Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPWS-implementation on the 733 failed- can someone help?
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 11:33 +, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, I recently implemented the GPWS according to the tutorial: http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/GPWS and let it merged into FGdata To my own surprise it isn't working, though I can remember that the same tutorial worked perfectly shortly after fixing of the GPWS. I tried to fix it and had a look into the 777-200. Though I implemented all subsystems (electrical, instrumentation... it is still not working. I wonder whats wrong with the 733 in FGdata, obviously I miss something. Can someone help me? Thanks Heiko Heiko, I'd be interested to hear how this goes, I also implemented everything according to the Wiki tutorial, I remember it all worked quite a while ago, but I can't remember the last time I heard it working... scott. -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPWS-implementation on the 733 failed- can someone help?
On 30 Nov 2010, at 12:37, Scott Hamilton wrote: I'd be interested to hear how this goes, I also implemented everything according to the Wiki tutorial, I remember it all worked quite a while ago, but I can't remember the last time I heard it working... Thorsten B has done a huge amount of work on the GPWS in the past few months, my impression is that with the latest Git code, it's working better than at any point in its history - with the caveat, assuming you have configured it correctly! James -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPWS-implementation on the 733 failed- can someone help?
Hi Thorsten B has done a huge amount of work on the GPWS in the past few months, my impression is that with the latest Git code, it's working better than at any point in its history - with the caveat, assuming you have configured it correctly! James We just followed ThorstenB's wiki tutorial for implementing the GPWS... And that's our question: it seems something changed, but not in the wiki. And we are just asking for help to get it working again Heiko -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPWS-implementation on the 733 failed- can someone help?
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote: Thorsten B has done a huge amount of work on the GPWS in the past few months, my impression is that with the latest Git code, it's working better than at any point in its history - with the caveat, assuming you have configured it correctly! James We just followed ThorstenB's wiki tutorial for implementing the GPWS... And that's our question: it seems something changed, but not in the wiki. And we are just asking for help to get it working again Yes, I kind of adopted the GPWS. And there haven't been any recent changes, so the wiki description should still be correct (unless there was a mistake from the beginning...). Have you tested the GPWS with the latest 777-200 (in GIT since Sunday)? It's definitely working there. If it wasn't working for you, then we need to look at some FG problem (like the recent sound or directory access issues). If the 777 GPWS is working for you, then it's related to aircraft configuration. I'll be testing and looking at the 733. And those interested in a full-blown GPWS integration could check the 777-200 now. It has a new gpws Nasal wrapper to provide functionality like flap-, gear- and G/S-override buttons. It also shows how to allow lower flap settings for landing (by default, the GPWS requires full flap extension), connection of the master warning light, and how to connect the PFD, i.e. to display the PULL UP TCW (time critical warning). Admittedly, the GPWS in FlightGear is a bit complicated. The main reason is that the original author chose to simulate an actual hardware device (a specific type made by Honeywell). All inputs and outputs match the real counterpart - even the binary encoding of digital I/O. And yes, the configuration parameters (category-1...) are also identical to the real device. It just doesn't get any more realistic than this. But while this may make integration/configuration a bit more complicated than usual, I still think his work is really great. And remember about FlightGear: it's not a game - it's a real sim! :) cheers, Thorsten -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPWS-implementation on the 733 failed- can someone help?
Hi ThorstenB, Yes, I kind of adopted the GPWS. And there haven't been any recent changes, so the wiki description should still be correct (unless there was a mistake from the beginning...). I tried it shortly after you finished the tutorial and it worked perfect. Now it stopped working... Have you tested the GPWS with the latest 777-200 (in GIT since Sunday)? It's definitely working there. If it wasn't working for you, then we need to look at some FG problem (like the recent sound or directory access issues). If the 777 GPWS is working for you, then it's related to aircraft configuration. I'll be testing and looking at the 733. The 777-200 is working perfect in every aspects. Thanks for! I had a look into, even ported the related subsystems over to the 733, but no success. Scott (working on the A380) noticed the same with the wiki-tutorial and the GPWS. Interesting to know and maybe a hint: A380 and 733 are both JSBsim. Admittedly, the GPWS in FlightGear is a bit complicated. The main reason is that the original author chose to simulate an actual hardware device (a specific type made by Honeywell). All inputs and outputs match the real counterpart - even the binary encoding of digital I/O. And yes, the configuration parameters (category-1...) are also identical to the real device. It just doesn't get any more realistic than this. But while this may make integration/configuration a bit more complicated than usual, I still think his work is really great. And remember about FlightGear: it's not a game - it's a real sim! :) Yep, great work. Maybe because ARINC uses (or used?) FlightGear for developement? Thanks Heiko -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPWS-implementation on the 733 failed- can someone help?
