Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use under the FlightGear umbrella ?
Considering the same legal issues arise frequently, would you mind posting a link to the discussion, because all I can find is this: http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Copyright_Inquiry And in a quick response to the second question, your scenery would be more detailed if you built it using SRTM-3 and CORINE data. I think SRTM-3 is already used for the areas it is available for, though, and there is possibly previously generated CORINE scenery available for the area you are interested in... Thanks John -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use under the FlightGear umbrella ?
Considering the same legal issues arise frequently, would you mind posting a link to the discussion, because all I can find is this: http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Copyright_Inquiry And in a quick response to the second question, your scenery would be more detailed if you built it using SRTM-3 and CORINE data. Just to add a note, building scenery with corine could probably be more detailed, but we will never be aware of the well known inconsistency corine has, whith each data cycle. You will find some papers about this. The give an example: we have a much more detailed classification system for Switzerland. Now this has been translated to corine, I guess - no, I'm sure - there are some compromises in classification. And this discussion you will find for every corine member probably. Now maybe when someone is looking to an area he/she knows very well, this inconstistency is noticable quickly. But from another point of view ... for the huge task to get more detailed scenery at europe overall the inconsistency doesnt matter that much. For me its imaginable to have more detailed custom scenery for distinct areas, digitized from scratch or using corine as a base and improving. Depends on resources. But first corine and other public sources have to be verified properly of course, and anyway wider experience using this layers for scenery creation is needed. Another question would be if it really makes sense to have more detailed and improved resources than corine for FlightGear scenery creation at all, or if this is more an interesting side project and somehow overstating the case. BTW. Im wondering why no one uses the new flightgear-scenery mailing list for such discussion? Does it need more promotion? Cheers, Yves -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: BTW. I=92m wondering why no one uses the new flightgear-scenery mailing list for such discussion? Does it need more promotion? According to my personal experience it simply doesn't get any work done to have yet another communication channel (just look at the Scenery web forum - you know what I mean ;-) but it adds more overhead because there's one more channel to monitor. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
Am 13.03.12 17:46, schrieb Martin Spott: According to my personal experience it simply doesn't get any work done to have yet another communication channel (just look at the Scenery web forum - you know what I mean ;-) but it adds more overhead because there's one more channel to monitor. Cheers, Martin. Yes, yes, always the same argumentation here far any kind of change. It was not meant as another channel. It replaces this one. ;-)) Cheers, Yves -- Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use underthe FlightGear umbrella ?
-Original Message- From: Martin Spott Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:00 AM Newsgroups: list.flightgear-devel To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use underthe FlightGear umbrella ? http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=15711p=152972sid=0383829e2324ecb1bc0c0ed67655e826#p152945 Martin. -- The original question did refer to paper maps. Alan -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
Alan Teeder wrote: From: Martin Spott http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=15711p=152972sid=0383829e2324ecb1bc0c0ed67655e826#p152945 The original question did refer to paper maps. Indeed, so why doesn't this jerk just develop a sensible on-topic reply instead of posting false allegations wrt. the use of Google imagery ? And even if you ignore his references to Google, it's still highly dubious what he's posting. The issue in question, neither with Google imagery nor with most printed maps, is _not_ about Copyright. Instead, by buying a printed map or by using Google Earth, you're signing a contract over how you're allowed to use these *media* and you simply have to stick to the terms of this contract - because you signed it. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
Dear Martin, I disagree that you sign a contract when looking at printed maps. You cannot establish a contract by stating: by looking at this map, you agree to X Y and Z. However, at least in Germany where the original question came from, there are separate laws protecting Geodata from reuse, with no contract needed. I pointed this out in http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=15711p=153049#p153049 Cheers, Johannes On 12.03.2012 09:38, Martin Spott wrote: Alan Teeder wrote: From: Martin Spott http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=15711p=152972sid=0383829e2324ecb1bc0c0ed67655e826#p152945 The original question did refer to paper maps. Indeed, so why doesn't this jerk just develop a sensible on-topic reply instead of posting false allegations wrt. the use of Google imagery ? And even if you ignore his references to Google, it's still highly dubious what he's posting. The issue in question, neither with Google imagery nor with most printed maps, is _not_ about Copyright. Instead, by buying a printed map or by using Google Earth, you're signing a contract over how you're allowed to use these *media* and you simply have to stick to the terms of this contract - because you signed it. Cheers, Martin. -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
