I'm glad that he has finally come to appreciate OOP.
Cheers,
Alan
>
>From: Jakob Praher
>To: Alan Kay ; Fundamentals of New Computing
>
>Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [fonc] Ceres and Oberon
>
>
>Am 30.08.11 22:38, schrieb Alan Kay:
>Sur
> I think there two sides:
> a) no abstraction at all (assembly code) : complicated since simple things
> are huge
> b) over-use of abstraction : complicated since hard to see where the real
> stuff is going on
>
> Maybe it also has something to do with bottom up vs top down.
I think you need both
On 2011-08-30 Tue, at 02:23 PM, Jakob Praher wrote:
> a) no abstraction at all (assembly code) : complicated since simple things
> are huge
> b) over-use of abstraction : complicated since hard to see where the real
> stuff is going on
Likewise assembly abstracts over common gate arrangements a
I downloaded a Oberon system once and I couldnot understand how to do
anything.
I could see stuff on the screen but the way the windows worked got me quite
confused.
It's nice to know that people are still working on it and I will try to get
a book to learn more about it.
Karl
On Tue, Aug 30, 2
Am 30.08.11 22:38, schrieb Alan Kay:
> Sure. He was invited to spend a year in CSL in the mid 70s and decided
> to do an Alto like machine with an Alto-like UI and that ran Alto-like
> languages (turned out to be an odd combination of Mesa and Smalltalk).
Did you exchange some ideas? He really apre
Sure. He was invited to spend a year in CSL in the mid 70s and decided to do an
Alto like machine with an Alto-like UI and that ran Alto-like languages (turned
out to be an odd combination of Mesa and Smalltalk).
Cheers,
Alan
>
>From: Jakob Praher
>To: Funda
Dear Eduardo,
Thanks for sharing this. There is a great overlap between Alan's and
Niklaus Wirth's sentiments.
Very inspiring and to the point. Is anybody using Oberon currently as a
working environment?
@Alan: Can you remember the discussion with Niklaus from the PARC days?
Best,
Jakob
Am 30.
Am 30.08.11 21:46, schrieb Jakob Praher:
> Dear Eduardo,
>
> Thanks for sharing this. There is a great overlap between Alan's and
> Niklaus Wirth's sentiments.
> Very inspiring and to the point. Is anybody using Oberon currently as a
> working environment?
>
> @Alan: Can you remember the discussion
Presentation from earlier this year by Niklaus Wirth on Oberon:
http://www.multimedia.ethz.ch/conferences/2011/oberon/?doi=10.3930/ETHZ/AV-5879ee18-554a-4775-8292-3cf0293f5956&autostart=true
Towards the end Niklaus demos an actual Ceres workstation.
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