[fonc] Ceres and Oberon

2011-08-30 Thread Eduardo Cavazos
Presentation from earlier this year by Niklaus Wirth on Oberon: http://www.multimedia.ethz.ch/conferences/2011/oberon/?doi=10.3930/ETHZ/AV-5879ee18-554a-4775-8292-3cf0293f5956autostart=true Towards the end Niklaus demos an actual Ceres workstation.

Re: [fonc] Ceres and Oberon

2011-08-30 Thread Jakob Praher
Am 30.08.11 21:46, schrieb Jakob Praher: Dear Eduardo, Thanks for sharing this. There is a great overlap between Alan's and Niklaus Wirth's sentiments. Very inspiring and to the point. Is anybody using Oberon currently as a working environment? @Alan: Can you remember the discussion with

Re: [fonc] Ceres and Oberon

2011-08-30 Thread Jakob Praher
*To:* Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:02 PM *Subject:* Re: [fonc] Ceres and Oberon Am 30.08.11 21:46, schrieb Jakob Praher: Dear Eduardo, Thanks for sharing this. There is a great overlap between Alan's

Re: [fonc] Ceres and Oberon

2011-08-30 Thread Steve Dekorte
On 2011-08-30 Tue, at 02:23 PM, Jakob Praher wrote: a) no abstraction at all (assembly code) : complicated since simple things are huge b) over-use of abstraction : complicated since hard to see where the real stuff is going on Likewise assembly abstracts over common gate arrangements and

Re: [fonc] Ceres and Oberon

2011-08-30 Thread Wesley Smith
I think there two sides: a) no abstraction at all (assembly code) : complicated since simple things are huge b) over-use of abstraction : complicated since hard to see where the real stuff is going on Maybe it also has something to do with bottom up vs top down. I think you need both. One

Re: [fonc] Ceres and Oberon

2011-08-30 Thread Alan Kay
I'm glad that he has finally come to appreciate OOP. Cheers, Alan From: Jakob Praher ja...@praher.info To: Alan Kay alan.n...@yahoo.com; Fundamentals of New Computing fonc@vpri.org Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [fonc] Ceres and Oberon