Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-09 Thread Pascal Martin
Bonjour Could you change the url for wikiwix, just remove lang=fr, since currently the search results are french and not ml as expected. Cordialement Pascal Martin 06 13 89 77 32 02 32 40 23 69 - Original Message - From: Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com To: Wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-09 Thread Domas Mituzas
On Dec 8, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: Sounds like we need to have a notable search engine that includes only approved and allowed sources, that would be nice to have. Sounds like a great community project, Wiki Search! Domas ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Przykuta
Wikipedia does not have an Executive Director, or anything of the sort. That title suggests that Sue has the final say over content. I don't think it should be used anywhere. But, thanks for at least removing it from the 'smaller' projects. -- John Vandenberg we must raise $14 million

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Lodewijk
ouch, this is painful. Like many chapters probably I have been trying to explain to people the difference between Wikimedia and Wikipedia, and that Wikipedia has no such thing as a board of editors or even a board of directors, but that the Wikimedia Foundation has, etc - and now we are running a

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-09 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: Sounds like we need to have a notable search engine that includes only approved and allowed sources, that would be nice to have. Sounds like a great community project,

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-09 Thread Fred Bauder
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: Sounds like we need to have a notable search engine that includes only approved and allowed sources, that would be nice to have. Sounds like a great community project,

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-09 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2010, at 6:21 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: Sounds like we need to have a notable search engine that includes only approved and allowed

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 9 December 2010 10:00, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: ouch, this is painful. Like many chapters probably I have been trying to explain to people the difference between Wikimedia and Wikipedia, and that Wikipedia has no such thing as a board of editors or even a board of

[Foundation-l] the only site in the top X sites that doesn't sell you anything

2010-12-09 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Quite a lot of people know that Wikipedia is one of the 10 most popular sites in the world. Much less people notice that among the most popular Wikipedia is the only one that doesn't sell them anything: Google has Adwords, Microsoft sells its products and all the other websites have advertising

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Joe Corneli
I hope that it will be possible to make this small change from a p into an m. Yeah, it's not like it's even in a graphic, it's a text page -- easy fix. But I'd suggest adding Foundation in there too. As it stands presently it looks like the site was hacked.

Re: [Foundation-l] the only site in the top X sites that doesn't sell you anything

2010-12-09 Thread Domas Mituzas
Hi! Much less people notice that among the most popular Wikipedia is the only one that doesn't sell them anything We don't sell, we just hold reference material at ransom. Don't be too ecstatic, it comes with a cost. As for Alexa, it has the list polluted by multiple mega-company properties

Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation-L Mirrors

2010-12-09 Thread emijrp
I think that this list is re-posted in other newsgroup compilations websites. Also, the tar.gz archives sorted by month are available in the mailing list site. 2010/12/8 wjhon...@aol.com What is the perceived limitation(s) on mirroring this email list ? That is, making copies of it, on other

Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation-L Mirrors

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Coombe
Gmane being one example: http://gmane.org/find.php?list=wikimedia Lets you view as a newsgroup or an RSS feed too. Clever stuff. Pete / the wub On 9 December 2010 16:40, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: I think that this list is re-posted in other newsgroup compilations websites. Also, the

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Zack Exley
All - We're going to test Wikimedia against Wikipedia in the banner right now. Sorry for not starting with Wikimedia and testing pedia after, but we're trying to iterate as close to one variable at a time. Jimmy and the editor banners all said pedia. The fact is that most of our donors -- and

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Przykuta
The fact is that most of our donors -- and more of our potential donors -- don't know what Wikimedia Foundation is Use it on banners and they will be know, but not by Wikipedia directors przykuta ___ foundation-l mailing list

[Foundation-l] Fundraising more important than the Truth?

2010-12-09 Thread Huib Laurens
Hello, I don't like to send emails like this but I don't see a solution other than this. I understand that we need money to keep the Wikimedia Foundation running, and yes I support the fundraiser and I donated money. But do we want money because we told people other things than the truth I find

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread KIZU Naoko
I don't support this word choice: on twitter.com Japanese speaking reader mistook it as one of English Wikipedia admins someone who writes articles etc. Not only smaller projects but also on the Wikipedia, this factual error is better to correct I think. I heard it placed only on enwiki (in a

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-09 Thread Virgilio A. P. Machado
1) No real names will be disclosed on this list on account of the request made. 2) No action is asked or expected. These two personal commitments are important before answering an absolutely legitimate request for clarification: why [is] this issue of such [...] importance to the

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-09 Thread FT2
That won't help much. If I understand your email correctly, you want the information in order to protest on pt.wiki - either about your name being used or about being blocked for mentioning other users' names. There are problems with this. 1. The thread started by saying it is inaccurate to

[Foundation-l] Downtime error message turned into monolingual

2010-12-09 Thread KIZU Naoko
Hi, I've got an error message in trying to access Japanese Wikipedia. It seems long, but it's not my topic. IIRC the message from server was multilingualized years ago and we have offered the message with links to other lang same messages. The message itself seems not changed from the past, but

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 December 2010 18:54, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: While I understand the challenges in communicating effectively with a variety of audiences, I think the point that's been raised is that for a

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Fundraising more important than the Truth?