Johannes, Johannes Ebke wrote: On 12.03.2012 09:38, Martin Spott wrote: The issue in question, neither with Google imagery nor with most printed maps, is _not_ about Copyright. Instead, by buying a printed map or by using Google Earth, you're signing a contract over how you're allowed to use these *media* and you simply have to stick to the terms of this contract - because you signed it. I disagree that you sign a contract when looking at printed maps. No, not by looking at a map, but by buying a printed map - which is what I stated above. Since you hardly get your hands onto commercial, printed maps (which I believe is the item we're talking about) without the act of buying the media, the act of purchase and thus signing the contract is implicit by looking at the map at least in most of the cases. Well, you can always argue oh, I didn't buy this map myself, I just found it on the road after someone dropped it there. Anyhow, most maps I know are having their origin and the Terms of Use printed somewhere in the legend or on the back and I suspect you'll face hard times arguing that, by accident, you didn't notice these terms before starting to derive measurements from the media - especially when you're tring to explain that you found dozends of maps on the road :-) Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
On Monday 12 March 2012 11:17:05 Martin Spott wrote: No, not by looking at a map, but by buying a printed map - which is what I stated above. Since you hardly get your hands onto commercial, printed maps (which I believe is the item we're talking about) without the act of buying the media, the act of purchase and thus signing the contract is implicit by looking at the map at least in most of the cases. Well, you can always argue oh, I didn't buy this map myself, I just found it on the road after someone dropped it there. Anyhow, most maps I know are having their origin and the Terms of Use printed somewhere in the legend or on the back and I suspect you'll face hard times arguing that, by accident, you didn't notice these terms before starting to derive measurements from the media - especially when you're tring to explain that you found dozends of maps on the road :-) Like everything in law it's rather more complicated than one would expect. For example at least in Germany and Austria but problably most of Europe, these Terms of Use printed on the map are no more legally binding than an End User License Agreement which many programs display on first start. That is because in these jurisdictions, one cannot change a contract after the fact. So to be legally binding these terms of use would have to be part of the buying contract and the buyer would have to be able to read them and agree to them before buying for the terms to be legally binding. Just print them somewhere on the back of the map is simply waste of ink. I guess the moral of the story is that one should not try to determine legality by oneself, but ask a lawyer. Which is kind of ironic, since these laws are all binding for us, but the way it is is the way it is. Stefan signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
Stefan Seifert wrote: For example at least in Germany and Austria but problably most of Europe, these Terms of Use printed on the map are no more legally binding than an End User License Agreement which many programs display on first start. That is because in these jurisdictions, one cannot change a contract after the fact. So to be legally binding these terms of use would have to be part of the buying contract and the buyer would have to be able to read them and agree to them before buying for the terms to be legally binding. Just print them somewhere on the back of the map is simply waste of ink. which sounds nice in theory, but doesn't reflect current practice. Try it out, buy a printed, commercial map at your local bookstore, place a derivative of it onto your web page, ignore the cease-and-desist letter and wait until they sue you. Then try to tell court that you've been unaware of the terms of use at the moment when you bought the map. Happened to a lot of people - doesn't work. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
Martin Spott wrote: Stefan Seifert wrote: For example at least in Germany and Austria but problably most of Europe, these Terms of Use printed on the map are no more legally binding than an End User License Agreement which many programs display on first start. That is because in these jurisdictions, one cannot change a contract after the fact. So to be legally binding these terms of use would have to be part of the buying contract and the buyer would have to be able to read them and agree to them before buying for the terms to be legally binding. Just print them somewhere on the back of the map is simply waste of ink. which sounds nice in theory, but doesn't reflect current practice. Try it out, buy a printed, commercial map at your local bookstore, place a derivative of it onto your web page, ignore the cease-and-desist letter and wait until they sue you. Then try to tell court that you've been unaware of the terms of use at the moment when you bought the map. Well, you *might* successfully stay below the publisher's radar if your website is just a private playground and thus of minor importance to them. But if they sense implications with their commercial business, then they expect you to know about the terms of use of a printed map even without the staff at the bookstore explicitly requesting you to read the fineprint. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
