Re: [Foundation-l] Call for participation in Epistemia, a new wiki encyclopedia

Thomas Larsen wrote: > Hi all, > > On 2/4/09, Fred Bauder wrote: > >>> Basically you've just said "we're going to be just like wikipdia except >>> we >>> won't let incivlity, personal attacks and other bad stuff like that >>> happen". >>> How will you stop it? Blocking? Then you're just like wi

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for participation in Epistemia, a new wiki encyclopedia

Hi all, On 2/4/09, Fred Bauder wrote: >> Basically you've just said "we're going to be just like wikipdia except >> we >> won't let incivlity, personal attacks and other bad stuff like that >> happen". >> How will you stop it? Blocking? Then you're just like wikipedia. > > Actually, no. Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for participation in Epistemia, a new wiki encyclopedia

Hi, On 2/4/09, Patton 123 wrote: > I would also like to say that a community run by a > http://meta.epistemia.org/wiki/Council is a community destined to fail... I beg to differ. A community run by a democratically-elected council of active community members seems, to myself at least, a step for

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility atwikinews [en]

Phil Nash wrote: > who have issues with working with less-gifted editors, but who > fail the behavioural standards, and it's always (in my > experience) a difficult dichotomy between kicking these people > out of the door and culturing their behaviour so as to benefit > the encyclopedia. On ba

[Foundation-l] Please review our new charter

Dear sirs, we have a new charter for our new Free Software, Open source and Wikimedia organization, The idea is to create a local organization that promotes and supports * free/libre software * open source * wikimedia * creative commons * open standards such as from the w3c in kosovo, which is s

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

--- On Thu, 2/5/09, George Herbert wrote: > From: George Herbert > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews > [en] > To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" > Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 3:56 PM > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Andrew Gray > wro

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

I remember one time the arbitration committee sanctioned an editor who referred to another as an imbecile and then tried to justify it on the basis that the other editor was obviously stupid. We've come a long way from there. Now people rise to power and maintain it on the basis of their nastyness.

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

Perhaps it would help if we disallowed certain words in block summaries? - Asshole - Fuck - Idiot... I'm no fan of censorship, but there's no reason these words should be in block summaries at all as far as I can think of. skype: node.ue 2009/2/5 Marc Riddell : > When will you people finally

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility atwikinews [en]

> be collegiate, these editors don't get it and rely on [[WP:TRUTH]]. Sorry, > but they should be invited to contribute somewhere else. That's a wonderful idea. I will be starting Fightopedia, a Wikipedia clone for people who want to cut each other's throats out over article content. No civility a

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

Andrew Whitworth wrote: > If a project so large in size and scope as English Wikipedia is having > these problems with hostility and incivility, you're maybe seeing a > manifestation of problems in human nature itself. See [[w:Dunbar's > Number]] for more information about large groups like this. I

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility atwikinews [en]

> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Phil Nash wrote: > >> ...and it's always (in my experience) a difficult >> dichotomy between kicking these people out of the door and culturing their >> behaviour so as to benefit the encyclopedia. > on 2/5/09 7:19 PM, George Herbert at george.herb...@gmail.com

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility atwikinews[en]

George Herbert wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Phil Nash >> wrote: >> >>> ...and it's always (in my experience) a difficult >>> dichotomy between kicking these people out of the door and >>> culturing their behaviour so as to benefit the encyclopedia. >> >> >> I think this is somewhat of

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility atwikinews [en]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Phil Nash wrote: > ...and it's always (in my experience) a difficult > dichotomy between kicking these people out of the door and culturing their > behaviour so as to benefit the encyclopedia. I think this is somewhat of a false dichotomy - making a good faith eff

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility atwikinews [en]

Jesse (Pathoschild) wrote: >> George Herbert wrote: >>> Civility, or more properly abusive editors, is not a petty problem. >>> If I had Jimbo's God-Emperor powers several existing WP users would >>> be walked out the door and invited to not come back, on the grounds >>> that they are persistently

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

> George Herbert wrote: >> Civility, or more properly abusive editors, is not a petty problem. If I >> had Jimbo's God-Emperor powers several existing WP users would be walked out >> the door and invited to not come back, on the grounds that they are >> persistently abusive and disruptive to oth

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

George Herbert wrote: > Civility, or more properly abusive editors, is not a petty problem. If I > had Jimbo's God-Emperor powers several existing WP users would be walked out > the door and invited to not come back, on the grounds that they are > persistently abusive and disruptive to other user

Re: [Foundation-l] A Civil Wiki (was: Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

> >>> Marc Riddell wrote: > It is clear that the Wikinews Project HAS come up with a successful model. The question is: are the other Projects even listening? > > Michael Snow wrote: > >>> What are you suggesting is the successful model Wikinews has come up >>> with? I thought you we

