Re: [Foundation-l] Verifiability, reliable sources, notability and original research

2009-02-09 Thread Wily D
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Patton 123 patton...@gmail.com wrote: I really think all of these are superflous to each other. Shouldn't they be merged into one policy, called Wikipedia:Verifiability? I mean, look at what we're saying here: - Wikipedia:Verifiability

Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing interim update

2009-02-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/2/9 Delirium delir...@hackish.org: Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/2/7 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: Anyone can take any idiot question to court. That doesn't count as a reason to assume that there must

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread Cary Bass
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jesse (Pathoschild) wrote: Hello, This is a summary of the steward elections and confirmations so far. The elections are open February 1 to 22, at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards/elections_2009 and

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread Robert Rohde
Looking at the summary and comments, I am struck by the fact that Mardetanha [1] is getting a significant number of oppose votes from people who believe it is fundamentally unsafe for a Steward to live in Iran. Including comments that the Iranian government might arrest and torture him for his

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread Al Tally
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: I dislike this argument very much... You were expecting good arguments? :) -- Alex (User:Majorly) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Al Tally majorly.w...@googlemail.comwrote: You were expecting good arguments? :) - On meta elections? Not me. -- Your donations keep Wikipedia running! Support the Wikimedia Foundation today: http://www.wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread geni
2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: I dislike this argument very much. People cannot choose that they are born in Iran or in China, or in the USA or Europe. Use such a trait that cannot be influence by a person against him is a kind of discrimination. True but it's based on reality rather

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/2/9 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: I dislike this argument very much. People cannot choose that they are born in Iran or in China, or in the USA or Europe. Use such a trait that cannot be influence by a person against him is a kind of discrimination.

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread Ziko van Dijk
If I understand it right, Wikimedia or other stewards can trace what a single steward is doing. Even if a dictatorship forces a local steward to do something, there is the danger that this becomes public. Ziko 2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de Robert Rohde wrote: Looking at the summary

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread geni
2009/2/9 Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com: If I understand it right, Wikimedia or other stewards can trace what a single steward is doing. Even if a dictatorship forces a local steward to do something, there is the danger that this becomes public. Ziko Thats the danger for a western

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread Ting Chen
geni schrieb: 2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: I dislike this argument very much. People cannot choose that they are born in Iran or in China, or in the USA or Europe. Use such a trait that cannot be influence by a person against him is a kind of discrimination. True but

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread Ting Chen
geni wrote: 2009/2/9 Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com: If I understand it right, Wikimedia or other stewards can trace what a single steward is doing. Even if a dictatorship forces a local steward to do something, there is the danger that this becomes public. Ziko Thats the

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread geni
2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: Surely is this a prejudice. Because there is no data that support such an assumption. In the eight years since the being of Wikipedia I don't know any such case happend on any Wikimedia project. Ting Prejudice? We know Iran's record on human rights and

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread oscar van dillen
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: geni wrote: If there's any sign that a steward had misused his previlege, for what ever reason, he would instantly lost that previlege. yes indeed. if i remember correctly it was in 2005 that i removed as a steward

Re: [Foundation-l] Steward elections: summary, week one

2009-02-09 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/2/9 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: I dislike this argument very much. People cannot choose that they are born in Iran or in China, or in the USA or Europe. Use such a trait that

Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing interim update

2009-02-09 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Anthony wrote: Surely there is a significant difference between an updated version of the same license, and a license which says the work can be relicensed under a different license. Define same license. It really seems to me you want to define a license as being different if it changes

Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing interim update

2009-02-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.comwrote: Anthony wrote: Surely there is a significant difference between an updated version of the same license, and a license which says the work can be relicensed under a different license. Define same license.

Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing interim update

2009-02-09 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Anthony wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.comwrote: Anthony wrote: Surely there is a significant difference between an updated version of the same license, and a license which says the work can be relicensed under a

Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing interim update

2009-02-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.comwrote: Anthony wrote: Surely there is a significant difference between an updated version of the same

Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing interim update

2009-02-09 Thread Anthony
The torturous logic can't disguise that the license has been GFDL from the git-go and is not departing from that license against the prime guardian of that license. That is the bare fact. Huh? See my above reply. See mine. I was speaking here with regard to the legal aspect

Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing interim update

2009-02-09 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: The torturous logic can't disguise that the license has been GFDL from the git-go and is not departing from that license against the prime guardian of that license. That is the bare fact. Huh? See my