There is a big difference between republishing a printed work and using it for a derivative, such as deducting measurements from a (paper) map to make a computer model of the streets or buildings which are also represented on the map. First off, in the case of a direct republish, the map's publisher can isntantly recognize that somebody made an actual copy, and therefore, also prove it in court. In case of a building or airport modeled off a map, how is the original map-maker going to recognize that the runway (12000ft long) was actually derived from *his* map? Since we're effectively modeling the real world, just like a map would, a map maker will have a very hard time suing after derivative works, since HIS map is also a derivative off the (uncopyrighted) real world. Let alone prove in court that your airport model is plagiarizing off his maps -- obviously, because it looks like the real airport it's supposed to represent on both the map and in the scenery! The only thing a (paper) map maker would effectively be able to copyright is his specific representation of the world -- that map, and only that. Now a digital map may be a dffferent issue since it's easy to automatically harvest large amounts of geo-data off digital maps, recompile it and reuse it for commercial purposes. Op 12-3-2012 13:22, Martin Spott schreef: which sounds nice in theory, but doesn't reflect current practice. Try it out, buy a printed, commercial map at your local bookstore, place a derivative of it onto your web page, ignore the cease-and-desist letter and wait until they sue you. Then try to tell court that you've been unaware of the terms of use at the moment when you bought the map. Happened to a lot of people - doesn't work. Cheers, Martin. -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
Robin van Steenbergen wrote: In case of a building or airport modeled off a map, how is the original map-maker going to recognize that the runway (12000ft long) was actually derived from *his* map? I'd like to emphasize that willfully violating the terms of use of a map should always be considered as being illegal and therefore unwelcomed (particularly in FlightGear land), no matter wether the map-maker can actually prove in court or not. And, btw, according to my experience of comparing more than 250 FlightGear airfield layouts against 3rd party data of different provenance it's much easier to tell the source of such a layout than you might think ! Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
Op 12-3-2012 14:33, Martin Spott schreef: Robin van Steenbergen wrote: In case of a building or airport modeled off a map, how is the original map-maker going to recognize that the runway (12000ft long) was actually derived from *his* map? I'd like to emphasize that willfully violating the terms of use of a map should always be considered as being illegal and therefore unwelcomed (particularly in FlightGear land), no matter wether the map-maker can actually prove in court or not. I hope you do realize that modeling scenery from a set of photographs is also violating copyright (under those same rules), namely that of the photographer? So strictly speaking, we would only be able to model buildings we see (and measure) with our own eyes. And even then, you're making a derivative work off something -- namely the creative work of the building's architect. (Before you ask, there have been cases over this, by the Belgian copyright authority trying to sue anyone who published photographs of Brussels' Atomium structure, claiming a derivative work off the copyrighted design of the architect.) -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
Robin van Steenbergen wrote: Op 12-3-2012 14:33, Martin Spott schreef: I'd like to emphasize that willfully violating the terms of use of a map should always be considered as being illegal and therefore unwelcomed (particularly in FlightGear land), no matter wether the map-maker can actually prove in court or not. I hope you do realize that modeling scenery from a set of photographs is also violating copyright (under those same rules), namely that of the photographer? Not generally, instead this depends on the copyright under which the photograph has been published. A lot of photographs have been published under a permissive license so people can just use them for modelling in FlightGear without violating any license or terms of use, some modeller(s) even negotiated with the publisher of a website which lists prominent scyscrapers (I don't remember the name any more), some people are taking photographs just for the purpose of creating models in FlightGear just to present a few examples. (Before you ask, there have been cases over this, by the Belgian copyright authority trying to sue anyone who published photographs of Brussels' Atomium structure, claiming a derivative work off the copyrighted design of the architect.) That's an interesting case and we probably had a similar one recently in Germany. Did they try to sue anyone who *published* these photographs (on their private Picasa/Flickr/Panoramio or other albums) or just those who *sold* photographs ? Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
Op 12-3-2012 15:26, Martin Spott schreef: That's an interesting case and we probably had a similar one recently in Germany. Did they try to sue anyone who *published* these photographs (on their private Picasa/Flickr/Panoramio or other albums) or just those who *sold* photographs ? Cheers, Martin. They actually tried to sue anyone who published photographs of the Atomium, either on their personal blog or on album accounts. Probably through some kind of automated crawler script which was programmed to send angry letters to anyone who posted a similar looking photograph. Needless to say, most of it is pure FUD, but unfortunately, civilians don't have the legal means to defend themselves against the enormous amounts of leverage big copyright holders can throw at it. -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
