Thanks for the reply, Rupert, and for pushing me to think harder. I like
that!
Without repeating myself and building on your questions, here's what I'll
say:
I agree that chapters are an important way to take the wikimedia movement
forward across the globe. No issues with that. I'm still not
haha, I like that expression ... need to remember the ear on the ground:)
the big problem with a trust is imo, that it is not possible for an
ordinary person to get involved in a decisive role. a chapter takes anybody
as member and anybody can be elected to its board.
rupert
On Nov 23, 2011 7:21
Dear Bishakha,
I apologize for intruding in this discussion again as someone who has
little knowledge about India and the local situation.
I'm myself not entirely convinced that there always should be one
organization in one country - but it is out default. That means that if we
want to drift
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote:
Dear Bishakha,
I apologize for intruding in this discussion again as someone who has
little knowledge about India and the local situation.
Your reply made me happy - it broadened the conversation beyond borders,
it
hi bishaka,
many thanks for your mail! i like a lot your attitude a lot to challenge
constantly existing ways of thinking and doing :)
just let us look on others. our exemplary organizations are not doing
anything different than in all other countries:
* http://www.indianredcross.org/sb.htm
*
would you be so kind to tell us a reason why
1. the indian chapter does not receive 50 dollars to hire 2 persons, to
pay the internet and telephone cost of 150 volunteers and to pay prices for
50 writing and photo shooting competitions around many universities in
india? the first price could
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:12:42 +
From: B?ria Lima berial...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
*The way I see is India is a land of immense potential for the Wikimedia
Movement. IMHO, There is enough space of 10 chapters and Wikimedia
offices
I am not going the respond inline, as it may confuse many a readers like
me. I will also try to answer below various questions/comments from
multiple mails/ people. Some of my comments may be general and not directed
to anyone in particular.
I didn't mean to offend anyone, whether he is a chapter
Tinu Cherian, thank you so much for writing this gorgeous, thoughtful
e-mail. I agree with every word you wrote, and I am grateful that you did
it.
One of the things I like best about Wikimedia is that anyone can become a
leader. You become a leader by acting like one: by being compassionate and
://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 15 November 2011 09:37, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote:
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:12:42 +
From: B?ria Lima berial...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
*The way I see is India is a land of immense potential
Gomajrg...@gmail.com wrote:
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:12:42 +
From: B?ria Limaberial...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
*The way I see is India is a land of immense potential for the Wikimedia
Movement. IMHO, There is enough space of 10 chapters
...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
*The way I see is India is a land of immense potential for the
Wikimedia
Movement. IMHO, There is enough space of 10 chapters and Wikimedia
offices
to co-exist and work together in India.*
Did you ever read
Let's not? I'm sure there is a lot of backstory to why some posts to
this thread have been so argumentative, but the belligerence is
childish and not conducive to a serious and productive discussion.
~Nathan
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Hisham,
There has been much discussion on this already, but this does sound like
some *serious* development to someone like me who has been a long time
volunteer from India. And perhaps to several other long time contributors
from here too, who seem to be staying away from adding their opinion
] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
*The way I see is India is a land of immense potential for the
Wikimedia
Movement. IMHO, There is enough space of 10 chapters and Wikimedia
offices
to co-exist and work together in India.*
Did you ever read the Chapter Agreement you signed with WMF
The following comments are my personal view and not necessarily of an
Executive Member of the Wikimedia India Chapter.
Having said that I must politely disagree with some of the views of
Anirudh, my fellow Executive Member and Salmaan ( Theo) , a member of
Wikimedia India chapter. But I do
I was not going to comment on this thread again. I am kind of annoyed by
what you are painting me as, but I'll try and remain objective.
First, what mail are you disagreeing with? The last mail I sent on this
thread is 3 days old, the last topic was Achal. I didn't talk about Hisham
directly on
*Having said that I must politely disagree with some of the views of
Anirudh, my fellow Executive Member and Salmaan ( Theo) , a member of
Wikimedia India chapter. But I do respect their personal views , but I
guess we agree to disagree.
