Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib/svn recommended
On mercredi 11 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * gerard robin -- Wednesday 11 February 2009: > > I disagree, since there is a mixing of supposed to be developer > > 'developing' and user 'using'. > > Sure, every developer is also a user. You are certainly a FlightGear > developer. But that's not what I meant. > > Users download a compiled release version from their distributor > or from flightgear.org. They unpack the archive and run it. That > may not always work perfectly, but generally it's not too hard. > > As soon as you check out source code and compile yourself, you > enter the developer domain, no matter if you are (or consider > yourself) a developer. And this will probably never be really > easy. Developers want powerful tools, and those are usually more > complicated to handle than user stuff. Maybe it's also because > developers just *want* it difficult. ;-) > > > Sure my question could have been asked on the user mailing list. > > No, no. There was nothing wrong with the question. Everybody > *has* to get the info from somewhere. > > > My very old experience has vanished , and it is not now with > > my 66 years old, that will start a carrier of developper . > > Don't worry. There are younger folks doing a lot worse. :-) Oh, n,i don't worry, I am glad about it, since my choice of way of life is to have pleasure with the real life. When i started on computer ( most of the guys, here, where not born :) ) my target was to leave as soon as possible that ugly technical environment. I got it, :) being mainly a representative user talking with developper. To me, modeling Aircraft is not development , only Drawing ( which is easy with these modern tools) and, only using an existing FDM program , according to the know how about aerodynamic and aircraft behaviour. > > m. > > So, everything i can say, here, is coming from a user mind not a developer mind. Regards -- Gérard http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/ J'ai décidé d'être heureux parce que c'est bon pour la santé. Voltaire -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib/svn recommended
* gerard robin -- Wednesday 11 February 2009: > I disagree, since there is a mixing of supposed to be developer > 'developing' and user 'using'. Sure, every developer is also a user. You are certainly a FlightGear developer. But that's not what I meant. Users download a compiled release version from their distributor or from flightgear.org. They unpack the archive and run it. That may not always work perfectly, but generally it's not too hard. As soon as you check out source code and compile yourself, you enter the developer domain, no matter if you are (or consider yourself) a developer. And this will probably never be really easy. Developers want powerful tools, and those are usually more complicated to handle than user stuff. Maybe it's also because developers just *want* it difficult. ;-) > Sure my question could have been asked on the user mailing list. No, no. There was nothing wrong with the question. Everybody *has* to get the info from somewhere. > My very old experience has vanished , and it is not now with > my 66 years old, that will start a carrier of developper . Don't worry. There are younger folks doing a lot worse. :-) m. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib/svn recommended
On mercredi 11 février 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * gerard robin -- Wednesday 11 February 2009: > > Then my question which folder must used ? branches ? tags ? trunk ? > > $ svn co https://plib.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/plib/trunk plib > > tags and branches in svn are the same as in CVS (just a lot more > painful). And trunk is what HEAD is in CVS. > > > " What we can do as developers is making the user experience as > > gentle as possible" That is exactly the problem here, GRRR > > Except that this has nothing to do with users. You want to check > out the *development* version of a library, because you want to > *compile* it yourself, because that's what is recommended for > *building* the *development* version of fgfs (for which you > *develop* aircraft). Do you notice a pattern here? No user stuff > involved here! We developers can handle that, don't we? :-) > > m. > I disagree, since there is a mixing of supposed to be developer 'developing' and user 'using'. For instance when i came back i noticed that the stable FG1.9.1 was delivered working with a not stable OSG library which an SVN version, in spite of an announced coming stable OSG Version. So i conclude that, HERE within the FG developers mind , any user is considered being aware with development process. Sure my question could have been asked on the user mailing list. Which wont have changed nothing :( . BTW: developing model does not mean, developing programs. My very old experience has vanished , and it is not now with my 66 years old, that will start a carrier of developper . Regards -- Gérard http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/ J'ai décidé d'être heureux parce que c'est bon pour la santé. Voltaire -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib/svn recommended
* gerard robin -- Wednesday 11 February 2009: > Then my question which folder must used ? branches ? tags ? trunk ? $ svn co https://plib.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/plib/trunk plib tags and branches in svn are the same as in CVS (just a lot more painful). And trunk is what HEAD is in CVS. > " What we can do as developers is making the user experience as > gentle as possible" That is exactly the problem here, GRRR Except that this has nothing to do with users. You want to check out the *development* version of a library, because you want to *compile* it yourself, because that's what is recommended for *building* the *development* version of fgfs (for which you *develop* aircraft). Do you notice a pattern here? No user stuff involved here! We developers can handle that, don't we? :-) m. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib/svn recommended
