Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-21 Thread effe iets anders
What about changing it every hour? Then you have sufficient randomness over time, and no flashy buttons. -- eia 2009/7/21 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org 2009/7/20 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com: Rotating them would seem like a more viable solution than randomised - We don't want the

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-21 Thread Robert Rohde
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Gregory Maxwellgmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:15 AM, effe iets anderseffeietsand...@gmail.com wrote: What about changing it every hour? Then you have sufficient randomness over time, and no flashy buttons. You still have the problem that

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Angela
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: A related question - I see there was a request to set up a new domain, strategy.wikimedia.org What would this new site be for?  New single-purpose wikis can flounder after distracting people with setting up basic

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Florence Devouard
Eugene Eric Kim wrote: Hi everybody, We're still in the process of getting up to speed, but I'm anxious to start interacting with more of you and garnering some feedback as we prepare to initiate this process. As a way to get to know each other and talk about the process, Philippe and I

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Michael Peel
The website link states 21st July - so I assume this evening... Mike On 21 Jul 2009, at 10:37, Florence Devouard wrote: Eugene Eric Kim wrote: Hi everybody, We're still in the process of getting up to speed, but I'm anxious to start interacting with more of you and garnering some feedback

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Good eyes, Sj. I have to agree - opening a new wiki for every single project is a terrible idea, as we've learned from quality.wikimedia.org. Please try to use Meta for this purpose. -Mike On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 02:19 -0400, Samuel Klein wrote: A related question - I see there was a request to

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Is it time to close the advisory board wiki like we just closed quality.wikimedia.org? Considering the state you describe, I rather think so (even qualitywiki wasn't so bad). Content could be moved to foundationwiki or Meta (or both) depending on what it is. -Mike On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 17:08

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Peter Gervai
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 17:43, Sage Rossragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hold up!  This is User:Jerry Avenaim, and he has contributed some of his low-resolution photographs, and even a higher-resolution one of Mark Marmon that is a Featured Picture on en-wiki. Thanks for the info, for I

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu wrote: Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: it to Commons, or make it insufficiently; 2) why they do not make it ot the articles. I tried to make the point in the recent thread on the purpose of Commons, but somehow it did not draw

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Samuel Klein
We should leave quality.wikimedia.org in place as an object lesson to future wikifounders. When 20 interested editors isn't enough... And don't forget the grants wiki. It was used briefly, and despite being private contains very little private info. It should also be moved to meta and

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: And in my opinion uploading a reduced resolution image, like 1-5 Megapixels is completely good and acceptable for our mission. These are already quite useful resolutions, while they still aren't fit for mainstream media.

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-21 Thread Birgitte SB
Donate Now Every donation helps us to keep free for everyone. Donate Now Keep Wikipedia free for everyone. Is no one else concerned by the use of the word free in the message options being tested. I wouldn't want these ambigous messages like these on the site no matter if they beat out the no

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-21 Thread Marc Riddell
on 7/21/09 10:33 AM, Birgitte SB at birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: Donate Now Every donation helps us to keep free for everyone. Donate Now Keep Wikipedia free for everyone. Is no one else concerned by the use of the word free in the message options being tested. I wouldn't want these

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Eugene Eric Kim
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: * Could you please help update the meta page on the process with your thoughts and ideas?   [[m:Strategic planning 2009]]  What's your current rough timeline for the coming 12 months? We'll start seeding Meta with what we

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Eugene Eric Kim ee...@blueoxen.comwrote: We'll start seeding Meta with what we know (and probably quite a bit of what we don't) today, and I'll look forward to reading other people's thoughts. That will be great. There's a tradeoff between starting with

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Sage Ross
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Peter Gervaigrin...@gmail.com wrote: So it seems just what I have guessed: the reporter misinterpreting someone. The slashdot summary includes the choice quotes that are a bit out of context, but in the original article it starts off the section with Avenaim by

