Re: FLUXLIST: Morhigh Cueless Queues Queuing
Fascinating stuff; thanks! I'm reminded of an architect I knew in Los Angeles who was translating The Odyssey from ancient Greek based on the symbolic meanings/associations of the letters. S suggesting snake, etc. He did not know Greek, ancient or modern. I never saw the work, but he was saying that his resulting text was surprisingly close to the actual meaning of the original. Onword, John At 03:09 PM 3/5/02 -0800, you wrote: Iconicity is basically form miming meaning but It also has to do with Pierce This is the one of the best places to start: http://www.arthist.lu.se/kultsem/encyclo/iconicity.html Have you ever studied the Basic Chinese Radicals..the really old ones.. (Like say in Dr. L. Wieger's books) they call them primitives sometimes.. These things look like what they represent.. Fire basically looks like what it is.. It looks like some flames.. add phonosemantics to the equation and the word for fire might sound like fire burning.. except its a little more complicated than that.. its basically onomotopoietics and its relationship with grammar syntactics semantics and by association semiotics, anthropology, biolinguistics what have you.. For me its the potential of Iconicity in relationship with Delire that has some nice possibilities. (sic) Have you studied Jean Jacques Lecercle? eg Philosophy Thru The Looking Glass.. or The Violence of Language.. Great stuff.. And what would Iconicity in Expressive Language mean? Glyphs and/or rebus-type things mixed into text? If that's the case, then yes, I've done that. Esp. involving iconic treatment of letters as calligraphic signs in the midst of print. Its that, yes.. but more importantly its the idea that forms themselves are intimately associated with what they themselves mean.. and this has all kinds of ramifications for sociology, biology.. (ie Biosemiotics, many sub-discipines, and in fact the history of language and by default all poetics) Its sort of an obscure debate in Linguistics and Semiotics theory.. especially as it tries to deconstruct some of the different theorists like Eco and Goodman and basically Suassure who posit the conventional symbol and sort of leave out iconicity as noise but as in here this will do the trick.. http://www.trismegistos.com/IconicityInLanguage/Articles/Emerson.html I will mix a few up together so you can see how the general study of iconicity mixes with poetics http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/french/as-sa/ASSA-No10/No10-A1.html http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/Coeur.htm http://www.victorianweb.org/cpace/ht/wenz/image.html here's a message fron Doctor Nanny about his symposium.. He's in a very expensive to own book _Form Miming Meaning_ and _The Motivated Sign_ He's a pretty important guy.. I have been in contact with him for a short time and as soon as his archives come back on-line at the University of Amsterdam.. He's mailing me.. http://www.linguistlist.org/issues/12/12-2854.html http://www.english.upenn.edu/CFP/archive/1996-07/0005.html here's the Higgins collection reference: Clüver, Claus no letters, Clüver ms Iconicity and Isomorphism in Brazilian Concrete Poems. Cook, Elizabeth: 4 letters, 1986-87. http://www.getty.edu/research/tools/special_collections/higgins_m11.html http://www.trismegistos.com/IconicityInLanguage/default.html http://www.arthist.lu.se/kultsem/sonesson/many_iconic1.html anyway I'm very sure I'm rambling.. I've warmed to the subject quite a bit over the last few months.. so I'll Proomptly Shoosh.. Lanny http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/NOEMA.HTM - Original Message - From: John M. Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Morhigh Cueless Queues Queuing Great-looking stuff, Solipsis. Couldn't open a couple of 'em, but the ones I saw I liked... And what would Iconicity in Expressive Language mean? Glyphs and/or rebus-type things mixed into text? If that's the case, then yes, I've done that. Esp. involving iconic treatment of letters as calligraphic signs in the midst of print. Onword, John At 08:02 AM 3/5/02 -0800, you wrote: Puiguitkaat 1978 Elder's Conference here's one: [yaligman] (night-people) : a word for seals Yeah, My wife works at the publishing house that produced that work.. They had an internal auction for storeroom junk.. and that beautiful text was among the treasures she brought home.. I think she paid 2 dollars for it.. I still swoon everytime I dig into it... I was thinking (wishing) of doing a mini-study of nasal-stop clusters or any of the phonosemantic or ideophonic (choose your flavor of iconism).. aspects of that incredible eskimo language. Are you interested in Iconicity in Expressive language? I have been trying to educate myself in Iconicity studies for about the last 6 months. It seems like with the interest in Philadelpho Menezes here in the group, there would definitely
FLUXLIST: Sloppy haiku
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FLUXLIST: Red Team
thought you might enjoy seeing an ex-ample of these placques you can find on the web to practice funerary epigraphy. http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/Images/Gazetteer/Plac es/Europe/Italy/Lazio/Roma/Rome/museums/Musei_Capitolini/epitaphs/L.Avillus_ Dionysius=1.jpg here is the epigrapher's trans. To the gods of the afterlife: Claudia Helice erected this for Lucius Avillus Dionysius, trainer of the Red Team, her most worthy spouse.
