Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-19 Thread Chris Bowditch
Victor Mote wrote: Simon Pepping wrote: I sympathize with this goal as well. I realize that that is not quite in line with my reaction to Glen's recent patch. I agree with Chris and Glen that it is not currently a key goal for FOP. And since we do not have a strong proponent and architect of

RE: ANN: FOray

2004-05-19 Thread Victor Mote
Arnd Beißner wrote: Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 19.05.2004 00:12:41: I think you are talking about different modularisation contexts here. You might want to clarify this part of the discussion with Victor. I really thought it was about the pluggable layout that Victor

RE: ANN: FOray

2004-05-19 Thread Victor Mote
Chris Bowditch wrote: I dont recall modularizarion being opposed. It was more a case of Joerg saying it would be a challenge and no one else stepping up to support your proposals. When I left the project, there were 5 active developers, 1 for, 2 against, 2 neutral or silent. Joerg and I

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread Chris Bowditch
Victor Mote wrote: Dear FOP Developers: Hi Victor - welcome back. I was saddened by your decision to leave FOP. After considering a return to FOP development, and briefly discussing the pros and cons with those whom I consider to be the FOP development leaders, I have decided to partially fork FOP

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread arnd . beissner
Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18.05.2004 05:59:20: project. The situation with FOray is more complicated. I don't know whether it is Victor's intention to fork from HEAD and continue the development along the lines he has previously discussed, or to attempt to integrate HEAD

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread Chris Bowditch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some elaborations on this from my side. Please feel free to ignore it entirely. Thanks for speaking up. Just because you are not a committer, doesnt mean your opinion doesnt matter. This is open source way. The project is owned by everyone. snip/ 5. Time goes on, A' and

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread arnd . beissner
Chris Bowditch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18.05.2004 12:03:33: This is very true, I also have the same concerns, which is why I have set out some simple objectives that must be met before the redesign is ready for an initial release. See here:

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread Chris Bowditch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Bowditch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18.05.2004 12:03:33: This is very true, I also have the same concerns, which is why I have set out some simple objectives that must be met before the redesign is ready for an initial release. See here:

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2004-05-18 Thread arnd . beissner
Chris Bowditch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on: 18.05.2004 14:31:39: What I forgot to say is that I think we should do an initial release of FOP after doing just High priority TODO items. Ok, that changes things, of course. Yes, ugly output can be caused without border collapse, but yet

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread Simon Pepping
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 09:16:23AM +0100, Chris Bowditch wrote: Victor Mote wrote: Dear FOP Developers: Hi Victor - welcome back. I was saddened by your decision to leave FOP. After considering a return to FOP development, and briefly discussing the pros and cons with those whom I

RE: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread Victor Mote
Simon Pepping wrote: 2. modularize FOP's design I do understand why you have decided to start FOray. Although modularisation is a nice feature, I dont see it as a key goal for FOP. FOP's primary objective is to achieve a working layout. The main things needed to achieve this are

RE: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread arnd . beissner
Victor Mote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18.05.2004 22:12:45: The real question on modularity was never whether it should be a priority, but whether it hurt the project. On open-source projects, priorities are really set by each individual. You fix the thing that hurts the most at the moment,

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread Peter B. West
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my formatter, I have implemented modularized layout. From the start, I was sceptical, and I was indeed tempted several times to throw the concept out of the window because it got in the way, but in the end it was always possible to maintain the separation of concerns

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-17 Thread Peter B. West
N.B. CC'd to [EMAIL PROTECTED] follow-up to fop-dev Victor Mote wrote: Dear FOP Developers: After considering a return to FOP development, and briefly discussing the pros and cons with those whom I consider to be the FOP development leaders, I have decided to partially fork FOP into a sourceforge

RE: ANN: FOray

2004-05-17 Thread Victor Mote
Peter B. West wrote: Such a move would, obviously, have little or no impact on the main project. The situation with FOray is more complicated. I don't know whether it is Victor's intention to fork from HEAD and continue the development along the lines he has previously discussed, or to