Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-26 Thread mn
I thought alot about Ulysses and "Ned" I think his name was...I'm not sure "Ned" had chums, but those mysteries were quite the steamy treat. Harry Enfield had chums. Couldn't beat the Fast Show, though. mn

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-22 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
me. Quite bland. I think Rimbaud's life was more interesting than his art. That's my Matineee d'ivresse ? Yes, but did you think that when you were a teenager? Exactly, he was a poetic prodigy. I really can't put my finger on it but the poems just didn't reach me on an

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-21 Thread BestPoet
In a message dated 04/21/2000 8:31:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: me. Quite bland. I think Rimbaud's life was more interesting than his art. That's my Matineee d'ivresse ? Yes, but did you think that when you were a teenager?

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-21 Thread Reed Altemus
Heiko Recktenwald wrote: me. Quite bland. I think Rimbaud's life was more interesting than his art. That's my Matineee d'ivresse ? Yeah, something like that. RA

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-21 Thread Reed Altemus
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 04/21/2000 8:31:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: me. Quite bland. I think Rimbaud's life was more interesting than his art. That's my Matineee d'ivresse ? Yes, but did you think that when you were a teenager? Exactly,

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-21 Thread ann klefstad
Reed Altemus wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 04/21/2000 8:31:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: me. Quite bland. I think Rimbaud's life was more interesting than his art. That's my Matineee d'ivresse ? Yes, but did you think that

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-20 Thread Reed Altemus
Terrance, Yes, artists are more spiritual. They've been given that duty. It makes them cease to function properly as people, which is exactly why they should be looked down upon or soundly thrashed by regular people for their friggin pretensions. Yeah, Andy Warhol said "Business is the best kind

FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-19 Thread Sol Nte
Heiko wrote: I would recommend the Al Hanson catalogue from Cologne, many "Bruce Naumans" there, was Alan Ginsberg Fluxus ?? And maybe the "Westkunst" catalogue, also Cologne. The Al Hanson catalogue is from 97 or 98 I think. The Alan Ginsberg contribution as an gateway to literature ? What are

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-19 Thread Rasgon
In a message dated 4/19/00 5:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To my knowledge Ginsberg was never part of Fluxus the only beat who was involved in Fluxus was Brion Gysin and I've found precious little documentation on that. I saw Alan Ginsberg in one of Nam June

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-19 Thread Don Boyd
I say AMEN, Sol! -Don Boyd Scott's question makes me think that we could profit from drawing up a list of people/movements associated with Fluxus. We could do this over time, next to the name of each person/movement would be a reference to the source which details their involvement in

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-19 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
To my knowledge Ginsberg was never part of Fluxus the only beat who was So was Nauman, so what ?

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-19 Thread Heiko Recktenwald
To my knowledge Ginsberg was never part of Fluxus the only beat who was So was Nauman, so what ? From this Al Hanson catalogue, I got the impression that the most important time of "fluxus" was the time before the coining of the label, immediately after the Cage class. So who was a "fluxus"

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-19 Thread Alex Cook
I believe Paik did a video called something like "Allen and allan's complaint", which interspersed inteviews with Ginsberg and his dad and groovy paik video effects. Alex From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-19 Thread Sol Nte
Heiko wrote: From this Al Hanson catalogue, I got the impression that the most important time of "fluxus" was the time before the coining of the label, immediately after the Cage class. So who was a "fluxus" member then ? And how important is this label etc.. ? Before Maciunas coined the term

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-19 Thread Reed Altemus
To my knowledge Ginsberg was never part of Fluxus the only beat who was involved in Fluxus was Brion Gysin and I've found precious little documentation on that. Indeed, and it's a shame too since what he did was so interesting and crucial (the cut up) Been trying to track down Wm. Burroughs

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-19 Thread Reed Altemus
Heiko There are examples of artists who were notable in Fluxus but also worked in a Pop style. Some Robert Watts work is very Pop and of course the work of Ray Johnson (who dissociated himself from Fluxus and everything else by doing "nothings") is considered very Pop. Also Claus Oldenberg who

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-19 Thread Reed Altemus
Heiko YES IT'S A PREJUDICE! At least on my part. I find most Pop art especially abrasive especially Warhol, Hamilton, Palioluzzi (or whatever the hell his name was). I had a long argument with another copy artist about it. I find its blatent lack of spirituality vapid and unrewarding. RA Heiko

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-19 Thread Patricia
Reed: The cut-ups with Gysin and Burroughs were pretty durn fluxian. Check this first site out - also the concordance of Naked Lunch on the same site. The second site has Burroughs reading Gysin. http://www.bigtable.com/ http://www.nigelparry.com/diary/pa/iraq.html one of my favorite

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus History (was Scott Rigby's question)

2000-04-19 Thread Reed Altemus
Patricia bigtable is wonderful. I will look at the other later (busy). Having just read Rimbuad's "The Drunken Boat" and "Season In Hell" recently I can say that I infinitely prefer the Burroughs cut-up to the original. It has such great energy. I was completely unimpressed with the "Drunken