Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
I tried IE/FTP and Firefox/FTP and as you say both reported they had downloaded 530MB but the files were very much smaller. Used BitTorrent with no Antivirus or S/ware firewall (only the NAT router) and got a top download rate of 50KB/s and a 543MB file. Used to use Gozilla as download manager... about 4 years ago it was great...now it just [EMAIL PROTECTED] up the browser. Our local ISP was raping the dial-up for DNS/DHCP resources and the dial-up connections couldn't resolve URL's...we couldn't go to their ADSL offering as we had a different telephone provider and they bundled telephone and ADSL. so we bit the bullet and got cable TV/2Mb/s SDSL (the cable was aready run to the house)... my poor old P1 can only get 97KB/s out of the 2Mbps pipe (approx 250MB/s should be possible)... but still if the FTP/Torrent site and intermediates are up to it can get good download speeds... look forward to cutting the CD and try FGLive feedback on Win 32 Me/98SE platforms iminen. :-D enet From: Paul Surgeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sunday 21 May 2006 01:39, dene maxwell wrote: consequently downloding a 530MB ISO takes a painful 6.5 hours. You call that painful? FG CVS is over 400MB and I download it on dialup (and Linux distros and about 3GB of GIS data per month). All you need is patience my friend. :) When it does complete the download, i end up with a file very much smaller than 530MB. What are you downloading it with? If you're using a browser then I'm not surprised since they often drop downloads part of the way and then claim to have finished. IE and FireFox both do this nasty thing. Hopefully you're using a download manager. You can grab a windows copy of wget and use that or use a nice GUI one like NetAnts. Paul _ Shop til you drop at XtraMSN Shopping http://shopping.xtramsn.co.nz/home/ --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
..could also be your Wintendo setups. You might wanna fetch a lightweight distro like http://damnsmalllinux.org/ (50MB for creditcard size cds) and use that to fetch and burn FGLiveCD. Hey Arnt, just an observation I've noticed that alot of *nix users will dis Windows at almost every opportunity but I don't nearly as many Windows users dis'ing *nix... have you noticed this ? nothing meant by it...just an observation ;-) I have a Windows 2000 system (updated with latest service packs including Nero) that would never burn a cd reliably, even if the md5 was verified, and even if I didn't use the machine while burning/ preparing to burn. (An Athlon 1 Ghz with lots of disk space). I finally just gave up wasting cd-rs and download/burn everything on a mac os x system where I NEVER have a problem. (although I've never had any problems downloading on a linux system either. I never tried actually burning under linux). You could always try CD-RW, at least you wouldn't waste CD-Rs, but I don't know if that would solve the issue or if your drive supports burning them. To download via BitTorrent: You first need to download a BitTorrent application: see http:// www.bittorrent.com/. Here's information about the BitTorrent protocol from wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bittorrent To get the latest FGLive cd, you download this file: http:// pigeond.net/flightgear/fglive-0.1-linuxtag.torrent and then open it in BitTorrent -- in mac os x, you just drag the .torrent file onto the BitTorrent app's icon -- (and hopefully find a seed, there're 3 at the moment). I've only used BitTorrent to download FGLive so I'm no expert. I think the idea is once you've downloaded fglive, you should try to keep running BitTorrent for a bit to allow others to grab a copy of the fglive cd image you just downloaded. Please don't move or delete the image file while your doing this! I hope this helps... Best regards, Ima --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
dene maxwell wrote: ... as for FGLive...I have a 543MB ISO courtesay of Bittorrent.. and will burn it tomorrow onto a CD-RW... what's this MD5 stuff? This is a checksum that allows you to verify the correctness of the downloaded file. Sometimes during download of large files even over connections that should be considered to be 'clean' you may get bitten by a few corrupted bits. You use it simply by running # ~ md5sum filename and compare the result with the bublished checksum, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
dene maxwell wrote: so we bit the bullet and got cable TV/2Mb/s SDSL (the cable was aready run to the house)... my poor old P1 can only get 97KB/s out of the 2Mbps pipe The FTP site actually _does_ have a limit per client host but this is set high enough to staturate a 2 MBit/s line, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Sunday 21 May 2006 12:58, Martin Spott wrote: # ~ md5sum filename and compare the result with the bublished checksum, Martin. Or if you're lazy or have a md5sum file containing md5sums of several files put them all in one dir and do a : md5sum -c -v md5.sums -v is needed on some distros for more verbose feedback. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Sun, 21 May 2006 11:22:06 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: dene maxwell wrote: so we bit the bullet and got cable TV/2Mb/s SDSL (the cable was aready run to the house)... my poor old P1 can only get 97KB/s out of the 2Mbps pipe The FTP site actually _does_ have a limit per client host but this is set high enough to staturate a 2 MBit/s line, Martin. ..could be the isp's setup too. I'm throttling my web server box at 200kbps out. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
