RE: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-06-05 Thread david hussman
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Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-06-04 Thread Julian Leviston
On 04/06/2011, at 6:59 AM, Michael Forster wrote: On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 3:35 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: [...] I'm assuming you didn't mean to be insulting. Yes, unstructured database is a bit of an oxymoron, and I intentionally used the words in this clever way, which

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-06-03 Thread Jonas Pfenniger (zimbatm)
, 2011 7:16:20 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models? Thanks Merik, I've read/watch the OOPSLA'97 keynote before, but hadn't seen the first video. I'm having problems with the first one(the talk at UIUC). Has anyone been able to watch past the first hour. I get up to the point

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-06-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On 31 May 2011 16:30, Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com wrote: There are lots of egregiously wrong things in the web design. Perhaps one of the simplest is that the browser folks have lacked the perspective to see that the browser is not like an application, but like an OS. i.e. what it really

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-06-03 Thread Michael Forster
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:58 PM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@laptop.org wrote: [...] The web is not *only* an OS.  It also provides the backing data for a very large unstructured database.  Google of course realize this, as their company rests on a search engine.  The semantic web folks have

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-06-03 Thread Benoît Fleury
Hi Scott, I tend to agree with you. The uniform interface of the web (reduced set of HTTP verbs, links...) is what make all these applications possible. We know what to do when we have the URL to the flickr image. But we could do so much more. A simple multi-media document definition language

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-06-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
2011/6/3 Benoît Fleury benoit.fle...@gmail.com: I tend to agree with you. The uniform interface of the web (reduced set of HTTP verbs, links...) is what make all these applications possible. We know what to do when we have the URL to the flickr image. But we could do so much more. I agree

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-05-31 Thread Cornelius Toole
Thanks Merik, I've read/watch the OOPSLA'97 keynote before, but hadn't seen the first video. I'm having problems with the first one(the talk at UIUC). Has anyone been able to watch past the first hour. I get up to the point where Alex speaks and it freezes. I've just recently read Roy Fielding's

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-05-31 Thread Alan Kay
From: Cornelius Toole cornelius.to...@gmail.com To: Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 7:16:20 AM Subject: Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models? Thanks Merik, I've read/watch the OOPSLA'97 keynote before, but hadn't seen the first video. I'm

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-05-31 Thread David Harris
, May 31, 2011 7:16:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models? Thanks Merik, I've read/watch the OOPSLA'97 keynote before, but hadn't seen the first video. I'm having problems with the first one(the talk at UIUC). Has anyone been able to watch past the first hour. I get

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-05-31 Thread Frederick Grose
to be able to do what they do best on the same system. Cheers, Alan -- *From:* David Harris dphar...@telus.net *To:* Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org *Sent:* Tue, May 31, 2011 8:47:39 AM *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-05-26 Thread Michael Forster
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Cornelius Toole cornelius.to...@gmail.com wrote: All, A criticism by Dr. Kay, has really stuck with me. I can't remember the specific criticism and where it's from, but I recall it being about the how wrong the web programming model is. I imagine he was

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-05-26 Thread Merik Voswinkel
Dr Alan Kay addressed the html design a number of times in his lectures and keynotes. Here are two: [1] Alan Kay, How Complex is Personal Computing?. Normal Considered Harmful. October 22, 2009, Computer Science department at UIUC.

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