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM, gerard robin wrote: > > I have never used such SVN > Then my question which folder must used ? branches ? tags ? trunk ? > I guess that i wont get the same result. trunk - that is the current main branch tags should contain the tagged releases, but it doesn't - either plib devs are lazy to tag, or the cvs-to-svn migration screwed it up. branches would contain development branches. -- Csaba/Jester -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib/svn recommended
On mercredi 11 février 2009, Ron Jensen wrote: > On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 02:47 +0100, gerard robin wrote: > > How do we get the plib/svn which is the link, ? > > Within Plib official page > > http://plib.sourceforge.net/download.html > > there is nothing about svn > > > > thanks > > http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=382 > http://plib.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/plib/ > > Thanks, I have never used such SVN Then my question which folder must used ? branches ? tags ? trunk ? I guess that i wont get the same result. I noticed a remark from Daan on that mailing list " What we can do as developers is making the user experience as gentle as possible" That is exactly the problem here, GRRR Cheers -- Gérard http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/ J'ai décidé d'être heureux parce que c'est bon pour la santé. Voltaire -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib/svn recommended
On Wed, 2009-02-11 at 02:47 +0100, gerard robin wrote: > How do we get the plib/svn which is the link, ? > Within Plib official page > http://plib.sourceforge.net/download.html > there is nothing about svn > > thanks http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=382 http://plib.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/plib/ -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] plib/svn recommended
On jeudi 29 janvier 2009, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > In the last time I've submitted several fixes to plib, all of > which are now committed. It is now recommended to use plib/svn > (HEAD). Here's a list of the most important changes: > > - fix calculation of the slider handle size in > widgets (as used in the nasal-console, the joystick info, > chat history, weather scenario) > > - autohide not used sliders (especially useful for the nasal > console) > > - scroll a automatically if lines where added and > the slider handle is in the bottom position (especially > useful for the chat history) > > - make sliders in , conform with the behavior > of "modern" GUIs, that is: you can grab the handle anywhere > and drag; if you click on the slider background, then it > jumps one page. The old behavior was to immediately jump > to the clicked upon position, and had the disadvantage > the the slider didn't move *at all* before one reached > the handle's reference point in the center. > > It's also recommended to set the plib version number to > 1.8.6 in ./src/util/ul.h:157 (PLIB_TINY_VERSION from 5 to 6), > so that dialog.cxx can use a few of the new features. Some of > the dialog XML files were already adapted for PLIB 1.8.6, and > will work better with it. They will, however, work with 1.8.5 > as well. (Just worse. ;-) > > > These contributions don't meant that the idea to suck up > the remaining parts of PLIB into our repository has died. > > Occasionally, someone asks if/when we will migrate our GUI > from PLIB to osgWidget. This is still planned, but at the > moment it isn't an option. osgWidget offers only *very* > simple GUI elements, basically just clickable colored > rectangles and an input box. There's nothing like a listbox, > multiline-textedit field. Everything is plain, without > any 3D look. Also, osgWidget is still under heavy development, > or was, as the lead developer just took some time off. > > m. How do we get the plib/svn which is the link, ? Within Plib official page http://plib.sourceforge.net/download.html there is nothing about svn thanks -- Gérard http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/ J'ai décidé d'être heureux parce que c'est bon pour la santé. Voltaire -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] plib/svn recommended
In the last time I've submitted several fixes to plib, all of which are now committed. It is now recommended to use plib/svn (HEAD). Here's a list of the most important changes: - fix calculation of the slider handle size in widgets (as used in the nasal-console, the joystick info, chat history, weather scenario) - autohide not used sliders (especially useful for the nasal console) - scroll a automatically if lines where added and the slider handle is in the bottom position (especially useful for the chat history) - make sliders in , conform with the behavior of "modern" GUIs, that is: you can grab the handle anywhere and drag; if you click on the slider background, then it jumps one page. The old behavior was to immediately jump to the clicked upon position, and had the disadvantage the the slider didn't move *at all* before one reached the handle's reference point in the center. It's also recommended to set the plib version number to 1.8.6 in ./src/util/ul.h:157 (PLIB_TINY_VERSION from 5 to 6), so that dialog.cxx can use a few of the new features. Some of the dialog XML files were already adapted for PLIB 1.8.6, and will work better with it. They will, however, work with 1.8.5 as well. (Just worse. ;-) These contributions don't meant that the idea to suck up the remaining parts of PLIB into our repository has died. Occasionally, someone asks if/when we will migrate our GUI from PLIB to osgWidget. This is still planned, but at the moment it isn't an option. osgWidget offers only *very* simple GUI elements, basically just clickable colored rectangles and an input box. There's nothing like a listbox, multiline-textedit field. Everything is plain, without any 3D look. Also, osgWidget is still under heavy development, or was, as the lead developer just took some time off. m. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community SourceForge wants to tell your story. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sf-spreadtheword ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
