hello
should not web server logs (of requests) be published?
my native language is tatar and i would or i am going to write to
tatar wikipedia and say other people to write to it.
authors/managers/administrators of tatar texts are tatar people. for
that i think it is correct if tatar people can
Its againt the privacy poliicy to publish logs like that, and there is
really no good reason given why people should see al the ip
information for all visitors on a wiki
2010/11/28, dinar qorbanof qdi...@gmail.com:
hello
should not web server logs (of requests) be published?
my native
Дана Sunday 28 November 2010 09:35:40 dinar qorbanof написа:
another advantage of this is that people could create custom analysers
of the logs.
For now, see http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaTT.htm and
http://stats.grok.se/tt/201009/ .
Дана Sunday 28 November 2010 09:53:06 Huib Laurens написа:
Its againt the privacy poliicy to publish logs like that, and there is
It should be possible to anonymyse the logs sufficiently so that no private
information could be gained from them.
really no good reason given why people should
i do not think that ip address is so important private information,
many people browse through dynamic ip and NAT.
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Do you have a source that many people use dymamic ip's? Cuz I'm pretty sure
most of the regular visiters use one ip.
2010/11/28 dinar qorbanof qdi...@gmail.com
i do not think that ip address is so important private information,
many people browse through dynamic ip and NAT.
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The Wikimedia Foundation believes otherwise. Take a look at their
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=== IP and other technical information ===
When a visitor requests or reads a page, or sends
i know something about our local providers. tattelecom is adsl
provider, which is only one adsl provider in most villages of republic
of tatarstan, used to use nat, now it is switching to dynamic ip.
ip-addresses of gprs providers are probably like anonymouse. i do not
know much about other adsl
i have said as i know it is used to make some anonymousity of ip
address in russian providers, it is as i think, i think that
probably they intentionally use dynamic ip for some anonymousity,
partially just to connect many people through few ip-addresses. i have
said but that was because
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dinar qorbanof wrote:
i have said as i know it is used to make some anonymousity of ip
address in russian providers, it is as i think, i think that
probably they intentionally use dynamic ip for some
Hello,
should not web server logs (of requests) be published?
which intelligence service are you representing?
there are hourly page view statistics somewhere out there, so most of data is
already out, drilling in more would mean violating privacy.
and no, I don't see this as a per-project
If we are talking of what would ideally be the cases, we would want
people who are experts in specific fields and also expert in
writing about them and also expert in the specifics of working in
Wikipedia. We have a few of them. We should work equally in supporting
people coming to this from
2010/11/28 FastLizard4 fastliza...@gmail.com:
Here in the U.S., ISPs keep records of who used what IP address at what
time. So, let's say that I had a dynamic IP address that changed every
day. If I got arrested and the courts ordered my ISP to give them a
list of IP addresses I have used in
why my messages are not published in
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/ (in November 2010:
View by: [ Thread ] or [ Subject ] or [ Author ] or [ Date ]) ?
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Hi!
you have mentioned that provider can give logs to government, probably
also wikipedia must give its logs to government, if requested, is not
it?
Wikipedia cannot give logs to government, as it has none.
users cannot request in provider's official web forum to make dynamic
ip or nat?
I'm afraid our Tatar is correct in some senses and others in this thread
are in a failing or failed mode.
Each web server, of which the WMF has a few, collects details on the
behaviour of IPs, in logs. Those logs can be and probably have been requested
by
certain government officials, most
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Logs cannot be read by wikipedia owners or us government because they don't
exist.
There aren't any raw logs?
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Each web server, of which the WMF has a few,
2010/11/28 wjhon...@aol.com:
I'm still not clear why we would want to know the IP exactly for analytical
purposes. Some intrepid programmer could write a program which would
simply collect detailed analysis of a person's in-world behaviour and call
them
Bob992 instead of 13.42.204.192 or
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
I'm afraid our Tatar is correct in some senses and others in this thread
are in a failing or failed mode.
Each web server, of which the WMF has a few, collects details on the
behaviour of IPs, in logs. Those logs can be and probably
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:21 PM, dinar qorbanof qdi...@gmail.com wrote:
2010/11/28 wjhon...@aol.com:
I'm still not clear why we would want to know the IP exactly for
analytical
purposes. Some intrepid programmer could write a program which would
simply collect detailed analysis of a
:) ok then. thank you. i should ask first whether wikipedia collects logs.
