[Foundation-l] new list summaries

2008-12-14 Thread phoebe ayers
Well, Milos, I wouldn't worry about the lists going dead -- there was lots of activity this month so far :) Summaries: * Foundation-l: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/foundation-l-archives/2008_December_1-15 * Wiki-en-l: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS/wikiEN-l-archives/2008_12_1-15 * and sp

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Florence Devouard wrote: > Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > >> Florence Devouard wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello >>> >>> I did not mean to suggest we should collaborate with whatever >>> government. I meant that we could maybe learnt from what happenned and >>> think about scenarios for different

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Where you see tyranny I see beauty. A majority of the people acted (A real majority!) to speak through their ballots. That is the purest form of democracy, and that is how California works. We are not a rightocracy. If people have an issue with that, there are 49 other states to live in. The bes

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: October 2008

2008-12-14 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Sue, thanks for the report. I was already looking out for it! :) I'd like to join in with Florences question. But also have a small additional suggestion. Would it be nice to the chapters to have somewhere a list of all major software WMF is using? As a suggestion list? For example, GIMP for p

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees: October 2008

2008-12-14 Thread Florence Devouard
Sue Gardner wrote: > Hey folks, > > Here is the RTTB for October. November will follow soon :-) > > Enjoy! > Sue > > > Report to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees > > Covering: October 2008 > Prepared by:Sue Gardner, Executive Director, Wikimedia Foundation > Prepared for

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Florence Devouard
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > Florence Devouard wrote: >> Birgitte SB wrote: >> >>> I am strongly against collaborating with Westernish governments to help >>> make their censorship more effective. I personally don't think we should >>> help anyone make their censorship more effective. But i

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/15 Ray Saintonge : > Thomas Dalton wrote: >>> Yes, all states have laws. It is the content of those laws which >>> determines whether or not the state is a free and open society. One >>> may have a free and open society that is not an anarchy. >>> >> >> If the country has free and fair elec

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Ray Saintonge
Thomas Dalton wrote: >> Yes, all states have laws. It is the content of those laws which >> determines whether or not the state is a free and open society. One >> may have a free and open society that is not an anarchy. >> > > If the country has free and fair elections for its leaders then it

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Ray Saintonge
Todd Allen wrote: > Yes, all states have laws. It is the content of those laws which > determines whether or not the state is a free and open society. One > may have a free and open society that is not an anarchy. > > Prior-restraint censorship, or blocking people from seeing, > discussing, and thi

Re: [Foundation-l] board minutes

2008-12-14 Thread effe iets anders
Hi all, Yes, I know that in large organizations it is uncommon to approve minutes by email. I however see no fundamental obstacles myself, but I'd love to hear from them if they are there. Please note that "commonness" is no argument to me in this case. I understand how we got to the current situa

Re: [Foundation-l] board minutes

2008-12-14 Thread Ting Chen
The chair of the board, Michael, had posted the topics before the meeting and a short report about resolutions and issues discussed after the meeting. Ting Anthony wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:49 AM, effe iets anders > wrote: > > >> From Sue's report, I understood that the current prac

Re: [Foundation-l] board minutes

2008-12-14 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2008/12/14 Anthony : > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:49 AM, effe iets anders > > wrote: > > > >> From Sue's report, I understood that the current practice is to have > board > >> minutes approved only on the next board meeting. In practice tha

Re: [Foundation-l] board minutes

2008-12-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/14 Anthony : > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:49 AM, effe iets anders > wrote: > >> From Sue's report, I understood that the current practice is to have board >> minutes approved only on the next board meeting. In practice that means a >> delay of several months. In a quickly changing world as o

Re: [Foundation-l] board minutes

2008-12-14 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:49 AM, effe iets anders wrote: > From Sue's report, I understood that the current practice is to have board > minutes approved only on the next board meeting. In practice that means a > delay of several months. In a quickly changing world as ours, that is quite > a long t

Re: [Foundation-l] board minutes

2008-12-14 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Effe, I think this is a good suggestion. I will put it on the next meeting at the second weekend of the new year. Ting effe iets anders wrote: > >From Sue's report, I understood that the current practice is to have board > minutes approved only on the next board meeting. In practice that

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Judson Dunn wrote: > Make no mistake, the free dissemination of all human knowledge to > every person on the planet is a fight. The forces that would spread > ignorance as a means of control, and separation are always fighting > back. The idea that we should acquiesce in that fight, and censor our

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Thomas Dalton wrote: > It's a democratically elected government making the laws > and those laws don't prevent free and fair elections, so it isn't > undemocratic. (Of course, an semi-official and unaccountable agency > like the IWF enforcing the laws is not a great way to go about it.) Your adden

[Foundation-l] board minutes

2008-12-14 Thread effe iets anders
>From Sue's report, I understood that the current practice is to have board minutes approved only on the next board meeting. In practice that means a delay of several months. In a quickly changing world as ours, that is quite a long time span. Would it be possible to decrease this time span someho

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-14 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
> There may be some of that, but it is also true that a lot of experts > are actually unhelpful (perhaps we could do something to improve that, > though - a system for experts to review articles, rather than edit > them, might be good). When experts get involved in editing there are > often ownersh