Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
Alan, simgear-config.h cannot be used in SGMisc.cxx because it is called from fg as well as sg. SGMisc will not compile without NOMINMAX , so you need it in your pre-processor definitions. Unless you have a better way . The error you report is the very one that replacing the SGMathFwd.hxx include with the SGMath.hxx include is meant to fix. I have just checked SG CVS Head and AFAIKS it still has the SGMathFwd.hxx include. I have discussed this with Tim, and he doesn't want to change it for now while he looks for a work around. Vivian -Original Message- From: Alan Teeder [mailto:ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk] Sent: 20 July 2009 13:13 To: vivian.mea...@lineone.net; 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Vivian Thanks, the number of errors has reduced, but I still see the attached for every file that includes props.hxx Also CVS now has the SGMath.hxx include, and NOMINMAX is already defined in simgear_config.h-msvc71 and hence in simgear_config.h, so I think that it is not needed in pre-processor defines. Alan _ From: Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] Sent: 20 July 2009 00:16 To: vivian.mea...@lineone.net; 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 And I forgot - you need to change #include simgear/math/SGMathFwd.hxx to #include simgear/math/SGMath.hxx in props.cxx -Original Message- From: Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] Sent: 19 July 2009 23:47 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Alan, Tim's fixes are now in CVS although not quite finished: you might have to add NOMINMAX to your pre-processor definitions. I'd be interested to hear how you get on. Vivian -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
That seems to have done the trick : edit props.hxx, not .cxx to use SGMath.hxx and defining #NOMINMAX at project level seems to work. More testing later, got to run. Thanks to Vivian and Tim for taking time to sort it out, Cheers, Nic On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Vivian Meazza vivian.mea...@lineone.netwrote: Alan, simgear-config.h cannot be used in SGMisc.cxx because it is called from fg as well as sg. SGMisc will not compile without NOMINMAX , so you need it in your pre-processor definitions. Unless you have a better way … The error you report is the very one that replacing the SGMathFwd.hxx include with the SGMath.hxx include is meant to fix. I have just checked SG CVS Head and AFAIKS it still has the SGMathFwd.hxx include. I have discussed this with Tim, and he doesn’t want to change it for now while he looks for a work around. Vivian -Original Message- *From:* Alan Teeder [mailto:ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk] *Sent:* 20 July 2009 13:13 *To:* vivian.mea...@lineone.net; 'FlightGear developers discussions' *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Vivian Thanks, the number of errors has reduced, but I still see the attached for every file that includes props.hxx Also CVS now has the SGMath.hxx include, and NOMINMAX is already defined in simgear_config.h-msvc71 and hence in simgear_config.h, so I think that it is not needed in pre-processor defines. Alan -- *From:* Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] *Sent:* 20 July 2009 00:16 *To:* vivian.mea...@lineone.net; 'FlightGear developers discussions' *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 And I forgot – you need to change #include simgear/math/SGMathFwd.hxx to #include simgear/math/SGMath.hxx in props.cxx -Original Message- *From:* Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] *Sent:* 19 July 2009 23:47 *To:* 'FlightGear developers discussions' *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Alan, Tim’s fixes are now in CVS although not quite finished: you might have to add NOMINMAX to your pre-processor definitions. I’d be interested to hear how you get on. Vivian -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
Vivian I have managed a compile of Flightgear. Nic was correct, props .hxx, not props.cxx. Flightgear and Simgear both now have NOMINMAX in my pre-processor defines. Flightgear needed most of the new modules from simgear\scene\material to be added to Simgear library before it would link. Unfortunately Flightgear now crashes during loading subsystems when it is run. Alan _ From: Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] Sent: 20 July 2009 13:50 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Alan, simgear-config.h cannot be used in SGMisc.cxx because it is called from fg as well as sg. SGMisc will not compile without NOMINMAX , so you need it in your pre-processor definitions. Unless you have a better way . The error you report is the very one that replacing the SGMathFwd.hxx include with the SGMath.hxx include is meant to fix. I have just checked SG CVS Head and AFAIKS it still has the SGMathFwd.hxx include. I have discussed this with Tim, and he doesn't want to change it for now while he looks for a work around. Vivian -Original Message- From: Alan Teeder [mailto:ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk] Sent: 20 July 2009 13:13 To: vivian.mea...@lineone.net; 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Vivian Thanks, the number of errors has reduced, but I still see the attached for every file that includes props.hxx Also CVS now has the SGMath.hxx include, and NOMINMAX is already defined in simgear_config.h-msvc71 and hence in simgear_config.h, so I think that it is not needed in pre-processor defines. Alan _ From: Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] Sent: 20 July 2009 00:16 To: vivian.mea...@lineone.net; 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 And I forgot - you need to change #include simgear/math/SGMathFwd.hxx to #include simgear/math/SGMath.hxx in props.cxx -Original Message- From: Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] Sent: 19 July 2009 23:47 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Alan, Tim's fixes are now in CVS although not quite finished: you might have to add NOMINMAX to your pre-processor definitions. I'd be interested to hear how you get on. Vivian -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
