Sorry, I did not mean you, I should have deleted the previous text.
Ziko
2011/9/4 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
Ziko van Dijk, 04/09/2011 14:26:
I would like to know: Is the introduction of WMF people on national
boards a serious idea, or is it just a whim, a piece of loud thinking,
Florence Devouard, 02/09/2011 21:11:
You seek to remove perceived conflicts of interest, even if that means
creating real conflicts of interest ?
Because there would be conflict of interest and rather BIG ONES.
We are facing rather severe challenges right now. Let's say it straight,
Hello,
I would like to know: Is the introduction of WMF people on national
boards a serious idea, or is it just a whim, a piece of loud thinking,
and does not need to be discussed further?
Kind regards
Ziko
2011/9/4 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com:
Florence Devouard, 02/09/2011
Ziko van Dijk, 04/09/2011 14:26:
I would like to know: Is the introduction of WMF people on national
boards a serious idea, or is it just a whim, a piece of loud thinking,
and does not need to be discussed further?
If you're quoting me on purpose, I'd say it belongs to the realms of
@lists.wikimedia.org
Reply-To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF
On 09/02/11 1:02 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
Meanwhile, on the subject of mutual board appointments between chapters
and the foundation, I figured I'd chime
On 09/02/11 12:25 PM, Theo10011 wrote:
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Jimmy Walesjwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote:
On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority
for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are
On 09/02/11 12:11 PM, Florence Devouard wrote:
...
We are facing rather severe challenges right now. Let's say it straight,
Wikimedia Foundation is simply trying to absorb/control the chapters as
is they were simple bureaux of the WMF locally and chapters kind of
disagree with WMF idea that
On 3 September 2011 10:51, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
The organization itself is not the objective.
+1
What things could WMF do to make itself obsolete as quickly as
possible, in as many individual areas as possible?
- d.
___
On 3 September 2011 11:03, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 September 2011 10:51, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
The organization itself is not the objective.
+1
What things could WMF do to make itself obsolete as quickly as
possible, in as many individual areas as
On 3 September 2011 11:14, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 September 2011 11:03, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 September 2011 10:51, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
The organization itself is not the objective.
+1
What things could WMF do to make
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:51, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
On 09/02/11 12:11 PM, Florence Devouard wrote:
...
We are facing rather severe challenges right now. Let's say it straight,
Wikimedia Foundation is simply trying to absorb/control the chapters as
is they were simple
On 09/03/11 4:06 AM, Milos Rancic wrote:
Just a bit of different perspective: I could make a list of chapters,
besides WM RS, which would be happy to get a representative from WMF
(but from any other bigger chapter, as well) in their Board, if that
means that the representative would really
On 3 September 2011 19:22, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
On 09/03/11 4:06 AM, Milos Rancic wrote:
Just a bit of different perspective: I could make a list of chapters,
besides WM RS, which would be happy to get a representative from WMF
(but from any other bigger chapter, as
On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority
for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are
controlled by Brazilians. At the same time I don't think there is any
value to having a WMF appointee on your
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote:
On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority
for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are
controlled by Brazilians. At the same
Le jeudi 01 septembre 2011 à 16:37 +0100, Jimmy Wales a écrit :
I had never thought of this before, but now that it has been mentioned,
I just wanted to disagree, quite respectfully because Ray is awesome of
course, and say that I think it is a very interesting idea to have a WMF
appointee
: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF
On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority
for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are
controlled by Brazilians. At the same time I don't think
On 9/1/11 5:37 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote:
On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority
for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are
controlled by Brazilians. At the same time I don't think there is any
On 9/1/11 5:37 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote:
On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority
for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are
controlled by Brazilians. At the same time I don't think there is any
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote:
On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority
for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are
controlled by Brazilians. At the
On 2 September 2011 20:11, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote:
I can not help commenting a bit more on the matter of conflict of
interest. I think I can probably say more on the matter than most
people here.
If I could +1 this message I would.
Our bylaws were changed a few years
On 9/2/2011 12:11 PM, Florence Devouard wrote:
On 9/1/11 5:37 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote:
On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority
for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities in Brazil are
controlled by Brazilians.