Tried to find the win32 version of the FGLiveCD to try had a look on pigeons site and all seemed to be oriented towards *nix ...only too willing to help with feedback...but need to know where to look for the binary/Iso ...is there a win32 binary? ...will any iso start up under *nix? ... treat me as a newbie (to FGlive anyway)... where do I go, what do I click, what do I do? will give all the feedback you need/want/can handle :-D ene From: Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 03:09:36 +0200 On Sat, 20 May 2006 07:52:48 +1200, dene wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Arnt From: Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 19 May 2006 12:11:49 +1200, dene wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: still just the question about multiple AI objects... any help including *RTFM* would be appreciated (hopefully with links) ... I apologise for wasting time, my only excuse is I'm keen :-/ ..keen enough? ;o) Does Pigeon's FGLive CD run on your box? Does the CD FG run? What sort of framerates do you see? No ... I haven't tried because I gather it's based around 09.10 (or atleast 099) both of which won't run on my box. On 098a with raw terrain I can get 40-60 fps...with 3d objects it drops to 20-30fps. ..try it anyway, if it fails on your box, we learn something we can use. ..and, just where you guys hide the framerate display on that launcher thing? (No framerates yet, too busy debugging the boot.) eh? ..the boot failed miserably on my box and I have a few ideas on why, too many Morphix and FG developers on Nvidea's or some such. ;o) So I haven't started playing with FG yet. I did like the glxgears numbers though, over 900fps on a 1xAGP slot driven by a 450MHz AMD K6-2, I usually see about 600, so I'm gonna move some hardware around. ..FGLiveCD boot workaround for ATI etc card users: hit [Esc] and use Grub's text based menu. No, it doesn't cure the first X config. ..what was the benchmark command line again, and, should we change it to automate collection of benchmark data? eh? ..we used to have a wee tarball distro for benchmarking FG. The benchmark command we ran in FGBenchmark-0.0.5: ' fgfs --aircraft=c172r-3d --airport=KSFO \ --start-date-lat=2002:04:11:11:11:11 \ --prop:/sim/fuel-fraction=0.2 \ --enable-fuel-freeze \ --prop:/environment/params/real-world-weather-fetch=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/enhanced-lighting=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/multi-pass-clouds=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/bump-mapping=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/use-display-list=false \ --prop:/sim/hud/draw-fps=true --disable-intro-music --disable-sound \ --enable-auto-coordination --prop:/controls/gear/brake-parking=1.0 ', parks us in a C172 with a nice framerate display. ..we probably wanna specify and report window size and coloring, and report hardware. And somewhere. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Saturday 20 May 2006 09:10, dene maxwell wrote: Tried to find the win32 version of the FGLiveCD to try had a look on pigeons site and all seemed to be oriented towards *nix ...only too willing to help with feedback...but need to know where to look for the binary/Iso ...is there a win32 binary? ...will any iso start up under *nix? ... treat me as a newbie (to FGlive anyway)... where do I go, what do I click, what do I do? The FGLiveCD is an entire Linux operating system plus FlightGear plus all the drivers needed to run on most hardware on a single CD/DVD. You don't install it. You just boot off the CD/DVD and it runs in RAM. In fact you don't even need to have a hard drive in your system in order to run the CD/DVD. There is no Win32 version and even if it was possible to make a Windows XP live CD (highly doubt it since the Windows kernel and system aren't anywhere as configurable as Linux) it would be illegal. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
SWEET what do i download?... i've never burnt an ISO before so please forget that I should know better. if this is possible/probable I really want to give it a try and hopefully the information gained will help everyone :-) :-D ene From: Frederic Bouvier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:53:12 +0200 Selon dene maxwell : Tried to find the win32 version of the FGLiveCD to try had a look on pigeons site and all seemed to be oriented towards *nix ...only too willing to help with feedback...but need to know where to look for the binary/Iso ...is there a win32 binary? ...will any iso start up under *nix? ... treat me as a newbie (to FGlive anyway)... where do I go, what do I click, what do I do? will give all the feedback you need/want/can handle Dene, If you download the FGLive image, burn it on a CD and reboot you PC from the CD, you'll be on Linux just because it wouldn't use your harddisk, and hopefully, you'll be able to experience FG 0.9.10 on Linux. That way, you'll know if it's your hardware that is at fault (if it doesn't work), or your drivers on Win98 (if it works). -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Read the latest Hollywood gossip @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/entertainment --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