*
So, your idea of politeness include offend other
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:30:06 -0800
From: Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Message-ID: 4ebe58be@telus.net
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Bishakha, the program (for WCI) is not a problem. Everyone agrees on it.
The funding for WMIN and WIPT is. So makes no sense ask us to discuss in a
point everyone agrees and left out the one where we don't.
_
*Béria Lima*
http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a
*The major program initiative undertaken by Hisham's team so far is the
India Education Program.*
You sure you want to use that as an example of Hishan
workhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-11-07/Special_report?
Because if was in a for-profit organization things
members and signatories on its
bank account.
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:41:43 +
From: berial...@gmail.com
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
Disclaimer: I'm not Indian, and I don't know much about the Indian
operations
Thank you Liam for using the term, organisational roles, instead of
the more pretentious, movement roles. I find the whole thread
disturbing. I am and have always been a strong supporter of the autonomy
of both projects and chapters, and from that vantage point it is
difficult to see this
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:03 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:
FYI - The two Fellows are WMIN chapter members and signatories on its bank
account.
Ummm, not to the best of my knowledge. They are, by virtue of being
organisers of the Wiki Conference India, signatories to the Conference
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you elaborate on the legal and practical differences between the new
India Trust and the India Chapter?
To add to what Bishakha has said - another reason for such a choice
could very well be a difference in the methods
Hi,
thanks a lot all for exmplaining the differences. I would be very much
interested to know more about the ''relationship'' between the trust and
Wikimedia India. You seem to suggest that trustees get appointed by (or on
the advice of - not sure of the legal wording) the WMF - but will
My personal opinion, and I only speak for myself and not the Chapter or the
Foundation (I wouldn't dare!).
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote:
Hi,
thanks a lot all for exmplaining the differences. I would be very much
interested to know more about the
Hallo Anirudh, Lodewijk,
While I think that this discussion is very useful, it has been happening
for some time - I know that Anirudh has raised these questions before,
for instance. In that sense, I'm not sure how the registration of a
trust changes the situation at all; I think that for
On 11 November 2011 17:11, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.com wrote:
Honestly, news reporters in India are confused about *everything*
related to Wikipedia and Wikimedia :) Even a cursory analysis of news
coverage will confirm that they routinely mix up what the movement is,
what the
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:40 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:
From personal experience with WCI 2011, we have benefited by having both
the Chapter and the Foundation in the country.
Kind Regards,
Hi
In the interest of full-disclosure first, please have a look here.[1]
Both the
+1 on Achal's note. Thanks Achal.
Let me add that the relationship with the Wikimedia India chapter is
evolving...and it is evolving in a good way. Hisham worked collaboratively
with Arjuna in joint support of the Wikiconference India team. We work
very closely with Tinu on communications (as
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com wrote:
The initial idea, if I understood it correctly, was to establish another
non-profit body within India, for a period of three to five years to
execute specific (and large-scale) programmes. As of now, the WIPT
inline.
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:21:17 -0800
From: bnewst...@wikimedia.org
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
On the funding issue...this is a bit of a red herring. As of now, there is
sufficient funds available
April, Iv been
compensated only August onwards).
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 22:49:36 +0530
From: de10...@gmail.com
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:40 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:
From
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:36 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:
inline.
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:21:17 -0800
From: bnewst...@wikimedia.org
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
On the funding issue...this is a bit
: Wikimedia India Program Trust
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:36 AM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote:
inline.
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:21:17 -0800
From: bnewst...@wikimedia.org
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
Disclaimer: I'm not Indian, and I don't know much about the Indian
operations, but I needed to answer about something I do know.
*Anirudh said: WMIN and WIPT will theoretically compete for funding within
India, much of which will be allocated to WIPT, given that it is
professionalized (and
I meant to ask earlier, since the fundraiser already started and this is
being announced now.
Is this trust set-up to participate in the annual fundraiser? processing
donations on-behalf of WMF internally? or would it seek to do so in future?