Thanks for the quick reply, and best wishes with the solution. Why oh why are MS compliers so pernickety? -Original Message- From: Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] Sent: 19 July 2009 09:19 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Alan Teeder RE: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/simgear/props props.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Sadly, props.hxx is still getting me errors with MSVC 2008 - see attached error log. -Original Message- From: Tim Moore [mailto:timo...@baron.flightgear.org mailto:timo...@baron.flightgear.org ] Sent: 17 July 2009 11:12 To: simgear-cvsl...@lists.sf.net Subject: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: source/simgear/props props.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Update of /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/props In directory baron.flightgear.org:/tmp/cvs-serv901/simgear/props Modified Files: props.cxx props.hxx Log Message: Changed SGRawValue::DefaultValue to an inline function. This avoids MSVC bugs in declaring templated specializations of static members. Unfortunately, there are still errors in the MSVC9 compile. Tim and I have been working to correct them, but we are still some way off. We are down to 1 right now, but it is proving rather intractable. Tim is unavailable atm, as is Fred, so do not expect an early resolution of this one. Vivian -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:27:57 +0100, Alan wrote in message 5fe353c04d92459a9dbf8d42d1b97...@ajtmain: Thanks for the quick reply, and best wishes with the solution. Why oh why are MS compliers so pernickety? ..business strategy: http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#C.2B.2B http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#OpenGL (...and only then, the next 3 immediately below #OpenGL: http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#C.23.2FCLI http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#.NET http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#Java , I've seen people talk about doing FG things in C# here.) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:27:57 +0100, Alan wrote in message 5fe353c04d92459a9dbf8d42d1b97...@ajtmain: Thanks for the quick reply, and best wishes with the solution. Why oh why are MS compliers so pernickety? ..business strategy: http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#C.2B.2B http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#OpenGL (...and only then, the next 3 immediately below #OpenGL: http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#C.23.2FCLI http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#.NET http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#Java , I've seen people talk about doing FG things in C# here.) These are only dirty tricks when the bad guys do them. :-) Even the GPL has a lock you in strategy. Governments have a tendency to consolidate and accumulate power and lock the people into systems that allow the gov't to maintain it's control. If you are a MS employee you probably think MS's strategies are a good thing. If you are an open-source advocate you probably think the GPL strategy is a good thing. We as humans put a big emphasis on judging intent ... so in places like the court room, the final outcome or penalty often has a huge dependence on perceived intent. And our personal views of good lock in strategies versus bad lock in strategies also depend on our personal views and personal judgment of intent. (And that's purely my opinion ... ) :-) MS is only doing the same things that every other company is also doing. It's just that MS has been very successful, and their decisions and policies affect a lot of people and therefore they have drawn a lot more scrutiny and attention than most other businesses. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. _ From: Curtis Olson [mailto:curtol...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 15:30 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Arnt Karlsen a...@c2i.net wrote: On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:27:57 +0100, Alan wrote in message 5fe353c04d92459a9dbf8d42d1b97...@ajtmain: Thanks for the quick reply, and best wishes with the solution. Why oh why are MS compliers so pernickety? ..business strategy: http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#C.2B.2B http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#OpenGL (...and only then, the next 3 immediately below #OpenGL: http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#C.23.2FCLI http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#.NET http://grokdoc.net/index.php/Dirty_Tricks_history#Java , I've seen people talk about doing FG things in C# here.) These are only dirty tricks when the bad guys do them. :-) Even the GPL has a lock you in strategy. Governments have a tendency to consolidate and accumulate power and lock the people into systems that allow the gov't to maintain it's control. If you are a MS employee you probably think MS's strategies are a good thing. If you are an open-source advocate you probably think the GPL strategy is a good thing. We as humans put a big emphasis on judging intent ... so in places like the court room, the final outcome or penalty often has a huge dependence on perceived intent. And our personal views of good lock in strategies versus bad lock in strategies also depend on our personal views and personal judgment of intent. (And that's purely my opinion ... ) :-) MS is only doing the same things that every other company is also doing. It's just that MS has been very successful, and their decisions and policies affect a lot of people and therefore they have drawn a lot more scrutiny and attention than most other businesses. Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
