RE: fo isolation complete (almost)

2003-09-04 Thread Victor Mote
Glen Mazza wrote: > --- Victor Mote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If I'm going to give up encapsulation or Separation > > of Concerns, or whatever > > you want to call it, what do I get in return? > > > > IMO you're not "giving up" SoC, you're gaining it: > > The > "manager<-->A<-->B<-->C<-->

RE: fo isolation complete (almost)

2003-09-02 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Victor Mote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If I'm going to give up encapsulation or Separation > of Concerns, or whatever > you want to call it, what do I get in return? > IMO you're not "giving up" SoC, you're gaining it: The "manager<-->A<-->B<-->C<-->D<-->customer model" keeps the busin

RE: fo isolation complete (almost)

2003-09-02 Thread Victor Mote
Glen Mazza wrote: > Not to belabor the point, but all of the above is > business logic, which can be supported by either > model. A computer program is deterministic--that > coded decision to send half to P and half to Q > (instead of B) based on various coded circumstances > can be placed within

RE: fo isolation complete (almost)

2003-09-02 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Victor Mote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Relations in controller-class approach: > > manager<-->A, manager<-->B, manager<-->C, > > manager<-->D, > > manager<-->customer > > > > In pipeline approach (theoretical, may not work in > > FOP's case): > > manager<-->A<-->B<-->C<-->D<-->customer

RE: fo isolation complete (almost)

2003-09-02 Thread Victor Mote
Glen Mazza wrote: > --- Victor Mote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Before starting down this path, I tried pretty hard > > to think of a use case > > where it is beneficial *not* to have the FO Tree > > isolated, and could not > > think of one. > > Well, when taken to 100%, the duplication of clas

Place committers on inactive list? (RE: fo isolation complete (almost))

2003-09-02 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Victor Mote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Conclusion: We have three active committers right > now, one positive, one > negative, one lukewarm, so I will abandon the > enforcement idea. > > Victor Mote > I don't see anyone modifying the new Apps/FO code anyway--for backwards compatibility,

RE: fo isolation complete (almost)

2003-09-02 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Victor Mote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Before starting down this path, I tried pretty hard > to think of a use case > where it is beneficial *not* to have the FO Tree > isolated, and could not > think of one. Well, when taken to 100%, the duplication of classes (FOPException) and functional

RE: fo isolation complete (almost)

2003-09-01 Thread Victor Mote
J.Pietschmann wrote: > Victor Mote wrote: > [interesting stuff] > > Package1 2 3a 3b 4 > > tools| | | x | | | > Should be 4 (apps) module, I think. > > > util | x | | | | | > Uh, I never liked that. > > > Here is my +1. > +0 > > > Now in the table above, the "comm

RE: fo isolation complete (almost)

2003-09-01 Thread Victor Mote
Glen Mazza wrote: > --- Victor Mote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So I propose first that > > keeping these five modules separate is a desirable > > thing, and should be > > enforced by our build process (I'll write the code). > > > > Here is my +1. > > > > I'm -1. The decision for changing FOP

Re: fo isolation complete (almost)

2003-09-01 Thread J.Pietschmann
Victor Mote wrote: [interesting stuff] Package1 2 3a 3b 4 tools| | | x | | | Should be 4 (apps) module, I think. util | x | | | | | Uh, I never liked that. Here is my +1. +0 Now in the table above, the "common" package does not exist, but represents five classes

Re: fo isolation complete (almost)

2003-09-01 Thread Glen Mazza
--- Victor Mote <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I propose first that > keeping these five modules separate is a desirable > thing, and should be > enforced by our build process (I'll write the code). > > Here is my +1. > I'm -1. The decision for changing FOP architecture is based on votes--not

RE: fo isolation complete (almost)

2003-09-01 Thread Victor Mote
Victor Mote wrote: > If we come to general agreement that subdiving FOP this way is good, I'll ^ Sorry, this word should be "subdividing". Victor Mote - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROT

fo isolation complete (almost)

2003-09-01 Thread Victor Mote
FOP Developers: The FO Tree isolation work is complete, with the exception of a few classes that I would like to move around, and for which I would welcome input. I started this for the purpose of making sure that layout and FO Tree were isolated, but I actually ended up isolating FO Tree from eve