2010-12-09 Thread Huib Laurens
Hello, I don't like to send emails like this but I don't see a solution other than this. I understand that we need money to keep the Wikimedia Foundation running, and yes I support the fundraiser and I donated money. But do we want money because we told people other things than the truth I find

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Nathan
2010/12/9 Delphine Ménard notafi...@gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 December 2010 18:54, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: While I understand the challenges in communicating effectively with a variety of audiences, I think

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Austin Hair
2010/12/9 KIZU Naoko aph...@gmail.com: I don't support this word choice: on twitter.com Japanese speaking reader mistook it as one of English Wikipedia admins someone who writes articles etc. Not only smaller projects but also on the Wikipedia, this factual error is better to correct I

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-09 Thread Ryan Lomonaco
FT2, Please let it go - I talked with Virgilio off-list yesterday; it sounds like he didn't mean to stir up a storm, and would rather this thread die. Thanks, Ryan On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:23 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: That won't help much. If I understand your email correctly, you

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-09 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 12/9/2010 2:51:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com writes: yes it would be great. As i said, it could just include all pages listed as REF pages and that would allow people to review the results and find pages that should not belong. We also need

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Huib Laurens
Am I placed on moderation? all my previous emails seem to fail? 2010/12/9 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com 2010/12/9 KIZU Naoko aph...@gmail.com: I don't support this word choice: on twitter.com Japanese speaking reader mistook it as one of English Wikipedia admins someone who writes

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
2010/12/9 Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com: Am I placed on moderation? all my previous emails seem to fail? I've received this email... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Noein
You don't receive your own mails. We got two copies of your previous mail. You can check on the pipermail. [1] [1]: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/ On 09/12/2010 19:39, Huib Laurens wrote: Am I placed on moderation? all my previous emails seem to fail? 2010/12/9 Austin

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Andrew Gray
On 9 December 2010 18:54, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: it into the story for fundraising and other communications. We need to both make sense and be accurate. If it's accurate and doesn't make sense, it probably won't be effective, but also just because something makes sense to

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Austin Hair
2010/12/9 Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com: Am I placed on moderation? all my previous emails seem to fail? You are definitely not on moderation, and I don't see any record of you ever being on moderation. If you have any doubts about whether a message of yours has gone through, you can contact

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Huib Laurens
I switched the option on to get notification when my emails get to the list... But that seems to stopped working today? 2010/12/9 Noein prono...@gmail.com You don't receive your own mails. We got two copies of your previous mail. You can check on the pipermail. [1] [1]:

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread K. Peachey
I'm not going to debate the whole wording thing, but I will point out, It is a crime to receive property/goods under false pretenses in Australia which is what advertising a person with the incorrect job title would be. Don't forget it isn't only the foundation handling the donations this year,

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 9 December 2010 23:03, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I'm not going to debate the whole wording thing, but I will point out, It is a crime to receive property/goods under false pretenses in Australia which is what advertising a person with the incorrect job title would be. Don't

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-09 Thread FT2
Sure (and in reply to your off-list mail, it's fine, easily done). The questions seemed genuine and seeking a genuine explanation. If it's been covered elsewhere that's good enough. FT2 On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Ryan Lomonaco wiki.ral...@gmail.comwrote: FT2, Please let it go - I

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Michael Snow
On 12/9/2010 3:03 PM, K. Peachey wrote: I'm not going to debate the whole wording thing, but I will point out, It is a crime to receive property/goods under false pretenses in Australia which is what advertising a person with the incorrect job title would be. Don't forget it isn't only the

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:03 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: I'm not going to debate the whole wording thing, but I will point out, It is a crime to receive property/goods under false pretenses in Australia which is what advertising a person with the incorrect job title would be.

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread MZMcBride
Michael Snow wrote: On 12/9/2010 3:03 PM, K. Peachey wrote: I'm not going to debate the whole wording thing, but I will point out, It is a crime to receive property/goods under false pretenses in Australia which is what advertising a person with the incorrect job title would be. Don't forget

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:19 AM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: This is an important point to raise regarding cultural and legal differences in regards to advertising, however the banner in question is not appearing in Australia. The Australian chapter is managing the banners and

Re: [Foundation-l] Downtime error message turned into monolingual

2010-12-09 Thread MZMcBride
KIZU Naoko wrote: I've got an error message in trying to access Japanese Wikipedia. It seems long, but it's not my topic. IIRC the message from server was multilingualized years ago and we have offered the message with links to other lang same messages. The message itself seems not changed

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Michael Snow
On 12/9/2010 3:28 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Calling Jimmy Wikipedia founder was already incredibly close to crossing the line. Calling Sue Wikipedia Executive Director clearly crosses the line. From reading your posts today, I believe you agree. While I didn't and wouldn't raise the issue of

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread MZMcBride
Michael Snow wrote: On 12/9/2010 3:28 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Calling Jimmy Wikipedia founder was already incredibly close to crossing the line. Calling Sue Wikipedia Executive Director clearly crosses the line. From reading your posts today, I believe you agree. While I didn't and wouldn't

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Zack Exley
OK, everyone -- I learned my lesson! Thanks for teaching it. I was looking at it from the perspective of the reader who has never heard the word Wikimedia. There are millions and millions of them. Luckily they simply think we are misspelling Wikipedia, and are donating anyways. We will continue

[Foundation-l] Wiki[p/m]edia

2010-12-09 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi everyone - First, let me thank you all for your concern about the recent banners. Michael Snow is right - we tested some things, thinking that we could manage to raise the yield slightly by deliberately attempting to clarify (not to confuse) for people that the Wikimedia Foundation was

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki[p/m]edia

2010-12-09 Thread MZMcBride
Philippe Beaudette wrote: With that said, the banners are being changed right now - they'll say Wikimedia. Thank you. :-) I think you and the fundraising team this year have done a much, much better job engaging and including the community than any past Wikimedia fundraiser. This definitely

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread David Gerard
2010/12/9 Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com: I switched the option on to get notification when my emails get to the list... But that seems to stopped working today? Gmail is helpful and won't show you a copy of any email you sent. And there's no way to get it to. - d.

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Michael Snow
On 12/9/2010 4:12 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Michael Snow wrote: Assuming good faith, I think it crossed a line as far as accuracy goes, but being misguided or inartful hardly makes it sleazy. Assuming good faith is what Newyorkbrad did when he suggested that it was simply a typo. There is no

Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content

2010-12-09 Thread Andreas Kolbe
--- On Mon, 6/12/10, Mariano Cecowski marianocecow...@yahoo.com.ar wrote: Date: Monday, 6 December, 2010, 19:40 I'm sorry we are putting more energy into what should be banned from commons instead of searching for mechanisms to protect those readers who would prefer to stay away from such

Re: [Foundation-l] Downtime error message turned into monolingual

2010-12-09 Thread Peter Coombe
On 9 December 2010 23:50, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: KIZU Naoko wrote: I've got an error message in trying to access Japanese Wikipedia. It seems long, but it's not my topic. IIRC the message from server was multilingualized years ago and we have offered the message with links to

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki[p/m]edia

2010-12-09 Thread Stephen Bain
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: When we get letters saying things like I'd donate, but only to Wikipedia, not to Wikimedia, it spells out for us that it's possible we could attract more people with the institution of Wikipedia than the

Re: [Foundation-l] Downtime error message turned into monolingual

2010-12-09 Thread MZMcBride
Peter Coombe wrote: The 404 error you linked to (http://ja.wikipedia.org/w/amp) could certainly be improved, though as far as I know it's always been like that. Absurd really, how many users who've mistyped an address are going to want a database dump? There's a bug about improving the 404

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread K. Peachey
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: No, K. Peachey avoided citing actions by not debating the whole wording thing that would establish what the action entailed, offering instead a generic description of criminal law that would encourage people, in

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki[p/m]edia

2010-12-09 Thread Nathan
Thanks Zack and Phillippe, I think you guys made the right call. This is exactly how Foundation action and community feedback should work. I think we all appreciate your quick response to our concerns. I disagree with any implication that your decision was in some way immoral; your perspectives

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki[p/m]edia

2010-12-09 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the explanation. It seems some people assumed bad faith before, when really we can see it was just a good-natured attempt to deceive these people as to where their money would go. Maybe you're trying to be

Re: [Foundation-l] Downtime error message turned into monolingual

2010-12-09 Thread KIZU Naoko
Hi, On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10 December 2010 00:47, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: On 9 December 2010 23:50, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: KIZU Naoko wrote: I've got an error message in trying to access Japanese

Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki[p/m]edia

2010-12-09 Thread KIZU Naoko
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone - First, let me thank you all for your concern about the recent banners. Michael Snow is right - we tested some things, thinking that we could manage to raise the yield slightly by deliberately

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread KIZU Naoko
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: OK, everyone -- I learned my lesson! Thanks for teaching it. I was looking at it from the perspective of the reader who has never heard the word Wikimedia. There are millions and millions of them. Luckily they simply

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread theo10011
I didn't like the assumption of bad faith earlier on part of the team, the fundraising team [1] as you would note, consists of Community members from different locations and backgrounds. I am from India, Moushirah is from Egypt, Dan and James are community members who also work remotely, all of us

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 12:35 AM, theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't like the assumption of bad faith earlier on part of the team, the fundraising team [1] as you would note, consists of Community members from different locations and backgrounds. I am from India, Moushirah is from

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-09 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 6:02 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/9/2010 2:51:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com writes: yes it would be great. As i said, it could just include all pages listed as REF pages and that would allow people to review the

Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content

2010-12-09 Thread Mariano Cecowski
--- El jue 9-dic-10, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com escribió: De: Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] 2010 Wikimedia Study of Controversial Content Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: jueves, 9 de diciembre de 2010, 22:46

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-09 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Zack Exley zex...@wikimedia.org wrote: OK, everyone -- I learned my lesson! Thanks for teaching it. They say you are not really part of the tech team until you have broken the site. I guess you are not really part of the Wikimedia community until you've got a