Re: FOTreeBuilder/ElementMapping change ideas

2003-06-17 Thread Peter B. West
Victor and fopdevs, See below... Victor Mote wrote: Peter B. West wrote: I'm pleased and surprised to hear that most of your design questions have been answered. What scope of design are you talking about? Ah, a good question. The scope of design on which I am currently working is: 1)

Re: startup refactoring

2003-06-17 Thread Jeremias Maerki
On 17.06.2003 01:38:14 Victor Mote wrote: I did a dry run of the startup refactoring (Session, Document, etc.) work yesterday this morning, and am satisfied that the concepts work. Here are some comments: 1. I am going to start committing changes, hopefully this evening. Much of the work

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Re: Nomination of Glen Mazza as committer

2003-06-17 Thread Peter B. West
Victor and fopdevs, See below... Victor Mote wrote: Peter B. West wrote: As to the necessary conditions for committer status, Shall we take that as read, darling?* The question remains, If a another developer happens along who 1) is persuaded that alt.design is worthwhile, and 2) sees the

Re: FOTreeBuilder/ElementMapping change ideas

2003-06-17 Thread Peter B. West
Victor Mote wrote: Glen Mazza wrote: No response on the below questions from any committer, and I'm concerned about the drop-off on the FOP-DEV mailing list over the past few weeks (at an extrapolated 170 emails on FOP-DEV for the month, this would be our lightest month since Dec. 1999!)

Re: FOTreeBuilder/ElementMapping change ideas

2003-06-17 Thread Peter B. West
Glen Mazza wrote: --- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was generally agreed some time ago that my work on properties should be integrated, for the simple reason that it is smaller and faster. Exactly! Now you're talking my language--smaller and faster--i.e., something

RE: Ascii file generation questions

2003-06-17 Thread Illiano, Vincent
Hi Art, Thanks for your response to my posting. I think a mode attribute to indicate whether to preserve text or format is a good idea. Formatting issues can often be cleaned up by post-processing on the generated file. I'm already doing this to remove the extra new line feeds that I've had to

Re: Ascii file generation questions

2003-06-17 Thread Clay Leeds
On 6/17/2003 6:37 AM, Illiano, Vincent wrote: Thanks for your response to my posting. I think a mode attribute to indicate whether to preserve text or format is a good idea. Either that, or add a '-ascii' attribute similar to '-txt' or 'pdf'... I realize this moves away from the 3 character

Eclipse Ant SerializeHyphPattern failure

2003-06-17 Thread Peter B. West
Trying to build HEAD using Ant under Eclipse, I get the following error when the hyphenation build is attempted: [serHyph] Fatal Error: source directory ./src/hyph for hyphenation files doesn't exist. [serHyph] BUILD FAILED: file:/home/pbw/workspace/fop-head/build.xml:453:

RE: startup refactoring

2003-06-17 Thread Victor Mote
Jeremias Maerki wrote: I'm a bit concerned that you call this startup refactoring where it's really API redesign in the end, I think. And that's an important topic where I would have expected you to ask for a go for it before starting on this. Generally, JustDoIt (tm) is a good thing but this

RE: FOTreeBuilder/ElementMapping change ideas

2003-06-17 Thread Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote: What's happened to the redesign? I have nothing to prove - you guys do. I'll just keep working, publishing design notes for anyone who is interested, and, when I get chunks of code working, I'll publish the comparisons. Shall we put them to the vote? Will a vote

alt-design merits (WAS: Nomination of Glen Mazza as committer)

2003-06-17 Thread Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote: Which modules? I'm not sure what you mean. The modularity of area processing? The Rec gives an utterly spurious view of this. It has been misleading developers since the drafts were first published, and giving the impression that things can be neatly modularised.

Re: alt-design merits (WAS: Nomination of Glen Mazza as committer)

2003-06-17 Thread Peter B. West
Victor Mote wrote: Peter B. West wrote: Which modules? I'm not sure what you mean. The modularity of area processing? The Rec gives an utterly spurious view of this. It has been misleading developers since the drafts were first published, and giving the impression that things can be neatly

cvs commit: xml-fop/src/java/org/apache/fop/tools/anttasks Fop.java

2003-06-17 Thread vmote
vmote 2003/06/17 09:35:58 Modified:src/java/org/apache/fop/apps AWTStarter.java CommandLineOptions.java CommandLineStarter.java Driver.java FOInputHandler.java InputHandler.java PrintStarter.java

alt-design merits

2003-06-17 Thread Peter B. West
Peter B. West wrote: If I have not answered your question, yell out. I am quite happy to keep on at this until you at least understand my thinking on this, even if you don't agree with it. But I will be keeping on with it tomorrow, as it is very late here. Peter -- Peter B. West

Re: startup refactoring

2003-06-17 Thread Jeremias Maerki
On 17.06.2003 17:10:19 Victor Mote wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: I'm a bit concerned that you call this startup refactoring where it's really API redesign in the end, I think. And that's an important topic where I would have expected you to ask for a go for it before starting on this.