Selon dene maxwell : SWEET what do i download?... i've never burnt an ISO before so please forget that I should know better. if this is possible/probable I really want to give it a try and hopefully the information gained will help everyone :-) Every CD burner software are able to burn a ISO image. EasyCD Creator, Nero, you name it... They all have a menu option Burn an image -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
Hi Paul, I refer to my reply to Fred...only too keen to try it...particularly since you've re-assured me that it won't try to install anything on the hard-drive (it's my partners PC) ... I've never burnt an ISO and hope I don't need any *nix knowledge ... I can try it on a P1 166Mhz, 96Mbyte RAM, S3 Trio64V+ and a P4 1.8Ghz, 256M RAM, GeForce2 MX ... feedback will be gladly given :-D ene From: Paul Surgeon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 09:55:15 +0200 On Saturday 20 May 2006 09:10, dene maxwell wrote: Tried to find the win32 version of the FGLiveCD to try had a look on pigeons site and all seemed to be oriented towards *nix ...only too willing to help with feedback...but need to know where to look for the binary/Iso ...is there a win32 binary? ...will any iso start up under *nix? ... treat me as a newbie (to FGlive anyway)... where do I go, what do I click, what do I do? The FGLiveCD is an entire Linux operating system plus FlightGear plus all the drivers needed to run on most hardware on a single CD/DVD. You don't install it. You just boot off the CD/DVD and it runs in RAM. In fact you don't even need to have a hard drive in your system in order to run the CD/DVD. There is no Win32 version and even if it was possible to make a Windows XP live CD (highly doubt it since the Windows kernel and system aren't anywhere as configurable as Linux) it would be illegal. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
What's the URL to the image? From: Frederic Bouvier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:24:02 +0200 Selon dene maxwell : SWEET what do i download?... i've never burnt an ISO before so please forget that I should know better. if this is possible/probable I really want to give it a try and hopefully the information gained will help everyone :-) Every CD burner software are able to burn a ISO image. EasyCD Creator, Nero, you name it... They all have a menu option Burn an image -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Saturday 20 May 2006 10:03, dene maxwell wrote: SWEET what do i download?... i've never burnt an ISO before so please forget that I should know better. if this is possible/probable I really want to give it a try and hopefully the information gained will help everyone :-) :-D ene Under Windows 98 you'll need some CD burning software that can burn ISO images. If you've bought a CD/DVD writer you normally get some burning software with it. However there is plenty of CD burning software around with trial periods. CloneCD and Nero Burning ROM are two which I have used in the past. Of course if you had a Linux distro like Kubuntu installed you can just right click on an ISO file in Konqueror and select burn with k3b. ;-) Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
Selon dene maxwell : What's the URL to the image? It's in the front page of www.flightgear.org : ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/FGLive/fglive-0.1-linuxtag.iso or use BitTorrent. -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
Thanks Fred...that was what I needed...will try to burn it tomorrow morning (20:52 local and our equivalent of the FA cup is on Super 14 Rugby semi-final) ... now what I need is a way to try an AI flight-plan using UFO and the FG command line *--flight-plan=* option ;-) :-D ene From: Frederic Bouvier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 10:50:21 +0200 Selon dene maxwell : What's the URL to the image? It's in the front page of www.flightgear.org : ftp://ftp.ihg.uni-duisburg.de/FlightGear/FGLive/fglive-0.1-linuxtag.iso or use BitTorrent. -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Need a new job? Check out XtraMSN Careers http://xtramsn.co.nz/careers --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Saturday 20 May 2006 03:59 am, dene maxwell wrote: ... now what I need is a way to try an AI flight-plan using UFO and the FG command line *--flight-plan=* option ;-) As far as I know the --flight-plan=* option has nothing to do with AI. AI flight plans are defined within each entry of the scenario file. Dave --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
Hi Dave
so how do I specify a *--flight-plan=* file for the FG command-linewhat
format, relative path etc
I would like to test an AI flight-plan with the UFO so I can track it using
Atlas
cheers
:-D ene
PS 6% of the ISO downloaded.could be a long night...my ISP's cable 'net
is going really slow!!!\
:-{
From: Dave Culp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim
Object Properties
Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 04:09:59 -0500
On Saturday 20 May 2006 03:59 am, dene maxwell wrote:
... now what I need is a way to try an AI flight-plan using UFO and the
FG
command line *--flight-plan=* option ;-)
As far as I know the --flight-plan=* option has nothing to do with AI.
