[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,
Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/docs-mini In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv6438 Added Files: README.sound Log Message: Add an explanation for using Arts. --- NEW FILE --- ALSA and Arts - This article leads me to the assumption that OpenAL at least on Linux is situated _always_ on top of the ALSA OSS emulation layer and does not use the ALSA interface directly but I find it hard to believe Why should I avoid directly using the ALSA layer with OpenAL ? Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,
Martin Spott wrote: ALSA and Arts This article leads me to the assumption that OpenAL at least on Linux is situated _always_ on top of the ALSA OSS emulation layer and does not use the ALSA interface directly but I find it hard to believe Why should I avoid directly using the ALSA layer with OpenAL ? This has nothing to do with OpenAL. This article was already written before Curtis started implementing it. The major problem here is Arts that doesn't play nice with programs that don't support Arts directly. This problem has annoyed me so much that if I had to chose an desktop manager it would never be KDE until they decide to stop using Art completely. This document is just an explanation on using FlightGear with KDE/Arts enabled. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,
* Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 28 April 2004 13:22: The major problem here is Arts that doesn't play nice with programs that don't support Arts directly. This problem has annoyed me so much that if I had to chose an desktop manager it would never be KDE until they decide to stop using Art completely. aRts is really not such a great thing. It started as a software synthesizer and (because there was no sound daemon at that time) was then enhanced with a DE interface. KDE 4 will use one of NMM, MAS, gstreamer. (Not decided yet.) Still, fgfs (and every other sound related application) works very well for me under KDE. And: - aRts can use ALSA - KDE can play sound without aRts (AFAIK; haven't tried) m. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,
Erik Hofman said: Martin Spott wrote: ALSA and Arts This article leads me to the assumption that OpenAL at least on Linux is situated _always_ on top of the ALSA OSS emulation layer and does not use the ALSA interface directly but I find it hard to believe Why should I avoid directly using the ALSA layer with OpenAL ? This has nothing to do with OpenAL. This article was already written before Curtis started implementing it. The major problem here is Arts that doesn't play nice with programs that don't support Arts directly. This problem has annoyed me so much that if I had to chose an desktop manager it would never be KDE until they decide to stop using Art completely. This document is just an explanation on using FlightGear with KDE/Arts enabled. Is this still true? I'm running KDE and can't remember the last time artsd got in the way. To be honest though, I don't recall what changed. Maybe I just turned off most of the stupid sounds in the kde apps. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,
* Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 28 April 2004 13:46: - aRts can use ALSA - KDE can play sound without aRts (AFAIK; haven't tried) Oh, I forgot to mention: the main problems with aRts and ALSA seem to lie in ALSA, at least for some chips (e.g. AC97). This improved vastly in the latest 2.6.* Linux kernels. m. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 28 April 2004 13:46: - aRts can use ALSA - KDE can play sound without aRts (AFAIK; haven't tried) Oh, I forgot to mention: the main problems with aRts and ALSA seem to lie in ALSA, at least for some chips (e.g. AC97). This improved vastly in the latest 2.6.* Linux kernels. Sure, the most widely used sound option doesn't work correct. That makes sense. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,
* Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 28 April 2004 14:15: Melchior FRANZ wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention: the main problems with aRts and ALSA seem to lie in ALSA, at least for some chips (e.g. AC97). This improved vastly in the latest 2.6.* Linux kernels. Sure, the most widely used sound option doesn't work correct. That makes sense. I may of course be wrong. But this was the impression I got from reading the Linux kernel mailing list (lkml), the kde-core, kde-devel, and kde-amarok (sound development) lists, and from regularly updating to the latest ALSA (now as part of the kernel; separately before) and at least once every week to the latest version of aRts. :-P m. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Erik Hofman -- Wednesday 28 April 2004 14:15: Melchior FRANZ wrote: Oh, I forgot to mention: the main problems with aRts and ALSA seem to lie in ALSA, at least for some chips (e.g. AC97). This improved vastly in the latest 2.6.* Linux kernels. Sure, the most widely used sound option doesn't work correct. That makes sense. I may of course be wrong. But this was the impression I got from reading the Linux kernel mailing list (lkml), the kde-core, kde-devel, and kde-amarok (sound development) lists, and from regularly updating to the latest ALSA (now as part of the kernel; separately before) and at least once every week to the latest version of aRts. :-P Ah well, lest be positive. It's a good thing that ALSA has evolved an a feature rich GPL'ed sound system for Linux that (almost) supports a large number of sound cards from different vendors. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/docs-mini README.sound, NONE,
Jim Wilson wrote: Is this still true? I'm running KDE and can't remember the last time artsd got in the way. To be honest though, I don't recall what changed. Maybe I just turned off most of the stupid sounds in the kde apps. My impression was that recent versions of arts and esd released the sound device after a timeout if nothing was being played, so that (statistically, at least) applications that need exclusive access will see an open device. Andy ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
