have packed together a new release of the multiplayer server. The new release contains some bugfixes and improvements, mostly regarding interconnected servers. The main improvemtent "for the masses" is, that it finally compiles with gcc >= 4.1 ;) Please visit http://fgms.sourceforge.net/ for detailed information and download instructions. Enjoy, Oliver - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer bugfix
Hello list, I have prepared a small patch for src/MultiPlayer/multiplaymgr which fixes some minor bugs and did some cosmetics. The main thing about it is: - it does'nt open a listener port if no --multiplay=... is present - --multiplay=in,... does'nt open a listener port on 127.0.0.1 any more (a bug I introduced long a ago) You can find the patch at: http://www.o-schroeder.de/fg_server/mp_bugfix.diff Please commit it into cvs. Regards, Oliver - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] readkey / data structures
Hi Holger. On Montag, 11. Juni 2007 13:40, Holger Wirtz wrote: > Hi, > > sorry, this posting is a litte bit OT, but I need a small chunk of code > for reading a key press (blocking) from standard input. I wan't to > code something like a PTT key. On every hit on the "blank"-key the mic > should be switched on and the speaker should be switched of until releasing > the key. I had some pieces of code written 10 years ago but I cannot find > them... and I won't read everything about termios again :-/ Have a look at http://www.o-schroeder.de/misc/read_key.c which is what you want, I think. But remember it works only for terminal applications. > Next question: how do I code in C something like hashed in Perl? > I have a list of frequencies and geographic coordinates of the > corresponding airport. I need to check every 10 seconds if my actual > position (of the plane) is in a specified range towards all positions > in this list. How should I store this list? There will be about 16000 items > in this list... I don't speak perl, but if I understand it right, something like C++ maps is what you're looking for. Have a look at http://www.cppreference.com/index.html and read about C++ Maps, C++ Multimaps and maybe C++ Lists. If you intend to use pure C, and not C++, I guess you have to implement such a datatype for yourself or download a librabry somewhere. Enjoy, Oliver - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] AITanker and clean up side effects
Thomas Förster a écrit : > Am Mittwoch 13 Juni 2007 00:45 schrieb alexis bory: > > - no fuel anymore in the A-10 (fixed here in my working tree). > > Huh? How can a change in the AI system affect the fuel state of an > aircraft model (Broken by design?) Anyway thanks for fixing, please > commit. It wasn't a big deal: the A-10 mixes parts of fuel.nas and aar.nas in his own fuel management and was looking for /ai/models/aircraft/refuel/contact... Actually, this piece of code will be more robust after that. > > - no AAR TACAN anymore (need to be fixed in tacan.cxx) > > Vivian also found this one and fixed it already. I forgot to > initialize the respective property in the property tree. OK, fine. We had so much trouble with TCN in the past that every single change looks to me as a great disaster. >I never expected so many side effects, which is a strong hint > that the modules definitely needs a cleanup. As, indeed, could be applied to the A-10 :-/ > For the future I wish a more open access to the version control (svn) > so changes like that one can be safely developed in a separate branch > and thoroughly tested before merging to HEAD. > > Until then we probably have to live with occasional broken HEAD > revisions. Thats what it is for - development. The alternative is > that I stop commiting at all. No problem, I just wanted to emphasis the need of communication as we can't just rely on CVS for team communication. Cheers, Alexis - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/src/AIModel AIAircraft.cxx,
Melchior FRANZ wrote: > WTF was this?! Oh, great, "FlightGear-lyrics" in the cvslogs archive :-) It's funny: Some people in this crowd can be easily identified by the style of their wording without putting their name on top of the text, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] AITanker and clean up side effects
Am Mittwoch 13 Juni 2007 00:45 schrieb alexis bory: > Hi, > > It's always a good idea looking for means to improve code, but changing > AImanager and AIAircraft had several side effects (collateral damages > ?), at least I noticed: > > - no fuel anymore in the A-10 (fixed here in my working tree). Huh? How can a change in the AI system affect the fuel state of an aircraft model (Broken by design?) Anyway thanks for fixing, please commit. > - no AAR TACAN anymore (need to be fixed in tacan.cxx) Vivian also found this one and fixed it already. I forgot to initialize the respective property in the property tree. > Sorry Thomas but you were a bit too fast in these changes. Please, next > time, would you mind asking around if anybody sees potential problems > with such changes ? I sent my changes to a commiter (which knows the AI system) for review. I never expected so many side effects, which is a strong hint that the modules definitely needs a cleanup. For the future I wish a more open access to the version control (svn) so changes like that one can be safely developed in a separate branch and thoroughly tested before merging to HEAD. Until then we probably have to live with occasional broken HEAD revisions. Thats what it is for - development. The alternative is that I stop commiting at all. Thomas -- PhD Student, Dept. Animal Physiology, HU Berlin Tel +49 30 2093 6173, Fax +49 30 2093 6375 - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Need help- Requests to aerospace industries