cl.exe which compiles C and C++ has nothing in common with the CLR compiler (.NET). Unrelated issues, and what Curtis said : a bit of perspective, gcc is NOT 100% compliant either. The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... Sheesh !! P.S : if warnings prevented building, no one would be flying today or tomorrow :) yeah, you're talking about backwards compatibility but obviously don't have a clue : you can use old standard unsafe versions of the routines if you want to, program will run fine on all versions of windows... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.ukwrote: It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. -- -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
Sorry folks, I seem to have started a flame war. This is not the right place. Alan _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:23 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 cl.exe which compiles C and C++ has nothing in common with the CLR compiler (.NET). Unrelated issues, and what Curtis said : a bit of perspective, gcc is NOT 100% compliant either. The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... Sheesh !! P.S : if warnings prevented building, no one would be flying today or tomorrow :) yeah, you're talking about backwards compatibility but obviously don't have a clue : you can use old standard unsafe versions of the routines if you want to, program will run fine on all versions of windows... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. _ -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
Sorry about calling you clueless, btw, I mistakenly thought your post was from the same person who linked to the propaganda bullshit site on MS : I'm no fan of MS, but I'm tired of falsehoods being used to critique them. Especially as all those examples were null or so badly distorted to be absolutely pointless. Not a flame war :) Incidentallly, I've been also failing miserably at fixing this : my code rustiness shows badly in this instance :) Cheers, Nic On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.ukwrote: Sorry folks, I seem to have started a flame war. This is not the right place. Alan -- *From:* Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 19 July 2009 17:23 *To:* FlightGear developers discussions *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 cl.exe which compiles C and C++ has nothing in common with the CLR compiler (.NET). Unrelated issues, and what Curtis said : a bit of perspective, gcc is NOT 100% compliant either. The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... Sheesh !! P.S : if warnings prevented building, no one would be flying today or tomorrow :) yeah, you're talking about backwards compatibility but obviously don't have a clue : you can use old standard unsafe versions of the routines if you want to, program will run fine on all versions of windows... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. -- -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
No problems. My code-writing skills are even worse than they were when I retired. Once upon a time I thought that I had the hang of C++, but these days I think that I must have been mistaken. _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:44 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Sorry about calling you clueless, btw, I mistakenly thought your post was from the same person who linked to the propaganda bullshit site on MS : I'm no fan of MS, but I'm tired of falsehoods being used to critique them. Especially as all those examples were null or so badly distorted to be absolutely pointless. Not a flame war :) Incidentallly, I've been also failing miserably at fixing this : my code rustiness shows badly in this instance :) Cheers, Nic On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: Sorry folks, I seem to have started a flame war. This is not the right place. Alan _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:23 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 cl.exe which compiles C and C++ has nothing in common with the CLR compiler (.NET). Unrelated issues, and what Curtis said : a bit of perspective, gcc is NOT 100% compliant either. The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... Sheesh !! P.S : if warnings prevented building, no one would be flying today or tomorrow :) yeah, you're talking about backwards compatibility but obviously don't have a clue : you can use old standard unsafe versions of the routines if you want to, program will run fine on all versions of windows... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. _ -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
Alan, Tim's fixes are now in CVS although not quite finished: you might have to add NOMINMAX to your pre-processor definitions. I'd be interested to hear how you get on. Vivian -Original Message- From: Alan Teeder [mailto:ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:52 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 No problems. My code-writing skills are even worse than they were when I retired. Once upon a time I thought that I had the hang of C++, but these days I think that I must have been mistaken. _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:44 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Sorry about calling you clueless, btw, I mistakenly thought your post was from the same person who linked to the propaganda bullshit site on MS : I'm no fan of MS, but I'm tired of falsehoods being used to critique them. Especially as all those examples were null or so badly distorted to be