I think that the licence status notice on Wikipedia's Atomium photograph page pretty much explains it all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atomium_20-08-07.jpg Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:17:55 +0100 From: stone...@stoneynet.nl To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use Op 12-3-2012 15:26, Martin Spott schreef: That's an interesting case and we probably had a similar one recently in Germany. Did they try to sue anyone who *published* these photographs (on their private Picasa/Flickr/Panoramio or other albums) or just those who *sold* photographs ? Cheers, Martin. They actually tried to sue anyone who published photographs of the Atomium, either on their personal blog or on album accounts. Probably through some kind of automated crawler script which was programmed to send angry letters to anyone who posted a similar looking photograph. Needless to say, most of it is pure FUD, but unfortunately, civilians don't have the legal means to defend themselves against the enormous amounts of leverage big copyright holders can throw at it. -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
-Original Message- From: Robin van Steenbergen Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:17 PM To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use They actually tried to sue anyone who published photographs of the Atomium, either on their personal blog or on album accounts. Probably through some kind of automated crawler script which was programmed to send angry letters to anyone who posted a similar looking photograph. Needless to say, most of it is pure FUD, but unfortunately, civilians don't have the legal means to defend themselves against the enormous amounts of leverage big copyright holders can throw at it. -- See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomium for details and links. I wonder how many of their court cases were won? Alan Alan -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use
Check this: http://atomium.be/?lang=en#/AuthorsRights.aspx?lang=en That's the power of aberration, abuse of rights, abuse of free expression/freedom... and whatever you may imagine. About any software (including googlemaps/google earth) which put in abusive protective license. Add in, no reverse engineering allowed..., trying to understand what we stole is not allowed. Is just to protect themselves because they aren't the copyright holders of the whole product they provide. Not sure if even a click me to agree button is really of any real legal value. After all, you didn't printed, nor signed each other and send back to the authors the contract/agreement. Just to say so. Agreements needs to be written. It's just all about if you have money to defend you, or not. In case if it's really needed. Laws are just 50 years behind the reality. Full of holes to be filled in, or taken by those who need it. Fabulously, that such atomic mess didn't made noise at all here. Regards, David On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:25:06 -, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: -Original Message- From: Robin van Steenbergen Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:17 PM To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use They actually tried to sue anyone who published photographs of the Atomium, either on their personal blog or on album accounts. Probably through some kind of automated crawler script which was programmed to send angry letters to anyone who posted a similar looking photograph. Needless to say, most of it is pure FUD, but unfortunately, civilians don't have the legal means to defend themselves against the enormous amounts of leverage big copyright holders can throw at it. -- See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomium for details and links. I wonder how many of their court cases were won? Alan Alan -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use under the FlightGear umbrella ?
Hi, I'm the one who asked about the legal situation of using elevation data from a topographic map. http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=15711p=152972sid=0383829e2324ecb1bc0c0ed67655e826#p152945 I checked with the institution that provides these maps and they said they're _not_ free for me to use for scenery modelling. Now I have some more questions: 1. Is it legal to model an aircraft using a flight manual, or a flight test data sheet? 2. Would it significantly improve the accuracy of the terrain model if I built it using SRTM-3 or CORINE data, or is the elevation data of the standard scenery already based on this data? Thanks in advance! Andreas -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Willfully violating Google Terms of Use under the FlightGear umbrella ?
Am 12.03.2012 18:25, schrieb andrea...@gmx.net: Hi, I'm the one who asked about the legal situation of using elevation data from a topographic map. http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5t=15711p=152972sid=0383829e2324ecb1bc0c0ed67655e826#p152945 I checked with the institution that provides these maps and they said they're _not_ free for me to use for scenery modelling. Now I have some more questions: 1. Is it legal to model an aircraft using a flight manual, or a flight test data sheet? 2. Would it significantly improve the accuracy of the terrain model if I built it using SRTM-3 or CORINE data, or is the elevation data of the standard scenery already based on this data? I don't think there is a need to discuss this in two places, the forum and here. The legal questions here have been discussed before, no need to start from scratch. Torsten -- Try before you buy = See our experts in action! The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-dev2 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