2010/11/28 aude aude.w...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
I'm afraid our Tatar is correct in some senses and others in this thread
are in a failing or failed mode.
Each web
We should all be asking Is there really a problem here that would justify
creating a major exception to our privacy policies? -- because I haven't seen
one. Did anyone notice how some of the earlier posts were suggesting that it
was OK because people can anonymize themselves with a proxy or
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 3:41 PM, dinar qorbanof qdi...@gmail.com wrote:
:) ok then. thank you. i should ask first whether wikipedia collects logs.
2010/11/28 aude aude.w...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 2:30 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
I'm afraid our Tatar is correct in some senses
My belief is that this is not so. Checkuser logs are not the same thing as
IP logs.
Are you suggesting that should a court, three months-and-a-day after a
logged in user made a libelous edit, order the WMF to release the IP address of
that user, they would not be able to do so? I suggest
WJhonson:
The issue with the AOL Search Scandal is a red herring. People are not
going to be searching for their own phone number or Social Security
numbers
within Wikipedia. And even if someone searches for such a thing, there is
no
way to know that they are looking for details on
Repost with shortened url:
WJhonson:
The issue with the AOL Search Scandal is a red herring. People are
not going to be searching for their own phone number or Social
Security numbers within Wikipedia. And even if someone searches for
such a thing, there is no way to know that they are
In a message dated 11/28/2010 2:34:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
erikzac...@infodisiac.com writes:
Repost with shortened url:
WJhonson:
The issue with the AOL Search Scandal is a red herring. People are
not going to be searching for their own phone number or Social
Security numbers
WJhonson wrote:
Regardless of what occurred with the AOL details, that is a Red Herring
as I said, because such an event would not and could not occur with
Wikipedia details.
People regardless of whether or not they searched their own personal
details within the AOL search engine...
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:27 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
My belief is that this is not so. Checkuser logs are not the same thing as
IP logs.
You misbelieve. Listen to Aude. She knows what she's talking about.
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In a message dated 11/28/2010 3:36:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
russnel...@gmail.com writes:
You misbelieve. Listen to Aude. She knows what she's talking about.
I'd rather have Aude cite a reliable source.
People are not reliable sources. No living person is such an authority
that we
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 6:51 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 11/28/2010 3:36:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
russnel...@gmail.com writes:
You misbelieve. Listen to Aude. She knows what she's talking about.
I'd rather have Aude cite a reliable source.
The Wikimedia
Thank you for letting me know that YOU are not a reliable source of anything.
Aude, on the other hand, I trust to be reliable.
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 11/28/2010 3:36:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
russnel...@gmail.com writes:
You misbelieve. Listen to Aude. She knows what
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 6:51 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 11/28/2010 3:36:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
russnel...@gmail.com writes:
You misbelieve. Listen to Aude. She knows what she's talking about.
I'd rather have Aude cite a reliable source.
The Wikimedia Foundation
Chinese wikisource blocked on China, zh,wikisource.org is GFW keyword.
test http://www.google.com/search?q=zh.wikisource.org , reset, on
China, but wikisource.org and other lang wikisource can access on
China.
Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/
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How exactly do config files tell us what the WMF is retaining?
That the error logs are manually purged tells us that they are in fact
retaining details.
What I asked was an official statement of what and for how long.
The config files do not answer that question.
At any rate you didn't link to
Again Aude, this is your statement only. This is not an official
statement of what the policy is or isn't, nor what is or isn't done under any
policy which may or may not exist. You may be satisfied that you are right,
but
I would rather have a citable source. Humans are not citable
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 10:54 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Again Aude, this is your statement only. This is not an official
statement of what the policy is or isn't, nor what is or isn't done under any
policy which may or may not exist. You may be satisfied that you are right,
but
I would
In a message dated 11/28/2010 8:09:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
nawr...@gmail.com writes:
There's a joke in here somewhere, maybe about applying en.wp talkpage
style argumentation to real life, but maybe we can just call this a
dead issue and move on rather than argue in circles forever with
The policy is very explicit. It says that logs may be kept. If you know
anything about operational requirements, you will understand that that means
that logs are not routinely kept, but may be kept in order to diagnose
problems. It's not practical to be more explicit than that. Aude has already
In a message dated 11/28/2010 9:06:36 PM Pacific Standard Time,
russnel...@gmail.com writes:
The policy is very explicit. It says that logs may be kept. If you know
anything about operational requirements, you will understand that that
means
that logs are not routinely kept, but may be
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