absolutely pointless. Not a flame war :) Incidentallly, I've been also failing miserably at fixing this : my code rustiness shows badly in this instance :) Cheers, Nic On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: Sorry folks, I seem to have started a flame war. This is not the right place. Alan _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:23 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 cl.exe which compiles C and C++ has nothing in common with the CLR compiler (.NET). Unrelated issues, and what Curtis said : a bit of perspective, gcc is NOT 100% compliant either. The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... Sheesh !! P.S : if warnings prevented building, no one would be flying today or tomorrow :) yeah, you're talking about backwards compatibility but obviously don't have a clue : you can use old standard unsafe versions of the routines if you want to, program will run fine on all versions of windows... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. _ -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
And I forgot - you need to change #include simgear/math/SGMathFwd.hxx to #include simgear/math/SGMath.hxx in props.cxx -Original Message- From: Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] Sent: 19 July 2009 23:47 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Alan, Tim's fixes are now in CVS although not quite finished: you might have to add NOMINMAX to your pre-processor definitions. I'd be interested to hear how you get on. Vivian -Original Message- From: Alan Teeder [mailto:ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:52 To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 No problems. My code-writing skills are even worse than they were when I retired. Once upon a time I thought that I had the hang of C++, but these days I think that I must have been mistaken. _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:44 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 Sorry about calling you clueless, btw, I mistakenly thought your post was from the same person who linked to the propaganda bullshit site on MS : I'm no fan of MS, but I'm tired of falsehoods being used to critique them. Especially as all those examples were null or so badly distorted to be absolutely pointless. Not a flame war :) Incidentallly, I've been also failing miserably at fixing this : my code rustiness shows badly in this instance :) Cheers, Nic On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: Sorry folks, I seem to have started a flame war. This is not the right place. Alan _ From: Nicolas Quijano [mailto:nquij...@gmail.com] Sent: 19 July 2009 17:23 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel][Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44,1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33 cl.exe which compiles C and C++ has nothing in common with the CLR compiler (.NET). Unrelated issues, and what Curtis said : a bit of perspective, gcc is NOT 100% compliant either. The issue has to do with standards compliance and C++ idioms, not MS business strategy Funny how any sense of perspective is thrown out the window with the opportunity to rag on MS... Sheesh !! P.S : if warnings prevented building, no one would be flying today or tomorrow :) yeah, you're talking about backwards compatibility but obviously don't have a clue : you can use old standard unsafe versions of the routines if you want to, program will run fine on all versions of windows... On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Alan Teeder ajtee...@v-twin.org.uk wrote: It is one thing to bring out a new software tool, in this case a compiler, that enables the use of new technologies (.NET for example), but to completely disregard the principles of backwards compatibility, forcing software to be extensively re-written, is another. _ -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Be Kind. Remember, everyone is fighting a hard battle. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Simgear-cvslogs]CVS:source/simgear/propsprops.cxx, 1.44, 1.45 props.hxx, 1.32, 1.33
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:43:41 -0400, Nicolas wrote in message 808354800907190943ic2f7c59g389bedc9eb3f1...@mail.gmail.com: Sorry about calling you clueless, btw, I mistakenly thought your post was from the same person who linked to the propaganda bullshit site ..you refer to http://grokdoc.net/ and by extension http://groklaw.net/ . _That_ discussion is OT here at FG-dev, and a bit less OT on Debian User, so I'll FU there, and at Groklaw: ;o) http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=displaysid=20090717043855128title=..my+guess+is,+Microsoft+is+going+after+the+Debian+etc+distro+mirror+donors.type=articleorder=hideanonymous=0pid=769578#c769950 on MS : I'm no fan of MS, but I'm tired of falsehoods ..so, let's find 'n fix them. ;o) being used to critique them. Especially as all those examples were null or so badly distorted to be absolutely pointless. ..me, I'm prepared to believe all those stories sung by the Debian Mono, C# etc sirens about tech merit ;o), I just see a litigation threat, on Debian Mirror Donors. Which again, is is OT here at FG-dev and on-topic on Debian User, so I FU there. ;o) http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=displaysid=20090717043855128title=..my+guess+is,+Microsoft+is+going+after+the+Debian+etc+distro+mirror+donors.type=articleorder=hideanonymous=0pid=769578#c769950 Not a flame war :) ..bullshit. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge This is your chance to win up to $100,000 in prizes! For a limited time, vendors submitting new applications to BlackBerry App World(TM) will have the opportunity to enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge. See full prize details at: http://p.sf.net/sfu/Challenge ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
