Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use under the FlightGear umbrella ?

2012-03-13 Thread J. Holden
Considering the same legal issues arise frequently, would you mind posting a link to the discussion, because all I can find is this: http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Copyright_Inquiry And in a quick response to the second question, your scenery would be more detailed if you built it using

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use under the FlightGear umbrella ?

2012-03-13 Thread flightgear
Considering the same legal issues arise frequently, would you mind posting a link to the discussion, because all I can find is this: http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Copyright_Inquiry And in a quick response to the second question, your scenery would be more detailed if you built it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-13 Thread Martin Spott
flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: BTW. I=92m wondering why no one uses the new flightgear-scenery mailing list for such discussion? Does it need more promotion? According to my personal experience it simply doesn't get any work done to have yet another communication channel (just look at the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-13 Thread HB-GRAL
Am 13.03.12 17:46, schrieb Martin Spott: According to my personal experience it simply doesn't get any work done to have yet another communication channel (just look at the Scenery web forum - you know what I mean ;-) but it adds more overhead because there's one more channel to monitor.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use underthe FlightGear umbrella ?

2012-03-12 Thread Alan Teeder
-Original Message- From: Martin Spott Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:00 AM Newsgroups: list.flightgear-devel To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use underthe FlightGear umbrella ? http://www.flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Spott
Alan Teeder wrote: From: Martin Spott http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=15711p=152972sid=0383829e2324ecb1bc0c0ed67655e826#p152945 The original question did refer to paper maps. Indeed, so why doesn't this jerk just develop a sensible on-topic reply instead of posting

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Johannes Ebke
Dear Martin, I disagree that you sign a contract when looking at printed maps. You cannot establish a contract by stating: by looking at this map, you agree to X Y and Z. However, at least in Germany where the original question came from, there are separate laws protecting Geodata from reuse,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Spott
Johannes, Johannes Ebke wrote: On 12.03.2012 09:38, Martin Spott wrote: The issue in question, neither with Google imagery nor with most printed maps, is _not_ about Copyright. Instead, by buying a printed map or by using Google Earth, you're signing a contract over how you're allowed to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Monday 12 March 2012 11:17:05 Martin Spott wrote: No, not by looking at a map, but by buying a printed map - which is what I stated above. Since you hardly get your hands onto commercial, printed maps (which I believe is the item we're talking about) without the act of buying the media,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Spott
Stefan Seifert wrote: For example at least in Germany and Austria but problably most of Europe, these Terms of Use printed on the map are no more legally binding than an End User License Agreement which many programs display on first start. That is because in these jurisdictions, one

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: Stefan Seifert wrote: For example at least in Germany and Austria but problably most of Europe, these Terms of Use printed on the map are no more legally binding than an End User License Agreement which many programs display on first start. That is because in these

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Robin van Steenbergen
There is a big difference between republishing a printed work and using it for a derivative, such as deducting measurements from a (paper) map to make a computer model of the streets or buildings which are also represented on the map. First off, in the case of a direct republish, the map's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Spott
Robin van Steenbergen wrote: In case of a building or airport modeled off a map, how is the original map-maker going to recognize that the runway (12000ft long) was actually derived from *his* map? I'd like to emphasize that willfully violating the terms of use of a map should always be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Robin van Steenbergen
Op 12-3-2012 14:33, Martin Spott schreef: Robin van Steenbergen wrote: In case of a building or airport modeled off a map, how is the original map-maker going to recognize that the runway (12000ft long) was actually derived from *his* map? I'd like to emphasize that willfully violating the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Spott
Robin van Steenbergen wrote: Op 12-3-2012 14:33, Martin Spott schreef: I'd like to emphasize that willfully violating the terms of use of a map should always be considered as being illegal and therefore unwelcomed (particularly in FlightGear land), no matter wether the map-maker can actually

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Robin van Steenbergen
Op 12-3-2012 15:26, Martin Spott schreef: That's an interesting case and we probably had a similar one recently in Germany. Did they try to sue anyone who *published* these photographs (on their private Picasa/Flickr/Panoramio or other albums) or just those who *sold* photographs ? Cheers,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread TDO Brandano
: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use Op 12-3-2012 15:26, Martin Spott schreef: That's an interesting case and we probably had a similar one recently in Germany. Did they try to sue anyone who *published* these photographs (on their private Picasa/Flickr/Panoramio

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread Alan Teeder
-Original Message- From: Robin van Steenbergen Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:17 PM To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use They actually tried to sue anyone who published photographs of the Atomium, either

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use

2012-03-12 Thread David Van Mosselbeen
@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use They actually tried to sue anyone who published photographs of the Atomium, either on their personal blog or on album accounts. Probably through some kind of automated crawler script which was programmed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use under the FlightGear umbrella ?

2012-03-12 Thread Andreas-Z
Hi, I'm the one who asked about the legal situation of using elevation data from a topographic map. http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=15711p=152972sid=0383829e2324ecb1bc0c0ed67655e826#p152945 I checked with the institution that provides these maps and they said they're _not_

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use under the FlightGear umbrella ?

2012-03-12 Thread Torsten Dreyer
Am 12.03.2012 18:25, schrieb andrea...@gmx.net: Hi, I'm the one who asked about the legal situation of using elevation data from a topographic map. http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=15711p=152972sid=0383829e2324ecb1bc0c0ed67655e826#p152945 I checked with the institution