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-21 Thread David Goodman
I agree with this, and said so at the original discussion--where I think the consensus was not to use that phrase. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Marc Riddellmichaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote: on 7/21/09 10:33 AM,

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread phoebe ayers
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Eugene Eric Kimee...@blueoxen.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: * Could you please help update the meta page on the process with your thoughts and ideas?   [[m:Strategic planning 2009]]  What's your current rough

Re: [Foundation-l] Hungarian Wikinews licence

2009-07-21 Thread Bence Damokos
Hi, I would like to give a little update on the licencing status of the Hungarian Wikinews as it has come up before on this list. As some of you may know by following this mailing list that the Hungarian Wikinews was set up -- probably by accident -- with the WMF licensing resolution for new

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread John at Darkstar
Small wikis need a lot more administrative work per articles than larger wikis. If there isn't any clear real reason then simply don't make a new wiki. John phoebe ayers wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Eugene Eric Kimee...@blueoxen.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Samuel

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi. True but not in the context of the WMF. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/21 wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk Peter Gervai wrote: Usually I do not get it why people choose NC licenses all the time while there's usually a low probability to actually _lose_ money by making it public.

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/21 wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk: If you have a personal use, want to illustrating an article or blog that is not Adsense rich, have an academic use, or a small scale fundraising non-profit fine take what you want. If on the other hand you are share cropping with Google Ads, using the

Re: [Foundation-l] Hungarian Wikinews licence

2009-07-21 Thread Huib!
Hello, A different question on the same topic, However I completely support the change to cc-by-sa-3.0, I'm wondering if its possible to change the cc-by-2.5 license into a cc-by-sa-3.0 license without having to deal with big problems, when I read the license I find this: This License

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread wiki-lists
David Gerard wrote: 2009/7/21 wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk: If you have a personal use, want to illustrating an article or blog that is not Adsense rich, have an academic use, or a small scale fundraising non-profit fine take what you want. If on the other hand you are share cropping with

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Ray Saintonge
wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: David Gerard wrote: Explaining this to professional content creators and media companies leads to exploding heads. Pointing out that giving it all away has made Wikipedia a top-ten website and must be doing all right from it isn't enough to convince

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Sage Ross
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: ...a properly viral licence will constrain the commercial publisher with the requirement that any use by him will also render his new context for that photograph just as available for free use as the photograph itself.

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread wiki-lists
Ray Saintonge wrote: wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: David Gerard wrote: Explaining this to professional content creators and media companies leads to exploding heads. Pointing out that giving it all away has made Wikipedia a top-ten website and must be doing all right from it isn't

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/7/21 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: We should leave quality.wikimedia.org in place as an object lesson to future wikifounders.  When 20 interested editors isn't enough... :-) I don't think it's comparable. The Quality Portal was an attempt to drive attention towards some existing

[Foundation-l] Canadian copyrights

2009-07-21 Thread Ray Saintonge
The Canadian government has asked for comments on copyright revision at http://copyright.econsultation.ca/ It will accept comments until September 13. Amazingly this mostly coincides with the time when most people interested in liberalized copyright laws are away touring Europe or planting

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:02 PM, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Ray Saintonge wrote: wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: David Gerard wrote: Explaining this to professional content creators and media companies leads to exploding heads. Pointing out that giving it all away has made

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Peter Gervai
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 21:05, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Peter Gervai wrote: Usually I do not get it why people choose NC licenses all the time while there's usually a low probability to actually _lose_ money by making it public. This may come as a shock to you but its not about

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't think it's comparable. The Quality Portal was an attempt to drive attention towards some existing technologies and initiatives - We have a simple and popular mechanism for creating portals. Why not ask the

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Eugene Eric Kim
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: Cool, and many thanks for sharing your calendar!  We should all do that.  I was wondering about versioning - a pity it's not supported.  A wiki list and bugzilla project should work as well.  Someone just needs to write the