On 9/2/11 10:02 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
On 9/2/2011 12:11 PM, Florence Devouard wrote:
On 9/1/11 5:37 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote:
On 8/28/11 1:00 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote:
I think that developing such a legal entity should be a high priority
for Brazilian Wikipedians to ensure that Wiki activities
*If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical approach
might be to designate observers who are not given authority but merely sit
in with a chapter board. That's assuming that the chapter board level is one
of the places where it makes the most sense to add a communication
On 02.09.2011 22:02, Michael Snow wrote:
For those reading whose memories may not be quite long enough - I assume
Florence is referring to Michael Davis here, not to me. The conflict of
interest policy was adopted in 2006, before I was on the board. I just
thought it would help to make the
On 9/2/2011 1:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
*If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical approach
might be to designate observers who are not given authority but merely sit
in with a chapter board. That's assuming that the chapter board level is one
of the places where it makes
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote:
On 9/2/2011 1:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
*If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical
approach
might be to designate observers who are not given authority but merely
sit
in with a chapter board.
And Jan-Bart and Kul knows about European and Asia laws? Jean-Bart and Kul
can go to General Assemblies? Jean Bart speak the 12-15 languages spoken in
European Chapters (i will not even mention how many languages Kul would need
to know to be the Asia representant)? Jan-Bart and Kul would decide
Errata: When i say Kul, i mean Barry. Sorry.
_
*Béria Lima*
http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
fazer
Message: 7
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 22:43:35 +0200
From: Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia Brasil + WMF
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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On 09/02/11 1:59 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
On 9/2/2011 1:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
*If the point is to improve communication, then a more practical approach
might be to designate observers who are not given authority but merely sit
in with a chapter board. That's assuming that the chapter board
On 09/02/11 5:28 PM, Craig Franklin wrote:
Just to add to what Illario has said, I think it's important to remember
that most (if not all) chapters are run via a democratic system where the
entire board or committee is elected by its members. Appointing WMF members
to boards would obviously
On 09/02/11 1:02 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
Meanwhile, on the subject of mutual board appointments between chapters
and the foundation, I figured I'd chime in as I helped push the idea for
chapters to select foundation board members in the first place. For one
thing, there's a very different
For your information
The Brazilian community is offering WMF a letter of agreement, which was
collaboratively written.
After the Brazilian participants shared their experience on what
happened in Haifa, the whole community had one week to discuss and edit
the content, which is now available on
Uh did I miss something?
2. Wikimedia Foundation will set up an office in Brazil in order to
stimulate the development of projects to increase the penetration of
Wikipedia in Brazil. This process was already launched with the
search for locations, hiring lawyers and the search for a
On 27 August 2011 20:20, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote:
Uh did I miss something?
2. Wikimedia Foundation will set up an office in Brazil in order to
stimulate the development of projects to increase the penetration of
Wikipedia in Brazil. This process was already launched with
Yes, Dan
It was announced in WMF July Report [1] (last point in the Brazil
Catalyst section).
[1]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Report,_July_2011#Brazil_Catalyst
Castelo
[[:m:User:Castelobranco]]
Wikimedia Brasil
Em 27/08/2011 16:20, Dan Rosenthal escreveu:
Uh did I
Ah, ok this is a recent thing then.
Dan Rosenthal
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 10:49 PM, CasteloBranco
michelcastelobra...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, Dan
It was announced in WMF July Report [1] (last point in the Brazil
Catalyst section).
[1]
On 27 August 2011 20:52, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, ok this is a recent thing then.
Not really. It's mentioned on page 9 of the strategic plan:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c0/WMF_StrategicPlan2011_spreads.pdf
The mention in the July report is just saying
I find this all very sad. Who are the Brazilian volunteers, and how
effectively do they represent the views of those Brazilians who are
truly interested in Wikipedia in their country. The simple fact is that
an agreement entered into by an ad hoc group binds no-one except the
individuals that
The letter was written collaboratively and announced in IRC, village
pump, mailing list, facebook, twitter, ... so i think it does represent
the views of all Brazilians who are interested on it. We do know a legal
structure is now essential, and we are developing the legal structure
On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 2:29 AM, CasteloBranco
michelcastelobra...@gmail.com wrote:
The letter was written collaboratively and announced in IRC, village
pump, mailing list, facebook, twitter, ... so i think it does represent
the views of all Brazilians who are interested on it. We do know a
I'm happy to hear this. As a member of the Chapters Committee, I look
forward to being helpful.
Ray
On 08/27/11 5:29 PM, CasteloBranco wrote:
The letter was written collaboratively and announced in IRC, village
pump, mailing list, facebook, twitter, ... so i think it does represent
the
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