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The image filter may not be a good solution, but too much of the
response involves saying we're fine, we're neutral, we don't need to
do anything and leaving
these issues without yelling censorship!
any time someone tries to discuss the problem.
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times as many entries, present contentious
debates fairly, and reflect brand new scholarly research, all while
being edited and overseen primarily by volunteers.
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an
option in preferences to provide an edit link actually on the page for
section 0. Preferences Gadgets, and the first entry under
Appearance.
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getting agreement from
the community! I'd love to see this part of the study done (and make a
small bet as to what the results might be...), but it's going to be a
hard sell. If you're planning to get this running in the summer, you
might want to start the negotiations quite soon...
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the Flickr live upload
feed. Over about 20 pages of 20 images each, I found eight
wrongly-rotated shots, or eight in 400 ~~ 2%. It's not Commons, of
course, but it is indicative.
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it registered-user-only we need to
work out how this interacts with account creation - and IP blocks. It
clearly will cause problems if people *want* to turn on the filter, go
to create an account, and discover one of our famed cryptic block
messages telling them they can't...
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just to label them for display [or not] in articles.
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no *less* clunky than
requiring people to sign in (and the associated
forgetting-to-sign-out...)
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* about sex or violence without wanting to look at
pictures of it - a system which allows someone to choose to read the
article without looking at the pictures thus makes more sense in
comparison.
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with more
than two cleanup tags, etc. :-)
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be demand, there might not, we just can't tell
from the available evidence.
(To steal David's analogy, it's a bit like saying that unicorns can't
be trained, as there are no trained unicorns. Of course, there are no
unicorns at all, and their trainability is moot...)
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a problem when the issue is whether it's appropriate to
*include an image at all*. If one position says we should include an
image and the other position says we shouldn't, then whichever way we
decide, we've taken sides. We can't really be neutral in a yes-or-no
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to inclusive global neutrality win out over the real state
of affairs? It's the great big unexamined assumption in our
discussions...
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argument. It doesn't mean we *should* have the image filter, but it
does mean we need to think some more about the reasons for or against
it.
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definitely be worth
distinguishing between links in article text and links from
projectspace / inline templates. Technically more difficult to figure
out, of course, but that's why we call them researchers ;-)
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it on for it to work.)
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heading of where are the
major third-party reusers that anyone actually cares about? - the
non-existence of a commercial filtered version is less of a surprise
when we consider the dearth of commercial packaged versions at all...
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can solve (and it's perhaps not one we should be
trying to solve) but it does mean we shouldn't draw any firm
conclusions from the absence of any specific types of project -
there's an absence of *all* sorts of projects, good and bad ones
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. The
status quo is that every reader, in every context, gets given the one
particular image selection that a group of Wikipedians have decided is
appropriate for them to have, on a take-it-or-leave-it basis...
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there :-)
My Arabic is basically nonexistent, so while I can tell there *are*
some past discussions about it, I've no idea what they were saying.
Anyone?
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tangential here, I think; if we accept a
pseudonymous account as good enough to release the content under CC
licenses to begin with, then all you'd need for relicensing would be
for those same accounts to agree to it.
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on twitter] and
[small WP projects needing users].)
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punished. Are there some particularly egregious bits of past behaviour
I've missed?
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an old copy of the Dictionary of Australian Biography.
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. For meaningful data on any particular class of tickets,
you'd probably have to sample.
Apologies for the length, but hopefully that's of some use!
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to the
correct queue; info-en-q@ will put it directly there. (There are other
shortcut addresses for vandalism reports, copyright issues, etc,
working in the same way).
The main benefit of using info@ is that it's easier for people to
remember once we've given it to them!
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research, there's no reason we couldn't start
doing so.
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WMF uses for internal
donations management.
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there was *some* kind of close
option.
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, not
universally loved - will hopefully mean the next donation campaign
annoys fewer people. That doesn't seem too unreasonable, to me.
(The actual job description did make my eyes roll a bit, though.
Storyteller, oh dear.)
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being created, or is it page creation being approximately
equal to the rate of deleting old pages?
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categorised or project-tagged.
(I have no idea how easy this would be to implement...)