AI
flight plans are defined within each entry of the scenario file.
Dave
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Saturday 20 May 2006 04:27 am, dene maxwell wrote: so how do I specify a *--flight-plan=* file for the FG command-linewhat format, relative path etc As far as I know the --flight-plan=* option has nothing to do with AI. AI flight plans are defined within each entry of the scenario file. If it's AI flight plans you are talking about, then you won't be able to assign these using a command line switch. AI flight plans are only specified within scenario files. If you want to use the --flight-plan=* command line switch, then maybe someone here who has used that before can tell you what it does. I think it has something to do with the autopilot. Dave --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
sorta what I gathered Melchiors reply comfirmed it as I say ..nothing worthwhile is easy... thanks for the reply :-D ene From: Dave Culp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 04:39:53 -0500 On Saturday 20 May 2006 04:27 am, dene maxwell wrote: so how do I specify a *--flight-plan=* file for the FG command-linewhat format, relative path etc As far as I know the --flight-plan=* option has nothing to do with AI. AI flight plans are defined within each entry of the scenario file. If it's AI flight plans you are talking about, then you won't be able to assign these using a command line switch. AI flight plans are only specified within scenario files. If you want to use the --flight-plan=* command line switch, then maybe someone here who has used that before can tell you what it does. I think it has something to do with the autopilot. Dave --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
dene maxwell wrote: OK... I'll give it a go...I get the FGLive url from the archives (if they're behaving) and let you know the results. You could also get the URL from the FlightGear web site :-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
Dave Culp wrote: As far as I know the --flight-plan=* option has nothing to do with AI. AI flight plans are defined within each entry of the scenario file. Yep, that's correct. The --flight-plan option refers to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] type flightplan for the user controlled aircraft. Not for the AI. Cheers, Durk --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Sat, 20 May 2006 13:35:19 +1200, dene wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK... I'll give it a go...I get the FGLive url from the archives (if they're behaving) and let you know the results. btw ... i want to test an AI flight-plan using the ufo ..whatever, just try ' fgfs --aircraft=c172r-3d --airport=KSFO \ --start-date-lat=2002:04:11:11:11:11 \ --prop:/sim/fuel-fraction=0.2 \ --enable-fuel-freeze \ --prop:/environment/params/real-world-weather-fetch=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/enhanced-lighting=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/multi-pass-clouds=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/bump-mapping=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/use-display-list=false \ --prop:/sim/hud/draw-fps=true --disable-intro-music --disable-sound \ --enable-auto-coordination --prop:/controls/gear/brake-parking=1.0 ' ...too. Drop the above command line into a xterm and tell us what it does. , parks us in a C172 with a nice framerate display. ..we probably wanna specify and report window size and coloring, and report hardware. And somewhere. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Sat, 20 May 2006 20:38:43 +1200, dene wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Paul, I refer to my reply to Fred...only too keen to try it...particularly since you've re-assured me that it won't try to install anything on the hard-drive (it's my partners PC) ... I've never burnt an ISO and hope I don't need any *nix knowledge ... I can try it on a P1 166Mhz, 96Mbyte RAM, S3 Trio64V+ and a P4 1.8Ghz, 256M RAM, GeForce2 MX ... feedback will be gladly given ..on both, please. I'm curious about your P1's omph. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