Heiko Schulz schreef: > I did know JavaFoil but it seemed to me that is only > based on NACA airfoils. Nethertheless a good chance to > get the airfoil. > You've got a good chance that the helicopter blade foil is actually a NACA series airfoil. For helicopters the NACA 00xx series is common (since it's symmetrical). For the EC135, the airfoil is listed on http://www.ae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/ads/aircraft.html as DVFLR DM-H3, the 145 as ONERA OA415/OA312. Bell uses NACA profiles (which is obvious, since aeronautical research in Europe and the US were conducted separately). - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Weekly CVS Changelog Summary: FlightGear data
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-06-03_01:26:37 (sydadams) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/gui/dialogs/Attic/ATC-log.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/gui/dialogs/Attic/ATCchat.xml Added dialogs for the ' aircraft' ATC... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-06-03_09:51:06 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/ReadMeFirst /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/ec135-set.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/ec135.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/splash.rgb Heiko SCHULZ: EC135 v0.2 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-06-03_09:51:07 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/thumbnail.jpg /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/TO-FR.rgb Heiko SCHULZ: EC135 v0.2 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-06-03_09:51:08 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/ai.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/altimeter.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/asi.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/beaconlight.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/binocular.adac.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/Attic/binocular.baypo.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/binocular_standart_adac.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/bk-hsi-512-1.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/chrome.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/chrome2.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/dhecz.binocular_standart.rgb Heiko SCHULZ: EC135 v0.2 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-06-03_09:51:09 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/ec135.ac Heiko SCHULZ: EC135 v0.2 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-06-03_09:51:19 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/ec135.nas /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/ec135.xml /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/face.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/fenestron.dhecz.rgb Heiko SCHULZ: EC135 v0.2 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-06-03_09:51:20 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/Attic/fuselage.adac.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/Attic/fuselage.baypo.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/fuselage.dhecz.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/halos.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/hsi.nas /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/hsi1.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/hsi2.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/hsi3.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/knob.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/livery.nas Heiko SCHULZ: EC135 v0.2 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-06-03_09:51:21 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/neddles.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/Attic/radardome.baypo.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/rotor_disc_M_tex.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/rotor_disc_tex.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/rotorblade.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/tail.adac.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/Attic/tail.baypo.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/tail.dhecz.rgb Heiko SCHULZ: EC135 v0.2 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-06-03_09:51:22 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/Attic/templatebinocular.tga.gz /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/Attic/templatefuselage.tga.gz /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/Attic/templatetail.tga.gz /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/Attic/templatevstab.tga.gz /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/transparent.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/transparent2.rgb Heiko SCHULZ: EC135 v0.2 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-06-03_09:51:23 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/vor01.rgb Heiko SCHULZ: EC135 v0.2 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-06-03_09:51:24 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/vor02.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/vor03.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/vsi.rgb Heiko SCHULZ: EC135 v0.2 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2007-06-03_09:51:25 (mfranz) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/Attic/vstab.adac.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/ec135/Models/Attic/vstab.baypo.rgb /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/da
[Flightgear-devel] LinuxTAG FlightGear Video Now on YouTube
For easy sharing - First part of LinuxTAG is now on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HKqSxjlUxc Second Part of of LinuxTAG is now on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cQRCui7UyE Slightly Modified part 2 Aerotro Online FlightGear Simulator Tracker Page. http://mpserver04.flightgear.org http://www.flightgear.org- This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
