Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-09 Thread Kees Nuyt
[Default] On Fri, 9 Jan 2015 10:59:30 -0800, jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but unfortunately the file is 404. % fetch https://twit.cachefly.net/FLOSS-026.ogg fetch: https://twit.cachefly.net/FLOSS-026.ogg: Not Found Try:

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-09 Thread jungle Boogie
Hi Luca, On 8 January 2015 at 23:18, Luca Ferrari fluca1...@infinito.it wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Scott Robison sc...@casaderobison.com wrote: Just watched the interview at http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/320 ... good job! I can't believe DRH didn't drop my name, but I'll forgive

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-09 Thread Joe Prostko
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:59 PM, jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Luca, On 8 January 2015 at 23:18, Luca Ferrari fluca1...@infinito.it wrote: Partly unrelated, and quite old, but there's another interesting interview about SQLite: http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/26 Yes,

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-09 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 07:13:17PM -0500, Ron W wrote: Does the check-out DB record the mtime and size of the files in the check-out? If so, you have at least some defence against false negatives. It does and to go back to the slow update, it will truncate that table and populate it from

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-09 Thread Stephan Beal
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de wrote: It does and to go back to the slow update, it will truncate that table and populate it from scratch. Currently, but i suspect we could do better if we'd use the new vtable to filter out files which have the

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Andreas Kupries
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de wrote: On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 03:21:07PM -0800, bch wrote: The mtime/stat(2) stress is expensive because it's a order(n) operation, but better than any other validation (checksumming) method -- is git not subject to

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Ron W
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:17 PM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: Indeed, the mtime (available directly) and size (available indirectly, via a join) are quick checks, but can one really be certain? (i'm largely playing Devil's Advocate here.) True. Would be worth knowing what git

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Stephan Beal
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:13 AM, Ron W ronw.m...@gmail.com wrote: Does the check-out DB record the mtime and size of the files in the check-out? If so, you have at least some defence against false negatives. Indeed, the mtime (available directly) and size (available indirectly, via a join) are

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Stephan Beal
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 12:56 AM, Andreas Kupries andre...@activestate.com wrote: Ok, is that something which can be fixed by rewriting key pieces of SQL and/or C ? There's no current way (other than the new vtable) to get the files for a given version via SQL, so that'd have to be done in

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Luca Ferrari
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Scott Robison sc...@casaderobison.com wrote: Just watched the interview at http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/320 ... good job! I can't believe DRH didn't drop my name, but I'll forgive him this time. {snicker} Partly unrelated, and quite old, but there's another

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Ron W
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 12:56 AM, Andreas Kupries andre...@activestate.com wrote: I.e. the command implementation would have to detect the unchanged files on update and skip them. Which would almost certainly once

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Richard Hipp
On 1/8/15, Baruch Burstein bmburst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Scott Robison sc...@casaderobison.com wrote: Just watched the interview at http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/320 ... good job! I can't believe DRH didn't drop my name, but I'll forgive him this time.

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Stephan Beal
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Stephan Beal sgb...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Scott Robison sc...@casaderobison.com wrote: Just watched the interview at http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/320 ... good job! FYI: the interview itself starts at minute 7. Be

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Baruch Burstein
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Scott Robison sc...@casaderobison.com wrote: Just watched the interview at http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/320 ... good job! I can't believe DRH didn't drop my name, but I'll forgive him this time. {snicker} Oh, and I'm always looking for a good text editor.

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread bch
On 1/8/15, Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote: On 1/8/15, Baruch Burstein bmburst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM, Scott Robison sc...@casaderobison.com wrote: Just watched the interview at http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/320 ... good job! I can't believe DRH didn't drop

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Jungle Boogie
Dear Richard, From: Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 07:52:41 -0500 To: Fossil SCM user's discussion Subject: Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview On 1/8/15, Baruch Burstein bmburst...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:55 AM

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Stephan Beal
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:34 PM, bch brad.har...@gmail.com wrote: Time to collect information on the weak/missing parts and either add them to the comments of FLOSS Weekly, get Leo to publish an addendum note, or publish an addendum on fossil-scm.org w/ link to original interview. @Richard:

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread sky5walk
Yes, always interesting to hear from Dr Hipp. 1. I had not considered fossil all push/pull. 2. I was hoping for a followup question to: Fossil does not perform well with very large repo's or histories 15 years. How is the performance hit quantified? 1day or 1hour / 1GB repo / commit?

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Stephan Beal
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:16 PM, sky5w...@gmail.com wrote: 2. I was hoping for a followup question to: Fossil does not perform well with very large repo's or histories 15 years. How is the performance hit quantified? 1day or 1hour / 1GB repo / commit? What is the limiting factor?

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Warren Young
On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:16 AM, sky5w...@gmail.com wrote: Fossil does not perform well with very large repo's or histories 15 years. How is the performance hit quantified? 1day or 1hour / 1GB repo / commit? Fossil does an O(N) scan over the entire DB as an extra integrity check, on the

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Richard Hipp
On 1/8/15, Andy Bradford amb-fos...@bradfords.org wrote: Thus said Richard Hipp on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 07:52:41 -0500: My text editor, written ~20 years ago in Tk3.6, is now uploaded to http://www.fossil-scm.org/e.txt - The server keeps closing the connection when trying to get this file.

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Andy Bradford
Thus said Richard Hipp on Thu, 08 Jan 2015 07:52:41 -0500: My text editor, written ~20 years ago in Tk3.6, is now uploaded to http://www.fossil-scm.org/e.txt - The server keeps closing the connection when trying to get this file. Andy -- TAI64 timestamp: 400054aea5d2

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Stephan Beal
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Warren Young w...@etr-usa.com wrote: Fossil does an O(N) scan over the entire DB as an extra integrity check, on the assumption that the filesystem may not be reliable. The N potentially has another multiplier factor depending on how many deltas it has to weed

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Baruch Burstein
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:34 PM, bch brad.har...@gmail.com wrote: Time to collect information on the weak/missing parts and either add them to the comments of FLOSS Weekly, get Leo to publish an addendum note, or publish an addendum on fossil-scm.org w/ link to original interview. I would be

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-08 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 07:29:53PM +0100, Stephan Beal wrote: The number of files is the primary factor, if i'm not sorely mistaken. Correct, but not in the way you expect :) For day to day operation, the most annoying part is fossil update, which rewrites the mtime table completely. If you have

Re: [fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-07 Thread Stephan Beal
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Scott Robison sc...@casaderobison.com wrote: Just watched the interview at http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/320 ... good job! FYI: the interview itself starts at minute 7. -- - stephan beal http://wanderinghorse.net/home/stephan/ http://gplus.to/sgbeal

[fossil-users] FLOSS interview

2015-01-07 Thread Scott Robison
Just watched the interview at http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/320 ... good job! I can't believe DRH didn't drop my name, but I'll forgive him this time. {snicker} Oh, and I'm always looking for a good text editor. Show us what you've got! :) -- Scott Robison