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widely quoted of about 10-15% of editors being female
... well, most people seem to have nodded and said yes, that seems
about right. It's not widely dissimilar to earlier estimates, and it
fits with a lot of anecdotal observations of (and from!) the community
over time.
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.
(An elegant trick would be to have the share function for images
resolve to the Commons page rather than the local one, where
appropriate.)
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this since mid-2006:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Ag%C3%AAncia_Brasilaction=history
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it is an edit, and edits should
always be allowed, we could also argue that no pages should be
semi-protected (people are stopped from editing them without
usernames) or IPs blocked (those people are stopped from editing
without usernames). Createpage is just a version of the same idea...
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, without changing the text -
like WMAU have, here.
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seen seen cases where someone's heard editor of
Wikipedia and got drastically the wrong impression...)
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there are many
more than 32 sites that clone Wikipedia, so this trick is also becoming
useless.
As noted above you can use -wikipedia; alternately, keywords common on
mirrors, such as -mediawiki, -gfdl could be worth trying.
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We were not consulted, and are currently fully examining this. It is
not official or endorsed by us. [Erik]
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another file with hit counts and no more.
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online marketing consultancy services that
vaguely promise this sort of thing - but I wonder what will come of it
in practice.
(I have written articles on companies. I never thought to *invoice*
them for it...)
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All you'd need to do is produce a nice wrapper for it...
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users by a week or so later - the middle of
the month. If we were going to see a surge from that, we'd have had it
appearing in late September, but that month doesn't seem to be
particularly unusual.
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rather than just
leaving a blank void.)
The most recent of the editorial articles in the HE section to have
any comments at *all*, good or bad, is from 29th September - there
have been ten posted since then. I suspect the site operators are just
not very responsive at approving them...
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, but they are emphatically *not* primary
goals in themselves.
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attribution problems with the PDF generators?
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This helps emphasise the distinction between languages and
subsets-of-languages, and also means we can be more fluid about the
simple/for children presentation on a project-by-project basis.
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, eg, Espanol into Spanish (t), with the (t) link going
to a Google translate link for the target page.
I haven't used it much, but it's a useful tool to have.
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http://pdc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrikaa?useskin=monobook
- dropping the solid boxes from the left-hand column means that it
doesn't look so dominant when expanded.
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default in the same way the interaction section is...
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- doesn't mean that we ought to feel
we can or should start adjudicating on the reasonableness of any
not-entirely-clear-cut case that turns up, such as this one...
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mid-2007 - - - - - $1m
end-2007 - - - - - $2.3m - - - - - $0.21m - - - - - 11 mos.
mid-2008 - - - - - $3m - - - - - ($0.32m) - - - - - 9 mos.
end-2008 - - - - - $6.7m - - - - - $0.43m - - - - - 15 mos.
mid-2009
in reserve seesaws.
I don't know what's considered a normal margin to have - I'd presume
around a year or so is considered quite good - but hopefully someone
more au fait with standard practice in the field could enlighten us.
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to seperate that out from the rest, and
then tackle the problem of whether any editing people have done to
them gives rise to new copyrights...
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you'll find that traffic to Commons increases
proportionately with traffic to Spanish/Portuguese Wikipedia usage.
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finesse past that stage.
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. [[November 2]], then chose a random picture from that.
First image is probably your best bet - the odds are reasonably high
it'll be a picture, or something else representative, in the
conventional top-right slot. Certainly better odds than random
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increasing at a fairly linear
$1m/year, but unlike WMF their income is plateauing - they'll be
exceeding their income this year at that rate!
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a couple of estimates on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Internet_usage
though they look a little dated.
Alternatively, users by country is reasonably well estimated, I think,
and you could try estimating based on languages from that.
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in at the new wiki, or visit it whilst remaining
logged in.
(This latter part, especially with people looking at article
interwikis, will probably account for quite an upsurge in account
creation post-SUL...)
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like a recipe for
unintentionally annoying a lot of people releasing material under the
license.
I wonder, perhaps, if the best thing the next generation of the -nc-
licenses could include would be a long list of worked examples...
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desired outcome for the creator, though.
One of the benefits of CC is to encourage worry-free distribution by
helping creators be entirely up-front about what they're happy to have
happen with their material, but this sort of ambiguity seems to bring
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problems. I haven't checked each
one, but all the recent ones look solved, so I think we're safe - at
least, safe from the problems we know about, which is always the
important caveat!
