Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
Am 03.04.2012 18:02, schrieb Gene Buckle: > On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Martin Spott wrote: > >> Stuart Buchanan wrote: >> >>> How's the cockpit project going BTW? >> >> Having a sponsor to pay the transport would be cool ;-) >> >> Aside from that, we're looking for a couple of small (8-12" range), >> bright and preferrably identical colour TFT displays for the panel, >> because the mechanics of the yoke prevent installing bigger ones. >> > Martin, if you were to pick up a copy of Mike Powell's book "Building > Simulated Aircraft Instruments", you could fill that whole panel pretty > cheaply, including a servo based artificial horizon. I would be happy to > supply you with any custom metal parts that they need. Our fgpanel instruments can look realistic but nothing's better than the real thing... I have a couple of real instruments that are no longer airworthy and I am evaluating how to drive them from FlightGear. The VOR and ADF indicators are simple as they are driven electrically and creating the synchro signals should be doable with a microcontroller. The gyro and pressure instruments require some mechanical work and Mike Powell's website just induced the nice idea of aircoils into my brain. If he only had an e-Book for download! 17$ for overseas S&H adds nearly 50% to the price of the book :-( Torsten -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
Hi Gene, Gene Buckle wrote: > Martin, if you were to pick up a copy of Mike Powell's book "Building > Simulated Aircraft Instruments", you could fill that whole panel pretty > cheaply, including a servo based artificial horizon. I would be happy to > supply you with any custom metal parts that they need. That's noted. Anyhow, I'm quite confident that I do have the skills required to design and build these instruments (electronics as well as well as metal working) - I'm just pretty clueless about where to steal the time for doing all this. Torsten as well as Thorsten have been quite successful in building panels using a wooden board equipped with TFT panels, therefore, as a consequence of notoriously running out of time, I'm still in favour of this approach Well, if we don't manage to find a couple of suitable TFT displays, I'll probably reconsider the idea of building the instruments ourselves :-) Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
Heiko Schulz wrote: > Look here: > http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/6/4/3/2081346.jpg > > http://www.airliners.net/photo/Cessna-172P-Skyhawk/2076182/L/&sid=40c47e6e201184197341cb50f65a74cd Bah, both are almost as ugly as our D-EEQA btw, the second one appears to be a Thielert converted one as well. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
Heiko Schulz wrote: > I didn't had any service manual when I started and announced the > c172p-update and it seems I did not informed myself enough about the > c172-history for the update. My comment wasn't meant to blame you for making a mistake ;-) it's just been an informal notice as I stumbled over the respective paragraph in the service manual. You did an excellent job by re-designing the C172 model, it made a tremendous difference compared to the previous one !! Cheers, Martin. P.S.: When you re-did the C172 model, I didn't have the service manual either, just the POH. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
On Tue, 3 Apr 2012, Martin Spott wrote: > Stuart Buchanan wrote: > >> How's the cockpit project going BTW? > > Having a sponsor to pay the transport would be cool ;-) > > Aside from that, we're looking for a couple of small (8-12" range), > bright and preferrably identical colour TFT displays for the panel, > because the mechanics of the yoke prevent installing bigger ones. > Martin, if you were to pick up a copy of Mike Powell's book "Building Simulated Aircraft Instruments", you could fill that whole panel pretty cheaply, including a servo based artificial horizon. I would be happy to supply you with any custom metal parts that they need. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Buying desktop hardware and installing a server OS doesn't make a server-class system any more than sitting in a puddle makes you a duck. [Cipher in a.s.r] -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
Hello, >Martin Spott wrote: >> Service manual says: [...] >"Beginning with 1971 Models, the landing and taxi lights are located in >the nose cowl". The D-EEQA (on the picture, sitting in wet grass) is a >1978's Cessna F 172N (serial 1697) and FlightGear's is, as far as I >remember, a 1981's C172P. Therefore I'd say the lights belong into the >cowling. I didn't had any service manual when I started and announced the c172p-update and it seems I did not informed myself enough about the c172-history for the update. But I used a a bunch of images as reference. Look here: http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/6/4/3/2081346.jpg http://www.airliners.net/photo/Cessna-172P-Skyhawk/2076182/L/&sid=40c47e6e201184197341cb50f65a74cd And according to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_172): The C172P.model was introduced 1981, but 1982 "the landing lights moved from the nose to the wing to increase bulb life" Maybe that's why I was mistaken. We can change now the light to the cowl to match 1981's version, or easier rename the model to the 1982's version. Cheers Heiko still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
Newer models of C172 has landing and taxi lights located in the front edge of the left wing. This can be seen on Cessna web site and I've seen it on planes built in 2008. Of course, if fg's C172 is from 1981 then the new placement of the lights probably does not apply. Cheers, Jari On 2012-04-03 12:26, Martin Spott wrote: > Martin Spott wrote: > >> Service manual says: [...] > > "Beginning with 1971 Models, the landing and taxi lights are located in > the nose cowl". The D-EEQA (on the picture, sitting in wet grass) is a > 1978's Cessna F 172N (serial 1697) and FlightGear's is, as far as I > remember, a 1981's C172P. Therefore I'd say the lights belong into the > cowling. > > Cheers, > Martin. -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
