Re: [Foundation-l] Mind-boggling (was: Wikipedia e-mail)

2010-03-29 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 7:14 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Magnus Manske wrote: Subject: Wikipedia e-mail To: Magnus Manske Dear active administrator, [nonsense] Why are you forwarding this? To alert people of this. I see others have done the same, so it's redundant by now.

[Foundation-l] Presentación de Nuevo Proyecto

2010-03-29 Thread Laura Gisselle Vargas Latorre
Les presentamos el nuevo Proyecto para Wikimedia: *WIKIGRAMAS* http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikigramas -- http://sites.google.com/site/cteachc/ LAURA GISSELLE VARGAS Coordinación Proyecto CteachC Formación Continuada Fundación Alberto Merani Cel. 310 3352514 6377800 Ext 117-123

[Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Lennart Guldbrandsson
Hello, After a long and tiring discussion on the Swedish Wikipedia Village Pump ( http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bybrunnen#Wikimedialoggor_i_artiklar), the logos of the Wikimedia Foundation projects have been deemed unfree (since they are copyrighted) and have since been removed from the

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wikihanni...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, After a long and tiring discussion on the Swedish Wikipedia Village Pump ( http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bybrunnen#Wikimedialoggor_i_artiklar), the logos of the Wikimedia Foundation projects

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread MZMcBride
Lennart Guldbrandsson wrote: Anyways, I just wanted to hear if anybody else have had encountered this topic and how the matter was resolved. Is Swedish Wikipedia the first language version to not include the Wikimedia Foundation's logos? Do any of you find this discussion strange? Or are

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 March 2010 22:42, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: This seems to me to be an extremely strange and unusual interpretation of the Foundation's policy on copyrighted images.  I am not aware of anyone else having brought this up on other Wikis. There are occasional attempts

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
Marcus Buck wrote: The Swedish Wikipedia decision is consequent and logical. Logos are copyrighted. Copyrighted material cannot be included. So no logos. It's plain and simple. The problem is not the reasonable decision of the Swedish Wikipedia, but the unreasonable decision of the Foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Robert Rohde
The related issues have been discussed on Commons, Enwiki, and Meta, at various times and places in the past. There is a legitimate concern that the inclusion of non-free logos is bad for reusers. On sites like Commons, which are expected to be exclusively free content, it also creates confusion

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Kwan Ting Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: Marcus Buck wrote: The Swedish Wikipedia decision is consequent and logical. Logos are copyrighted. Copyrighted material cannot be included. So no logos. It's plain and simple. The problem is not the reasonable decision

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Cary Bass
George Herbert wrote: On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Kwan Ting Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: Marcus Buck wrote: The Swedish Wikipedia decision is consequent and logical. Logos are copyrighted. Copyrighted material cannot be included. So no logos. It's plain and simple. The problem

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Przykuta
Or just use common sense that it's silly for a Wikimedia project to say it's not allowed to use a logo own by Wikimedia Foundation It is not common sense to depend on the relationship between the project and the hosting organisation when dealing with free content. downstream users of

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread MZMcBride
George Herbert wrote: If this was the English Wikipedia, the response would be somewhere between please do not be silly and Stop this or we will block you for disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point ( [[WP:DISRUPT]] ). Read this thread before making such claims. The English Wikipedia did have

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread MZMcBride
Cary Bass wrote: It's amazing that Swedish Wikipedia is fighting tooth and nail to get rid of the Wikipedia logo, while the English Wikipedia is having the same battle over keeping the Goatse.cx image (which is receiving 800 hits a day from people receiving shock image links). Links are

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:06 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Cary Bass wrote: It's amazing that Swedish Wikipedia is fighting tooth and nail to get rid of the Wikipedia logo, while the English Wikipedia is having the same battle over keeping the Goatse.cx image (which is receiving 800

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:03 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: George Herbert wrote: If this was the English Wikipedia, the response would be somewhere between please do not be silly and Stop this or we will block you for disrupting Wikipedia to prove a point ( [[WP:DISRUPT]] ). Read

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Mike Godwin
masti writes: It's crazy. sv.wiki still has unfree logo on every page :) It is unfree to protect wiki identity. This is exactly right. If we had no copyright or trademark restrictions on the Wikimedia logos and marks, it would be trivial for proprietary vendors to use the unrestricted logos

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread MZMcBride
Mike Godwin wrote: Darn it! A waste, I say! And I worked so hard to give you http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy. Huh, neat. I'm not sure there was an announcement about that, but it's nice to know it's there! MZMcBride ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Mike Godwin
Thanks, MZ! On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:28 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Mike Godwin wrote: Darn it! A waste, I say! And I worked so hard to give you http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy. Huh, neat. I'm not sure there was an announcement about that, but it's nice

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread The Cunctator
No, this is a profoundly stupid decision that has no logical sense. A free license is a copyright license. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: The Swedish Wikipedia decision is consequent and logical. Logos are copyrighted. Copyrighted material cannot be

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Marcus Buck
Mike Godwin hett schreven: My guess, admittedly based on nothing but anecdotal evidence, is that the Swedish Wikipedians who created this largely artificial and unnecessary dispute have not consulted independent trademark and copyright experts with regard to the rationale for their decision.

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Mike Godwin
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: Mike Godwin hett schreven: My guess, admittedly based on nothing but anecdotal evidence, is that the Swedish Wikipedians who created this largely artificial and unnecessary dispute have not consulted independent

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Mike Godwin
The Cunctator writes: No, this is a profoundly stupid decision that has no logical sense. A free license is a copyright license. The point bears repeating (over and over again, if necessary). The free licenses we use are in fact quite demanding with regard to downstream uses. And our

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Robert Rohde
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: I feel as if the many months of work I put into developing a new, clearer, liberal trademark policy for WMF has gone to waste! snip And now I really, really feel it was wasted! snip Darn it! A waste, I say! And I worked

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: The Cunctator writes: No, this is a profoundly stupid decision that has no logical sense. A free license is a copyright license. The point bears repeating (over and over again, if necessary).  The free licenses we

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-29 Thread Aphaia
Poor Mike. You could blog it on Wikimedia blog, even from now? Now we have the policy with a detailed FAQ though, still I guess I'll keep posting some questions - it doesn't mean the policy is poorly written, but just I'd love to see you around. /me ducks On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Mike