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etc.
People will make bad decisions, estimates, projections, guesses,
conclusions sometimes; it happens. We spot them the second time
around, once we've realised they're wrong, fix them, and move on.
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One other false positive here: edit warring where one or both sides is
using undo/rollback. You'll get the impression of a lot of vandalism
without there necessarily being any.
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article.
I'm not sure how we'd go ahead with the second one, but it's an
interesting thing to think about.
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Turkish
editions of wikinews, wikiquote, wikisource, and wikitionary, as well
as wikipedia.
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at a
stretch, rotating them so as to ensure they don't regularly go up at
the same time (of the day or of the week) and so that they get roughly
equal coverage.
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I discovered yesterday that:
enwp.org/Article
redirects to
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article
Sadly, it doesn't work with revision IDs, but it's a start!
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This is a marvellous idea, and presumably a lot of the code for it is
already in existence (what with ref etc). It'd also solve the issue
with people wanting to templatise content such as infoboxes in order
to reduce the clutter on a specific page.
Can anyone see any obvious downsides?
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) is not very effectively protected in the US, but I
could be wrong. (3) is quite a common provision, but (4) takes it
further than usual.
(I really like the spirit of nr. 11, but I can see how it's not really
applicable here...)
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are not
eligible but the comment by the author is eligible for copyright. Am I
right? Thanks.
I'd extend comment to be the words they've actually written, but
that's about it. They can't stop you paraphrasing or rewriting it.
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be
implemented - would it be too impractical to just regularly run a
script to check those for things like Google Analytics links, and
remove them with a polite note when found?
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had 3019
votes, which also suggests the turnout this time was remarkable.
Do we have a rough estimate of qualifying voters who didn't vote?
17000 is pretty good, but it occurs to me I have no idea how large the
editing community really is!
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moved wholesale, servers and all, to
California, so we were in the ninth circuit jurisdiction...
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a sheaf of business cards, with Got a problem? info @
wikimedia.org in nice clear bold lettering, the puzzle-globe at one
edge; the other side just WIKIPEDIA writ large. Distribute them to
everyone who does PRish stuff...
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turned on a report this function, since
that'd heavily be skewed towards vandalism.
Enabling both, together, would be excellent. But I think making it
something for after we get the thrice-blesséd FlaggedRevs might be the
most efficient approach.
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...oh, well, another on for the to-do pile :-)
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is (apparently) derived from two defined simplified versions
of English which were deliberately designed - have there been projects
to do the same for, say, French or Spanish, or would we have to do the
heavy lifting ourselves?
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2009/2/19 Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com:
I still hold the crown on Wikipedia-l. Whatever happened to that list,
anyways?
Most of the people wanting to have abtruse cross-project theological
debates just took it to foundation-l :-)
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are appropriate.
Or, even simpler (for the user), a plugin where the author selects a
word or phrase and the system generates a Wikipedia link for it.
Should be relatively effective for nouns and names, at least...
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is available.
I note that MediaWiki already has a user_real_name field - could we
use it for this sort of purpose? Would this be technically practical?
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of NOCREDIT magic word,
perhaps. This would neatly sidestep the worry of people not wanting
credited downstream...
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in the process - perhaps only an optional one - where
someone takes a Wikipedia article and tries to shake out some authors.
Figuring out how to make that work efficiently and cleanly and
helpfully is a good thing in and of itself, whatever conclusion the
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... oh, wait. How is this a special
case?
The CC switch, when and if it happens, will be complex enough without
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anyone arguing to keep it because they want to run off a poster...
(and to a degree this is rendered moot by that helpful lowest useful
resolution requirement of the unfree material rules)
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other. It is, after all, *exactly the same license*...
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), Citizendium contributors Alan White, John Smith and Betty
Green (2007-2009), and anonymous contributors.
It's not exactly smooth, but it is comprehensible, and it does seem
helpful to name the project to give some context to the names.
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authors who make nontrivial contributions result
would be like? This might be a useful bit of data...
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via WikiBlame, but it
certainly seems a little more meaningful than just dumping every name
which appears in the article history. (Admittedly, that has the
advantage of not accidentally excluding anyone...)
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