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Tintinnabulation is of common use in French, as much as the verb tintinnabuler, but I didn't know it was invented: who's the author? (Lewis Carrol? James Joyce? Barbara Cartland?) Bertrand I must admit, it says a lot about an artist when an invented word becomes part of language. Do you think that in itself is fluxus?
FLUXLIST: Madigadi
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Isn't tintinnabulation from Edgar Allen Poe's The Bells? ...and the tintinnabulation that so musically swells from the bells... Noisily, Melissa Melissa McCarthy Hours: whimsical or by appointment Adult, maybe; grown-up, never! [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
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wonderful example of Iconicity.. tin.tin.nab.u.la.tion \.tin-t*-.nab-y*-'la--sh*n\ n [L tintinnabulum bell, fr. tintinnare to ring, jingle, of imit. ori]gin 1: the ringing or sounding of bells 2: a jingling or tinkling sound as if of bells Middle English, from Latin tintinnbulum, from tintinnre, to jingle, reduplication of tinnre, to ring, of imitative origin. - Original Message - From: Bertrand et Claudia CLAVEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST:by the by... Tintinnabulation is of common use in French, as much as the verb tintinnabuler, but I didn't know it was invented: who's the author? (Lewis Carrol? James Joyce? Barbara Cartland?) Bertrand I must admit, it says a lot about an artist when an invented word becomes part of language. Do you think that in itself is fluxus?
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flux - 12c., from O.Fr. flux, from L. fluxus, pp. of fluere to flow. Originally excessive flow (of blood or excrement); an early name for dysentery; sense of continuous succession of changes is first recorded 1625. that pushes bach the origen of the unit(e) fluxus ablit. GSZ - Original Message - From: Bertrand et Claudia CLAVEZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST:by the by... Tintinnabulation is of common use in French, as much as the verb tintinnabuler, but I didn't know it was invented: who's the author? (Lewis Carrol? James Joyce? Barbara Cartland?) Bertrand I must admit, it says a lot about an artist when an invented word becomes part of language. Do you think that in itself is fluxus?
FLUXLIST: Re: by the by...
Isn't tintinnabulation from Edgar Allen Poe's The Bells? ...and the tintinnabulation that so musically swells from the bells... Noisily, Melissa great quote, melissa. it comes from the latin tintinnare to tinkle from tinnire to ring think of tinnitus (ringing in the ears) tinny tin pan alley of course, poe and baudelaire were great drinking c buddies. i always thought the best thing about poe was baudelaire. my 'ti Bob cites Balzac (1839) : 'un paquet de breloques tintinnabulant' but i really liked barbara cartland, bertrand m.
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Isn't that more like onomonopoea? 'Tinntinnabulate' sounds like a bell, but the word doesn't really look like it. Or is my idea of iconicity off? Coincidentally, Arvo Pärt uses the term to describe his works, post-1970 or so, after his sabbatical. Note the following, borrowed (without permission) from http://www.musicolog.com/: "I have discovered that it is enough when a single note is beautifully played. This one note, or a silent beat, or a moment of silence, comforts me. I work with very few elements - with one voice, two voices. I build with primitive materials - with the triad, with one specific tonality. The three notes of a triad are like bells and that is why I call it tintinnabulation." -Arvo Pärt Thought that was kinda neat. ~t np: Spoon, "Advance Cassette" (A Series Of Sneaks)Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here
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Hm, I had been told by an English professor that Edgar Allen Poe invented the word, but when I looked it up in the American Heritage Dictionary, it appeared as though the roots came from Latin... stranger still, all the other dictionaries I checked attributed it to Poe. I wonder who's right? Dan At 09:56 AM 3/3/2002 +0100, you wrote: Tintinnabulation is of common use in French, as much as the verb tintinnabuler, but I didn't know it was invented: who's the author? (Lewis Carrol? James Joyce? Barbara Cartland?) Bertrand I must admit, it says a lot about an artist when an invented word becomes part of language. Do you think that in itself is fluxus?
FLUXLIST: Fwd: my goings on
Submikssion to the Fluxus Registry. Don Boyd, you might want to contact this person directly. Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:00:48 GMT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: my goings on From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] i am in ohio. i am the only fluxus artist i know exists in ohio. i gently lower small keyboards off the roof of my house. i attract small crowds of passers-by. i have a nonsensical book of wonderful collages i am currently working on. my goal is to fill the book. i think i might not. i tie a mean shoelace. janelle davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