Re: Eclipse Ant SerializeHyphPattern failure

2003-06-17 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Hmm, I've given up running Ant under Eclipse. Gave me too much of a headache and it works well for me outside of Eclipse. But I think the trick is to use ${basedir} instead of . in build.xml because Eclipse has to set the base directory so everything is ok. I have done some other changes locally

0.20.5 release

2003-06-17 Thread Christian Geisert
Ok, RC3a seems to be rather stable and the changes since then look non-critical to me. What about doing the release now (read: next days) (and maybe 0.20.5a later if we get more hyphenation patterns back) Or should we make the changes proposed by Jörg (improved memory usage with tables - see

RE: startup refactoring

2003-06-17 Thread Victor Mote
Victor Mote wrote: My humble apologies. What is the easiest way to roll it back? Is there an automated way? I rolled them back manually, and have committed the change. All should be back as it was before, except the affected files are two revisions higher. Victor Mote

Re: 0.20.5 release

2003-06-17 Thread Jeremias Maerki
On 17.06.2003 19:16:23 Christian Geisert wrote: RC3a seems to be rather stable and the changes since then look non-critical to me. What about doing the release now (read: next days) +1 (and maybe 0.20.5a later if we get more hyphenation patterns back) Don't count on that. :-( Or should we

cvs commit: xml-fop/src/documentation/content/xdocs fo.xml

2003-06-17 Thread chrisg
chrisg 2003/06/17 12:02:25 Modified:src/documentation/content/xdocs fo.xml Log: fixed typo Submitted by: John Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Revision ChangesPath 1.5 +1 -1 xml-fop/src/documentation/content/xdocs/fo.xml Index: fo.xml

cvs commit: xml-fop/src/documentation/content/xdocs compiling.xml

2003-06-17 Thread chrisg
chrisg 2003/06/17 12:04:05 Modified:src/documentation/content/xdocs compiling.xml Log: small clarification Revision ChangesPath 1.8 +2 -1 xml-fop/src/documentation/content/xdocs/compiling.xml Index: compiling.xml

cvs commit: xml-fop/src/documentation/content/xdocs news.xml relnotes.xml

2003-06-17 Thread chrisg
chrisg 2003/06/17 12:05:05 Modified:src/documentation/content/xdocs news.xml relnotes.xml Log: added news about 0.20.5rc3 Revision ChangesPath 1.11 +7 -0 xml-fop/src/documentation/content/xdocs/news.xml Index: news.xml

Re: startup refactoring

2003-06-17 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Jeremias Maerki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a bit unhappy that you placed/left Session in the apps package. I would like to see the apps package deprecated as a whole over time. I would like a cli package that only contains the stuff needed for the command line and I'd like to have

new Logo

2003-06-17 Thread Christian Geisert
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Re: 0.20.5 release

2003-06-17 Thread J.Pietschmann
Christian Geisert wrote: RC3a seems to be rather stable and the changes since then look non-critical to me. What about doing the release now (read: next days) (and maybe 0.20.5a later if we get more hyphenation patterns back) Or should we make the changes proposed by Jörg (improved memory usage

RE: startup refactoring

2003-06-17 Thread Victor Mote
Jeremias Maerki wrote: I'm a bit unhappy that you placed/left Session in the apps package. I would like to see the apps package deprecated as a whole over time. I would like a cli package that only contains the stuff needed for the command line and I'd like to have (wish, not a

RE: alt-design merits (WAS: Nomination of Glen Mazza as committer)

2003-06-17 Thread Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote: They can. They must. But then what happens to the idea that the FO tree can be processed and refined before the layout occurs? If you are The pieces that can be processed are. The pieces that cannot are deferred. tree can be processed and refined before the layout

Re: startup refactoring

2003-06-17 Thread J.Pietschmann
Victor Mote wrote: I'm not opposed to Avalon, but I might be if I understood it. Well, the good message about Avalon is that it can make development for much easier. The bad news is that if too much of Avalon is exposed in the APIs intended for common usage, it will drive many potential embedders

Re: startup refactoring

2003-06-17 Thread J.Pietschmann
Jeremias Maerki wrote: main FOP api in the org.apache.fop package. org.apache.fop.api package? J.Pietschmann - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: startup refactoring

2003-06-17 Thread Victor Mote
J.Pietschmann wrote: Well, static data often interferes badly with multithreading. We can use it in the CLI, but in the core which is intended to be possibly embedded in multithreaded long running server environments should it is best to avoid them. Even if you can arrange to synchronize

cvs commit: xml-fop/src/java/org/apache/fop/rtf/renderer RTFHandler.java

2003-06-17 Thread vmote
vmote 2003/06/17 19:10:32 Modified:src/java/org/apache/fop/rtf/renderer RTFHandler.java Log: Add support for text-align in paragraphs. Revision ChangesPath 1.5 +34 -2 xml-fop/src/java/org/apache/fop/rtf/renderer/RTFHandler.java Index: RTFHandler.java

Re: startup refactoring

2003-06-17 Thread Jeremias Maerki
No problem with that. On 17.06.2003 23:03:22 J.Pietschmann wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: main FOP api in the org.apache.fop package. org.apache.fop.api package? Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL