Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Julius Redzinski julius.redzin...@hotmail.de wrote: On such a decision the Board should have before making any decision researched really what raeders expect and want and this with empathy for different regions and the understanding that germany maybe has

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Fae
If the members of de.wikipedia.org are *unaffected by explicit sexual images* because there are already ahead as they practice bondage or BDSM, it doesn't mean that all person of the world are so evolute in sexual matters. I find these sorts of comments personally offensive, likely to disrupt

[Foundation-l] WMF is planning to install a video player that harms creator attribution and ties between Wikipedia and Commons

2011-10-11 Thread Teofilo
I have learnt this morning that the Timedmedia extension is not yet installed on wikimedia sites, but its meant to replace the existing player (1). As I was uploading videos, and needed some specific tools, I happened the other day to use the mwEmbed gadget on Wikimedia Commons which seems to be

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content - Commons searches

2011-10-11 Thread MZMcBride
Andreas Kolbe wrote: If I search Commons for electric toothbrushes, the second search result is an image of a woman masturbating with an electric toothbrush: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Searchsearch=electric+

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF is planning to install a video player that harms creator attribution and ties between Wikipedia and Commons

2011-10-11 Thread Mono mium
If the video player actually worked for anything, it would be a problem. But it doesn't and therefore it isn't. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:10 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote: I assume that you, before sending this email to a mailing list that is not exactly technical in nature,

[Foundation-l] David Cameron's opt-in filter, Parentport (UK)

2011-10-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
In the news today: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8818827/Parents-to-be-urged-to-report-sexual-imagery-aimed-at-children.html The Prime Minister will unveil Parentport, an online complaints site targeted at mothers and fathers who have concerns about their children being exposed to

[Foundation-l] Board accountability - was Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread WereSpielChequers
-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:17:21 -0700 From: Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] David Cameron's opt-in filter, Parentport (UK)

2011-10-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Also in today's Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/11/david-cameron-porn-filter-isps?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487 ISPs moved quickly to insist that the provisions will only apply to people taking out completely new contracts, who will be offered the choice of a connection with

Re: [Foundation-l] David Cameron's opt-in filter, Parentport (UK)

2011-10-11 Thread Thomas Morton
On 11 October 2011 15:08, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: Also in today's Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/11/david-cameron-porn-filter-isps?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487 ISPs moved quickly to insist that the provisions will only apply to people taking out completely

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 07:19:00AM +0530, Theo10011 wrote: ...,a viable alternative to not relying blindly on the categorization system, would be implementing a new image reviewer flag on en.wp and maybe in commons. This method would create a list of reviewed images that can be considered

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Fae
...,a viable alternative to not relying blindly on the categorization system, would be implementing a new image reviewer flag on en.wp and maybe in commons. This method would create a list of reviewed images that can be considered objectionable, that could be filtered/black-listed. We could

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Kim Bruning
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 09:53:55PM -0400, Risker wrote: Kim, I am getting the impression you are being deliberately obtuse. No, I'm being exhaustive. I wanted to ensure that there is no hair of a possibility that I might have missed a good faith avenue. (I wouldn't have asked this question

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
From: Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk We could also just delete them, unless someone actually uses them in a sensible way in an article. :-) sincerely,        Kim Bruning Not on Commons; being objectionable to some viewers and not being currently in use does not make a potentially educational

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content - Commons searches

2011-10-11 Thread David Levy
Andreas Kolbe wrote: If I search Commons for electric toothbrushes, the second search result is an image of a woman masturbating with an electric toothbrush:

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
David, You asked for a reply to your earlier questions.  As has been mentioned numerous times, deeming certain subjects (and not others) potentially objectionable is inherently subjective and non-neutral. Unveiled women, pork consumption, miscegenation and homosexuality are considered

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Milos Rancic
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 18:19, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: If we provide a filter, we have to be pragmatic, and restrict its application to media that significant demographics really might want to filter. That should be designed well and maintained, too. I am really frustrated by

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Ilario Valdelli
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: If the members of de.wikipedia.org are *unaffected by explicit sexual images* because there are already ahead as they practice bondage or BDSM, it doesn't mean that all person of the world are so evolute in sexual matters. I

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread David Levy
Andreas Kolbe wrote: If we provide a filter, we have to be pragmatic, and restrict its application to media that significant demographics really might want to filter. Define significant demographics. Do you have a numerical cut-off point in mind (below which we're to convey you're a small

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 11.10.2011 17:42, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: From: Faef...@wikimedia.org.uk We could also just delete them, unless someone actually uses them in a sensible way in an article. :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning Not on Commons; being objectionable to some viewers and not being currently in

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Etienne Beaule
MediaWiki serves more than the Wikimedia Foundation too. ~~Ebe123 On 11-10-11 4:42 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 11.10.2011 17:42, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: From: Faef...@wikimedia.org.uk We could also just delete them, unless someone actually uses them in a

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF is planning to install a video player that harms creator attribution and ties between Wikipedia and Commons

2011-10-11 Thread Gustavo Carrancio
Here, in Spain, we are talking about Wikidocumentals. I.e, documentals about wikipedia articles. It will be easy: upload video cuts, and then all the GFDL work will fall upon production work, you know: voice, dubbing, visual effects... mashup... It's the same way to make a BBC documental about

[Foundation-l] Image filtering without undermining the category system

2011-10-11 Thread WereSpielChequers
OK in a spirit of compromise I have designed an Image filter which should meet most of the needs that people have expressed and resolve most of the objections that I'm aware of. Just as importantly it should actually work. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/filter

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Fae f...@wikimedia.org.uk We could also just delete them, unless someone actually uses them in a sensible way in an article. :-) sincerely,        Kim Bruning Not on Commons; being objectionable to some viewers

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
From: Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com Someone on Meta has pointed out that Commons seems to list sexual image results for search terms like cucumber, electric toothbrushes or pearl necklace way higher than a corresponding Google search. See

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com Someone on Meta has pointed out that Commons seems to list sexual image results for search terms like cucumber, electric toothbrushes or pearl necklace way higher

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content - Commons searches

2011-10-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
What you are all missing here is that commons is a service site, not a repository for the public to go into without knowing it caters to different cultures than their own. Period. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filtering without undermining the category system

2011-10-11 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 09:55:46PM +0100, WereSpielChequers wrote: OK in a spirit of compromise I have designed an Image filter which should meet most of the needs that people have expressed and resolve most of the objections that I'm aware of. Just as importantly it should actually work.

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
From: David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com Andreas Kolbe wrote: If we provide a filter, we have to be pragmatic, and restrict its application to media that significant demographics really might want to filter. Define significant demographics.  Do you have a numerical cut-off point in

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filtering without undermining the category system

2011-10-11 Thread Thomas Morton
On 11 October 2011 21:51, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 09:55:46PM +0100, WereSpielChequers wrote: OK in a spirit of compromise I have designed an Image filter which should meet most of the needs that people have expressed and resolve most of the

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Thomas Morton
By modern day standards the image is more comical than titillating *by our Finnish standards* --- but would be highly suspect in the US, atleast if the deletion debate for that image at commons is to be given credence to... It is a horrendously useless illustration of Pedophilia (from the

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filtering without undermining the category system

2011-10-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:55 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: OK in a spirit of compromise I have designed an Image filter which should meet most of the needs that people have expressed and resolve most of the objections that I'm aware of. Just as importantly it should

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: By modern day standards the image is more comical than titillating *by our Finnish standards* --- but would be highly suspect in the US, atleast if the deletion debate for that image at commons is to be given

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content - Commons searches

2011-10-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
From: Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, 11 October 2011, 22:40 Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content - Commons searches What you are all missing here is that

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filtering without undermining the category system

2011-10-11 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:20:15PM +0100, Thomas Morton wrote: On 11 October 2011 21:51, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 09:55:46PM +0100, WereSpielChequers wrote: OK in a spirit of compromise I have designed an Image filter which should meet most of

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread David Levy
Andreas Kolbe wrote: I would use indicators like the number and intensity of complaints received. For profit-making organizations seeking to maximize revenues by catering to majorities, this is a sensible approach. For most WMF projects, conversely, neutrality is a fundamental, non-negotiable

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Andreas Kolbe
From: David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com Andreas Kolbe wrote: I would use indicators like the number and intensity of complaints received.  For profit-making organizations seeking to maximize revenues by  catering to majorities, this is a sensible approach.  For most WMF  projects, conversely,

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* David Gerard wrote: Not sure the blurring system would do the job for a workplace. At a distance, the blurred penis still looks exactly like a penis ... There are many alternatives to a blur effect. A much simpler effect would be a Small Images option that shrinks all images to icon size. The

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Bob the Wikipedian
Call be dumb, but is there a denomination of Islam that is disallowed from looking at images of Muhammed? Bob On 10/11/2011 5:17 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: We need to look at mainstream issues (including Muhammad images). ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Bob the Wikipedian
Zooming out may work for individuals like you, but for folks like me, it's actually a distraction, and I try to see what the tiny picture is, staring at it until it makes sense. Yay for ADHD:-\ Bob On 10/11/2011 8:17 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: * David Gerard wrote: Not sure the blurring

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Bob the Wikipedian
Ideally, this would be as transparent as possible, so that should not be an issue if all goes well. Bob On 10/11/2011 8:17 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: I'd wonder how they feel about adding some notice like Seeing this image makes some people feel bad to the image caption for all images that

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Bob the Wikipedian wrote: Zooming out may work for individuals like you, but for folks like me, it's actually a distraction, and I try to see what the tiny picture is, staring at it until it makes sense. Yay for ADHD:-\ Zooming out is something that works for me pretty much everywhere

Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

2011-10-11 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: * Bob the Wikipedian wrote: Zooming out may work for individuals like you, but for folks like me, it's actually a distraction, and I try to see what the tiny picture is, staring at it until it makes sense. Yay for