[fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-19 Thread Martin Baldan
Hello, I'm trying to compile the COLA distribution, just to know what it's like, but I'm getting errors. Here's what I did: [code] $ cat /etc/issue Ubuntu 11.10 \n \l $ svn checkout http://piumarta.com/svn2/idst/tags/idst-376 fonc-stable $ cd fonc-stable/ $ make [/code] I've posted the

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-25 Thread Martin Baldan
Michael, Thanks for your reply. I'm looking into it. Best, Martin ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-25 Thread Martin Baldan
: Isn't the cola basically irrelevant now? aren't they using maru instead? (or rather isn't maru the renamed version of coke?) Julian On 26/02/2012, at 2:52 AM, Martin Baldan wrote: Michael, Thanks for your reply. I'm looking into it. Best, Martin

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-26 Thread Martin Baldan
Guys, I find these off_topic comments (as in not strictly about my idst compilation problem) really interesting. Maybe I should start a new thread? Something like «how can a newbie start playing with this technology?». Thanks! ___ fonc mailing list

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-26 Thread Martin Baldan
Julian, Thanks, now I have a much better picture of the overall situation, although I still have a lot of reading to do. I already had read a couple of Frank progress reports, and some stuff about worlds, in the publications link you mention. So I thought, this sounds great, how can I try this?

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-27 Thread Martin Baldan
David, Thanks for the link. Indeed, now I see how to run eval with .l example files. There are also .k files, which I don't know how they differ from those, except that .k files are called with ./eval filename.k while .l files are called with ./eval repl.l filename.l where filename is the name

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-01 Thread Martin Baldan
Loup, I agree that the Web is a mess. The original sin was to assume that people would only want to connect to other computers in order to retrieve a limited set of static documents. I think the reason for this was that everyone sticked to the Unix security model, where everything you run has all

Re: [fonc] Can semantic programming eliminate the need for Problem-Oriented Language syntaxes?

2012-03-01 Thread Martin Baldan
Yes, namespaces provide a form of jargon, but that's clearly not enough. If it were, there wouldn't be so many programming languages. You can't use, say, Java imports to turn Java into Smalltalk, or Haskell or Nile. They have different syntax and different semantics. But in the end you describe

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-01 Thread Martin Baldan
Ah, thanks! :) On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM, David Barbour dmbarb...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.mail-archive.com/fonc@vpri.org/ ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-02 Thread Martin Baldan
Julian, I'm not sure I understand your proposal, but I do think what Google does is not something trivial, straightforward or easy to automate. I remember reading an article about Google's ranking strategy. IIRC, they use the patterns of mutual linking between websites. So far, so good. But then,

Re: [fonc] OT: Hypertext and the e-book

2012-03-08 Thread Martin Baldan
, etc. not to mention heavy thermal pollution of water sources. So there are definitely arguments on both sides of the ledger wrt eBooks. -- Mack On Mar 8, 2012, at 1:54 PM, BGB wrote: On 3/8/2012 12:34 PM, Max Orhai wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Martin Baldan martino

Re: [fonc] OT: Hypertext and the e-book

2012-03-09 Thread Martin Baldan
Thanks, interesting link. But I have some questions and comments: _ How much does an e-reader last? The article says: This means an iPad owner would need to offset 32.4 printed books during the iPad’s lifetime to break even in terms of the carbon footprint of reading those books. But as far

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-03-11 Thread Martin Baldan
I won't pretend I really know what I'm talking about, I'm just guessing here, but don't you think the requirement for independent and identically-distributed random variable data in Shannon's source coding theorem may not be applicable to pictures, sounds or frame sequences normally handled by

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-03-12 Thread Martin Baldan
that is a description of random data, which granted, doesn't apply to most (compressible) data. that wasn't really the point though. I thought the original point was that there's a clear-cut limit to how much redundancy can be eliminated from computing environments, and that thousand-fold

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-03-13 Thread Martin Baldan
this is possible, but it assumes, essentially, that one doesn't run into such a limit. if one gets to a point where every fundamental concept is only ever expressed once, and everything is built from preceding fundamental concepts, then this is a limit, short of dropping fundamental

[fonc] Where is the Moshi image?

2012-03-13 Thread Martin Baldan
I've been reading a few more documents, and it seems that the first step towards having something like Frank at home would be to get hold of a Moshi Squeak image. For instance, in Implementing DBJr with Worlds we can read: Try It Yourself! The following steps will recreate our demo. (Important:

Re: [fonc] OT? Polish syntax

2012-03-18 Thread Martin Baldan
Hi, shaun, sorry for the delay. Ambi is apparently a concatenative, stack-based language, similar to Cat. Those are interesting for their own reasons (and they also have their own problems) but it's not exactly what I'm thinking of. REBOL is much closer, but I would like to have more diversity

Re: [fonc] OT? Polish syntax

2012-03-18 Thread Martin Baldan
for your input. Best, -Martin On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 6:54 PM, BGB cr88...@gmail.com wrote: On 3/15/2012 9:21 AM, Martin Baldan wrote: I have a little off-topic question. Why are there so few programming languages with true Polish syntax? I mean, prefix notation, fixed arity, no parens (except