Re: [fonc] goals

2010-07-08 Thread Alex Abate Biral
People, I really think this isn't the right mailing list for this kind of
discussion.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM, chris mills chrmi...@gmail.com wrote:



 On 8 July 2010 17:40, BGB cr88...@hotmail.com wrote:


 however, morals, ... would seem to be degraded in industrialized nations
 (note the widespread prevelance of promiscuity, gays, gangs and violence,
 ...), so this may be a cost associated with industrialization (although
 there is not any obvious reason why one would lead to the other). this may
 also be a cost of urbanization though, I don't know.


 Whoa there, going off topic a bit I know, but I take offence to the
 suggestion that homosexuality is evidence of moral degradation. Indeed as an
 unashamed european lefty I would argue that discrimination against gays,
 minorities, etc is actually greater evidence of moral degradation and this
 is thankfully becoming less common in the industrialised world. And I would
 suggest you have a word with a Rwandan, Zimbabwean or Afghan (to name but a
 few) about whether gangs and violence are worst in the industrialised
 nations or non-industrialised. Or if you wish to argue against urbanisation
 I am pretty sure that my own country (england) had some pretty nasty
 violence before large scale urbanisation - civil wars, violence of
 landowners against those living on their land, persecution of
 catholics/protestants (depending on whether catholics or protestants were in
 charge at the time), burning folks at the stake for unsubstantiated
 accusations of witch craft, etc.
 A change in the prevailing moral code does not imply a degradation.
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Re: [fonc] goals

2010-07-08 Thread Alex Abate Biral
I understand (and I hope the other people in this list do so too), but I
really think that there should be a separate list for arguing about the
project's philosophy (which is as important, if not more, as this list).

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:20 PM, chris mills chrmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Agreed. Apologies folks, it was a knee jerk reaction to a statement I found
 offensive.

 ChrisM


 On 8 July 2010 19:17, Alex Abate Biral abatebi...@gmail.com wrote:

 People, I really think this isn't the right mailing list for this kind of
 discussion.

 On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM, chris mills chrmi...@gmail.com wrote:



 On 8 July 2010 17:40, BGB cr88...@hotmail.com wrote:


 however, morals, ... would seem to be degraded in industrialized nations
 (note the widespread prevelance of promiscuity, gays, gangs and violence,
 ...), so this may be a cost associated with industrialization (although
 there is not any obvious reason why one would lead to the other). this may
 also be a cost of urbanization though, I don't know.


 Whoa there, going off topic a bit I know, but I take offence to the
 suggestion that homosexuality is evidence of moral degradation. Indeed as an
 unashamed european lefty I would argue that discrimination against gays,
 minorities, etc is actually greater evidence of moral degradation and this
 is thankfully becoming less common in the industrialised world. And I would
 suggest you have a word with a Rwandan, Zimbabwean or Afghan (to name but a
 few) about whether gangs and violence are worst in the industrialised
 nations or non-industrialised. Or if you wish to argue against urbanisation
 I am pretty sure that my own country (england) had some pretty nasty
 violence before large scale urbanisation - civil wars, violence of
 landowners against those living on their land, persecution of
 catholics/protestants (depending on whether catholics or protestants were in
 charge at the time), burning folks at the stake for unsubstantiated
 accusations of witch craft, etc.
 A change in the prevailing moral code does not imply a degradation.
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