I know you mention FCRA and external funding after
A couple of clarifications:
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Béria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote:
Disclaimer: I'm not Indian, and I don't know much about the Indian
operations, but I needed to answer about something I do know.
*Anirudh said: WMIN and WIPT will theoretically compete for
Ohai Achal
As usual, I disagree. I am a bit more informed of the current situation
than most people, maybe not as much as the current WMF advisory board
member but who knows.
My opinion on this is from a regular community member before much of the
community in other cities was active. I am not
Barry, answers will be in line (as a side notice: I will start love when
someone says something bad about WMF if that is the only way that we can
actually see they posting mails).
*So there are some technical issues that we were dealing with regarding the
funding of the conference that did not
Responses below...
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
I meant to ask earlier, since the fundraiser already started and this is
being announced now.
No relationship between this announcement and the fundraiser. The Trust
has been in the works for months, but
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.orgwrote:
More directly to your questions...the Trust is an independent org, so
technically it cannot serve as an internal processor for WMF.
I meant internal as in within the country, as opposed to external, when
Hisham's
the practical difference seems to be the experience
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 07:44, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Hisham,
Interesting development :-)
My question is with regards to the relationship of the new trust to the
existing India Chapter. The purpose of the trust (as
Hi Theo
On 11 November 2011 14:10, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
Ohai Achal
As usual, I disagree.
??
I didn't realise we disagree frequently...you must fill me in off list :)
I am a bit more informed of the current situation
than most people, maybe not as much as the current WMF
Yes, we disagreed on a couple of things during the filter discussion on
this very list, I'm sure you can look it up.
Along with the local discussions, your thoughts on the strategy plan, and
movement roles, I wasn't there at the time to disagree so I suppose you
have no idea. You are more than
Hi Theo, I find your tone needlessly rude - do you really think this is the
best way to communicate?
It makes it very difficult to have a useful conversation.
Best wishes,
Achal
On 11 November 2011 18:07, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, we disagreed on a couple of things during the
I don't think you've interacted on these mailing lists or on-wiki a lot,
have you?
As far as I can see, barring maybe my last line in the previous reply, I
was civil thorough-out, maybe sarcastic or acerbically restrained. You
don't know me, but I assure you this was not me attempting to be rude.
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Hisham hmun...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Announcement of Wikimedia India Program Trust
Congratulations, Hisham. I know this has been a lot of work for you
and the team over the last few months. I look forward to seeing the
programs that the trust and the chapter
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote:
My personal view is that there is enough work ahead for not just one, or
two, but numerous entities, formal and informal, to enter the fray and
actualize this potential. Already, there are many more requests for
This thread started out with questions about the legal and practical
differences between chapter and trust, but has veered much more into the
terrain of funding and money.
In addition, there have been numerous emails on bank accounts, grants,
fellowships and what not.
I'm glad we're talking
the result of 10 minutes googling is ...
hisham mundol.
total edits 138, in 38 different pages. active since 4 months, active time
100% paid by wikimedia foundation. no free software development. created
even articles, an example:
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafe_Qahwa
sunil abraham.
no
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:04 PM, rupert THURNER
rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote:
to get a feeling about the size, the number of readers, contributors, and a
trend in it, i tried to find the india country statistics on editing and
reading:
The major program initiative undertaken by Hisham's
On 12 November 2011 06:53, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.com wrote:
This thread started out with questions about the legal and practical
differences between chapter and trust, but has veered much more into the
terrain of funding and money.
In addition, there have been numerous emails on
Hi Hisham,
Interesting development :-)
My question is with regards to the relationship of the new trust to the
existing India Chapter. The purpose of the trust (as defined as The
objective of the Trust is to promote the objectives of the Wikimedia
movement and work closely with the Wikimedia
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
Can you elaborate on the legal and practical differences between the new
India Trust and the India Chapter?
Dear Liam,
Since I run a non-profit in India in my other life, I'll pitch in on one
part of this: the legal
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