Stuart Buchanan wrote: > How's the cockpit project going BTW? Having a sponsor to pay the transport would be cool ;-) Aside from that, we're looking for a couple of small (8-12" range), bright and preferrably identical colour TFT displays for the panel, because the mechanics of the yoke prevent installing bigger ones. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
Martin Spott wrote: > Service manual says: [...] "Beginning with 1971 Models, the landing and taxi lights are located in the nose cowl". The D-EEQA (on the picture, sitting in wet grass) is a 1978's Cessna F 172N (serial 1697) and FlightGear's is, as far as I remember, a 1981's C172P. Therefore I'd say the lights belong into the cowling. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
On 04/03/2012 11:12 AM, Stuart Buchanan wrote: > Secondly, what cockpit and instrument illumination is available? I > _think_ there's a general overhead floodlight in the ceiling of the > aircraft (though I expect this isn't used during flight), and I've > previously assumed that the instruments are back-lit. Is that You probably know this, but c172p model in FG has a little knob for instrument backlight somewhere between throttle and mixture. Cheers, Edheldil -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Martin Spott wrote: > Stuart Buchanan wrote: > The C172's I know (past 1970, I think) are having the two lights > mounted into the cowling right below the prop - see: > > http://www.c172fg.de/d-eeqa-dismount-1-03.jpg Thanks - looks like our c172p has got lights in the wrong place! What model variant was D-EEQA? How's the cockpit project going BTW? On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: > There are also those with individual instrument lights shining on the front > side of the instrument. > Those are the grey things on this picture: > > http://www.airliners.net/photo/Civil-Air-Patrol/Cessna-172P-Skyhawk/0664577/L/&sid=6ac5ff61a14bb944082a937967e23d64 Excellent - thanks for digging out the pictures - I should have thought about looking at airliners.net. I'll get the landing/taxi lights set correctly, and then look at implementing the post lights. -Stuart -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
> Secondly, what cockpit and instrument illumination is available? There are also those with individual instrument lights shining on the front side of the instrument. Those are the grey things on this picture: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Civil-Air-Patrol/Cessna-172P-Skyhawk/0664577/L/&sid=6ac5ff61a14bb944082a937967e23d64 They give an effect like this (altough this isn't a P, it's a similar lighting as the previous picture): http://www.airliners.net/photo/Cessna-172N-Skyhawk/1891960/L/&sid=6ac5ff61a14bb944082a937967e23d64 -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
Martin Spott wrote: > The taxi light (I don't remember which one it is) [...] Service manual says: "The left hand light is used for taxi and the right hand for landing." and "Adjustment of the landing and taxi light is pre-set at the factory, however changes to this adjustment may be made as desired [...].", Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
Stuart Buchanan wrote: > I've got a couple of questions for anyone who has flown a c172 at > night: The landing light appears to be located on the left wing. I'm > having trouble determining the angle of the light, and how far it > extends. For the moment, I've pitched it slightly downwards, so the > top edge of the cone of light is approximately horizontal, and yawed > it to the right so that it illuminates more across the front of the > aircraft. I'm not sure either is correct! The C172's I know (past 1970, I think) are having the two lights mounted into the cowling right below the prop - see: http://www.c172fg.de/d-eeqa-dismount-1-03.jpg The taxi light (I don't remember which one it is) is pitched slightly downwards and illuminates not more than 50 m in front of the aircraft. The landing light shines straight ahead. > Secondly, what cockpit and instrument illumination is available? Some types are having individual instruments back-lit (depends on the particular instrument), but in general there's a red overhead lamp in the ceiling, illuminating the entire panel. Overall it depends on the age of the aircraft and on the preferences of the owner. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Updated Cub and c172p for Rembrandt
Hi All, I've made some initial changes to the Cub and c172p for project Rembrandt, including a landing light for the latter. Great work Fred! I'd highly recommend taking the Cub for a fly with the shadows turned on - the shadows of the overhead struts on the cockpit are particularly nice. I've got a couple of questions for anyone who has flown a c172 at night: The landing light appears to be located on the left wing. I'm having trouble determining the angle of the light, and how far it extends. For the moment, I've pitched it slightly downwards, so the top edge of the cone of light is approximately horizontal, and yawed it to the right so that it illuminates more across the front of the aircraft. I'm not sure either is correct! Secondly, what cockpit and instrument illumination is available? I _think_ there's a general overhead floodlight in the ceiling of the aircraft (though I expect this isn't used during flight), and I've previously assumed that the instruments are back-lit. Is that correct? Also, are there little "post" lights as standard? Thanks, -Stuart -- Better than sec? Nothing is better than sec when it comes to monitoring Big Data applications. Try Boundary one-second resolution app monitoring today. Free. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Boundary-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