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote: I had a look into, even ported the related subsystems over to the 733, but no success. Scott (working on the A380) noticed the same with the wiki-tutorial and the GPWS. Interesting to know and maybe a hint: A380 and 733 are both JSBsim. Right, that is related to the problem. Depending on configuration the GPWS relies on a specific altitude source which is only available for YASim right now. You could switch the category-8 parameter to 3 (instead of 2) - and the GPWS will work with JSBSim and other FDMs. However, please wait before pushing any ac changes, since this solution isn't good enough. The point here is that the GPWS needs a pretty accurate altimeter source for main-gear-above-ground-level, otherwise the important final callouts 20.10 make no sense. Since there is no such FDM source (except for YASim) we'll need to hook it to the radio altimeter instrument - which isn't available as a GPWS default source yet. I'll be changing and testing something here - and hopefully push something later this week (also a Wiki update, if required). Thanks for the report! And to reiterate: everyone, please report if you notice something wasn't working. Just add something to the tracker. Yes, reports there are monitored and bugs fixed (eventually) - even if some issues cannot be fixed on the same day :). cheers, Thorsten -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPWS-implementation on the 733 failed- can someone help?
Last time I used the radar-altimeter instrument it took too much time IMO to update. On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote: I had a look into, even ported the related subsystems over to the 733, but no success. Scott (working on the A380) noticed the same with the wiki-tutorial and the GPWS. Interesting to know and maybe a hint: A380 and 733 are both JSBsim. Right, that is related to the problem. Depending on configuration the GPWS relies on a specific altitude source which is only available for YASim right now. You could switch the category-8 parameter to 3 (instead of 2) - and the GPWS will work with JSBSim and other FDMs. However, please wait before pushing any ac changes, since this solution isn't good enough. The point here is that the GPWS needs a pretty accurate altimeter source for main-gear-above-ground-level, otherwise the important final callouts 20.10 make no sense. Since there is no such FDM source (except for YASim) we'll need to hook it to the radio altimeter instrument - which isn't available as a GPWS default source yet. I'll be changing and testing something here - and hopefully push something later this week (also a Wiki update, if required). Thanks for the report! And to reiterate: everyone, please report if you notice something wasn't working. Just add something to the tracker. Yes, reports there are monitored and bugs fixed (eventually) - even if some issues cannot be fixed on the same day :). cheers, Thorsten -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPWS-implementation on the 733 failed- can someone help?
Hi, Right, that is related to the problem. Depending on configuration the GPWS relies on a specific altitude source which is only available for YASim right now. You could switch the category-8 parameter to 3 (instead of 2) - and the GPWS will work with JSBSim and other FDMs. Yep, does work again... However, please wait before pushing any ac changes, since this solution isn't good enough. The point here is that the GPWS needs a pretty accurate altimeter source for main-gear-above-ground-level, otherwise the important final callouts 20.10 make no sense. Since there is no such FDM source (except for YASim) we'll need to hook it to the radio altimeter instrument - which isn't available as a GPWS default source yet. As this is a pretty accurate emulation of the real thing (or maybe it is even the real thing.. ;-)), how it gets its datas in real life? What is the source in reallife? And to reiterate: everyone, please report if you notice something wasn't working. Just add something to the tracker. Yes, reports there are monitored and bugs fixed (eventually) - even if some issues cannot be fixed on the same day :). We had this now several times now here on the list. My thought about this is before I report a bug to the bug-tracker, I want to know first if the bug isn't sitting in front of the pc.;-) Heiko -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPWS-implementation on the 733 failed- can someone help?
On 30 Nov 2010, at 21:55, Heiko Schulz wrote: We had this now several times now here on the list. My thought about this is before I report a bug to the bug-tracker, I want to know first if the bug isn't sitting in front of the pc.;-) It's much better to create a bug, and have it closed 30 minutes later because the error was with the user, than to wait days or weeks to file a real bug. Closing or merging bugs is easy. Of course, more people to look over the bugs, test them and update them, is always welcome too! James -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] GPWS-implementation on the 733 failed- can someone help?
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote: As this is a pretty accurate emulation of the real thing (or maybe it is even the real thing.. ;-)), how it gets its datas in real life? What is the source in reallife? The RL device may be configured to a number of radio altimeters - connecting to its analogue or digitial (ARINC) inputs. Anyone interested in designing a RL DIY radio altimeter may find this helpful. :) http://lea.hamradio.si/~s53mv/radalt/radalt.html On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Victhor wrote: Last time I used the radar-altimeter instrument it took too much time IMO to update. It doesn't seem too bad now. And the update frequency is configurable - and a very limited update frequency is enough to drive the GPWS. And I'll add more options to select/configure the altimeter source... cheers, Thorsten -- Increase Visibility of Your 3D Game App Earn a Chance To Win $500! Tap into the largest installed PC base get more eyes on your game by optimizing for Intel(R) Graphics Technology. Get started today with the Intel(R) Software Partner Program. Five $500 cash prizes are up for grabs. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intelisp-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