Hi, Having real problems downloading the ISO. I'm using my P1 as it uses 98SE and is less prone to crashes than the P4 using Win Me. The P1 can usually drag 70KB/s out of the 2Mb/s SDSL cable connection but using the link provided it only gets to a little over 20KB/s... consequently downloding a 530MB ISO takes a painful 6.5 hours. When it does complete the download, i end up with a file very much smaller than 530MB. I did try on the P4 and ended up with an 80MB file. When I created a CD using this file it showed 530MB used on the CD but when I booted from it I got the splash screens and got to choose a language before the screen filled with error messages that it couldn't access files... looked very much like a disk corruption. When I downloaded it on the P1, I ended up with a file of only 29MB. Very reluctant to burn another CD with this file and end up with another useless CD. What's this BitTorrent that was mentioned and can/how do I use it? Cheers :-D ene From: Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:44:30 +0200 On Sat, 20 May 2006 20:38:43 +1200, dene wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Paul, I refer to my reply to Fred...only too keen to try it...particularly since you've re-assured me that it won't try to install anything on the hard-drive (it's my partners PC) ... I've never burnt an ISO and hope I don't need any *nix knowledge ... I can try it on a P1 166Mhz, 96Mbyte RAM, S3 Trio64V+ and a P4 1.8Ghz, 256M RAM, GeForce2 MX ... feedback will be gladly given ..on both, please. I'm curious about your P1's omph. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Find the coolest online games @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/gaming --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
Hi From: Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 21 May 2006 11:39:17 +1200, dene wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Having real problems downloading the ISO. I'm using my P1 as it uses 98SE and is less prone to crashes than the P4 using Win Me. The P1 can usually drag 70KB/s out of the 2Mb/s SDSL cable connection but using the link provided it only gets to a little over 20KB/s... consequently downloding a 530MB ISO takes a painful 6.5 hours. When ..on Bittorrent or off ftp??? FTP with s/ware firewall disabled (I'm behind a NAT router so not really a big risk) I have just downloaded and installed Bittorrent client... it seems to be going even slower (17KB/s) than FTP ..could also be your Wintendo setups. You might wanna fetch a lightweight distro like http://damnsmalllinux.org/ (50MB for creditcard size cds) and use that to fetch and burn FGLiveCD. Hey Arnt, just an observation I've noticed that alot of *nix users will dis Windows at almost every opportunity but I don't nearly as many Windows users dis'ing *nix... have you noticed this ? nothing meant by it...just an observation ;-) Thanks for your help Regards :-D ene _ Check out the latest video @ http://xtra.co.nz/streaming --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Sun, 21 May 2006 13:09:17 +1200, dene wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 21 May 2006 11:39:17 +1200, dene wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Having real problems downloading the ISO. I'm using my P1 as it uses 98SE and is less prone to crashes than the P4 using Win Me. The P1 can usually drag 70KB/s out of the 2Mb/s SDSL cable connection but using the link provided it only gets to a little over 20KB/s... consequently downloding a 530MB ISO takes a painful 6.5 hours. When ..on Bittorrent or off ftp??? FTP with s/ware firewall disabled (I'm behind a NAT router so not really a big risk) ..passive or active ftp? I have just downloaded and installed Bittorrent client... it seems to be going even slower (17KB/s) than FTP ..aouch. ..could also be your Wintendo setups. You might wanna fetch a lightweight distro like http://damnsmalllinux.org/ (50MB for creditcard size cds) and use that to fetch and burn FGLiveCD. Hey Arnt, just an observation I've noticed that alot of *nix users will dis Windows at almost every opportunity but I don't nearly as many Windows users dis'ing *nix... have you noticed this ? ..dis? I thought I was being nice... ;o) nothing meant by it...just an observation ;-) ..a meaningful observation to do: Pick one of the http links off http://damnsmalllinux.org/download.html and tell us how it downloads speedwise. ..then try 'wget -c http://80.239.32.253/fgl/fglive-0.1-linuxtag.md5' and *iso and advice me when you're done so I can yank it down, it's buggy and will be replaced. ..that fancy FGBenchmark-0.0.6-4-FGL line should be: ' fgfs --aircraft=c172p --airport=KSFO \ --start-date-lat=2002:04:11:11:11:11 \ --prop:/sim/fuel-fraction=0.2 \ --enable-fuel-freeze \ --prop:/environment/params/real-world-weather-fetch=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/enhanced-lighting=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/multi-pass-clouds=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/bump-mapping=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/use-display-list=false \ --disable-intro-music \ --disable-sound \ --enable-auto-coordination \ --prop:/controls/gear/brake-parking=1.0 \ --prop:/sim/hud/draw-fps=true ', but --prop:/sim/hud/draw-fps=true fails, so I need to re-enable it from the menu. Bug? Running off FGLivecd I get 3fps, same box with a _bloated_ junk install and running KDE-3.5.2-2, I get 1 to 2. ..the benchmark command we ran in FGBenchmark-0.0.5: ' fgfs --aircraft=c172r-3d --airport=KSFO \ --start-date-lat=2002:04:11:11:11:11 \ --prop:/sim/fuel-fraction=0.2 \ --enable-fuel-freeze \ --prop:/environment/params/real-world-weather-fetch=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/enhanced-lighting=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/multi-pass-clouds=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/bump-mapping=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/use-display-list=false \ --prop:/sim/hud/draw-fps=true --disable-intro-music --disable-sound \ --enable-auto-coordination --prop:/controls/gear/brake-parking=1.0 ', used to park us in a C172 with a nice framerate display. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
On Sun, 21 May 2006 05:43:11 +0200, Arnt wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ..that fancy FGBenchmark-0.0.6-4-FGL line should be: ' fgfs --aircraft=c172p --airport=KSFO \ ..snip. --prop:/controls/gear/brake-parking=1.0 \ --prop:/sim/hud/draw-fps=true ', ..weird, now it appears to work right off the commandline, you will wanna verify this, guys. but --prop:/sim/hud/draw-fps=true fails, so I need to re-enable it from the menu. Bug? Running off FGLivecd I get 3fps, same box with a _bloated_ junk install and running KDE-3.5.2-2, I get 1 to 2. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties
OK... I'll give it a go...I get the FGLive url from the archives (if they're behaving) and let you know the results. btw ... i want to test an AI flight-plan using the ufo ...found the flight-plan command line option but it doesn't seem to want to work. I have tried; a) invoking with path relative to FG-Root to the ai flight-plan (*.xml) b) invoking with full path to the ai flight-plan (*.xml) c) invoking with full path and xml extension will the --flight-plan= commandline parameter accept AI formated flight-plans? ... the getstart.pdf didn't have much detail apart from saying that it was for users who know what they're doing...obviously I DON'T... :-} :-D ene From: Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Flightgear-devel] ..FGLiveCD boot workaround, was: AI Sim Object Properties Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 03:09:36 +0200 On Sat, 20 May 2006 07:52:48 +1200, dene wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Arnt From: Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 19 May 2006 12:11:49 +1200, dene wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: still just the question about multiple AI objects... any help including *RTFM* would be appreciated (hopefully with links) ... I apologise for wasting time, my only excuse is I'm keen :-/ ..keen enough? ;o) Does Pigeon's FGLive CD run on your box? Does the CD FG run? What sort of framerates do you see? No ... I haven't tried because I gather it's based around 09.10 (or atleast 099) both of which won't run on my box. On 098a with raw terrain I can get 40-60 fps...with 3d objects it drops to 20-30fps. ..try it anyway, if it fails on your box, we learn something we can use. ..and, just where you guys hide the framerate display on that launcher thing? (No framerates yet, too busy debugging the boot.) eh? ..the boot failed miserably on my box and I have a few ideas on why, too many Morphix and FG developers on Nvidea's or some such. ;o) So I haven't started playing with FG yet. I did like the glxgears numbers though, over 900fps on a 1xAGP slot driven by a 450MHz AMD K6-2, I usually see about 600, so I'm gonna move some hardware around. ..FGLiveCD boot workaround for ATI etc card users: hit [Esc] and use Grub's text based menu. No, it doesn't cure the first X config. ..what was the benchmark command line again, and, should we change it to automate collection of benchmark data? eh? ..we used to have a wee tarball distro for benchmarking FG. The benchmark command we ran in FGBenchmark-0.0.5: ' fgfs --aircraft=c172r-3d --airport=KSFO \ --start-date-lat=2002:04:11:11:11:11 \ --prop:/sim/fuel-fraction=0.2 \ --enable-fuel-freeze \ --prop:/environment/params/real-world-weather-fetch=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/enhanced-lighting=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/multi-pass-clouds=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/bump-mapping=false \ --prop:/sim/rendering/use-display-list=false \ --prop:/sim/hud/draw-fps=true --disable-intro-music --disable-sound \ --enable-auto-coordination --prop:/controls/gear/brake-parking=1.0 ', parks us in a C172 with a nice framerate display. ..we probably wanna specify and report window size and coloring, and report hardware. And somewhere. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband @ http://jetstream.xtra.co.nz/chm/0,,202853-1000,00.html --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