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

2009/2/5 George Herbert : > Civility, or more properly abusive editors, is not a petty problem. If I > had Jimbo's God-Emperor powers several existing WP users would be walked out > the door and invited to not come back, on the grounds that they are > persistently abusive and disruptive to other

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

Ray Saintonge wrote: > Michael Snow wrote: > >> Marc Riddell wrote: >> >>> It is clear that the Wikinews Project HAS come up with a successful model. >>> The question is: are the other Projects even listening? >>> >> What are you suggesting is the successful model Wikinews has come

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > George Herbert wrote: > > That it will probably take that long is unfortunate, but large online > > communities become very unwieldy in some ways. Having realism about the > > community dynamics is a necessary step in engaging in them as an

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

>> Marc Riddell wrote: >>> It is clear that the Wikinews Project HAS come up with a successful model. >>> The question is: are the other Projects even listening? Michael Snow wrote: >> What are you suggesting is the successful model Wikinews has come up >> with? I thought you were citing Wikine

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increasedincivility at wikinews [en]

(I'm on my Blackberry which makes it hard to comment inline - please bear with me.) Marc Riddell wrote: > on 2/5/09 10:45 AM, Andrew Whitworth at wknight8...@gmail.com wrote: > >> The foundation is not likely to be able to do anything, even if it is >> willing (which I doubt). It makes some se

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

George Herbert wrote: > That it will probably take that long is unfortunate, but large online > communities become very unwieldy in some ways. Having realism about the > community dynamics is a necessary step in engaging in them as an agent of > change. > The model for this kind of community h

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

Marc Riddell wrote: > on 2/5/09 10:45 AM, Andrew Whitworth at wknight8...@gmail.com wrote: > >> The foundation is not likely to be able to do anything, even if it is >> willing (which I doubt). It makes some sense to treat them as the >> authority figure of last resort, but that isn't reality. >

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: > You can see the results we've had: viz, not a lot. It's not like we > can put our foot down and say "play nice, now, guys" and things get > better. If we could solve this problem easily, we'd have done it years > ago. To be fair - we're playi

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

Philippe|Wiki wrote: > Marc, without denying or confirming there are problems with discourse > at Wikinews (because I have no personal knowledge), I would posit that > your messages about this topic to this list have been a little... > terse. Cary was proposing some perfectly valid thoughts

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

2009/2/5 Marc Riddell : > I have been trying for over two years to bring this issue to the serious > attention of the "powers that be" in the English Wikipedia. My messages are > met either with a "there he goes again" attitude, or are not acknowledged at > all. Where does one go from there if not

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

Michael Snow wrote: > Marc Riddell wrote: > >> It is clear that the Wikinews Project HAS come up with a successful model. >> The question is: are the other Projects even listening? >> > What are you suggesting is the successful model Wikinews has come up > with? I thought you were citing W

Re: [Foundation-l] Delete "moldovan" Wikipedia

Certainly mo-Cyrl (or, preforrably ro-Cyrl, as the mo code is obsolete); Moldovan/Romanian is to my knowledge not in any mentionable extent spoken in Cyprus . 2009/2/5 geni > 2009/2/5 Mark Williamson : > > How many

Re: [Foundation-l] Delete "moldovan" Wikipedia

If that were the only purpose of his message, that'd be one thing, but he's asking us to delete it, and then at the end of the message only says "Or at least..." do what was said would be done. Mark skype: node.ue 2009/2/5 geni : > 2009/2/5 Mark Williamson : >> How many times have you sent this

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

2009/2/5 Marc Riddell : > When will you people finally acknowledge that there is something terribly > wrong with the deteriorating level of discourse occurring in the Projects? Marc, this may be a surprise to you, but you're not a lone voice in the wilderness. Everyone with experience knows that m

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

Marc Riddell wrote: > It is clear that the Wikinews Project HAS come up with a successful model. > The question is: are the other Projects even listening? > What are you suggesting is the successful model Wikinews has come up with? I thought you were citing Wikinews as an example of the problem

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

Hello, On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Marc Riddell wrote: > > This is an issue for Erik to respond to (or not); not for you to make > excuses for him. > This is purely an excuse for your inaction. > No, I am asking that people work and communicate civilly and constructively > with one anot

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

Marc, without denying or confirming there are problems with discourse at Wikinews (because I have no personal knowledge), I would posit that your messages about this topic to this list have been a little... terse. Cary was proposing some perfectly valid thoughts (and money DOES have to do

[Foundation-l] UNESCO discussion on Access to OER

Dear all, First post to list - hello to all. I am particularly interested in access / digital divide issues regarding online media and Open Educational Resources, particularly with regard to technical issues, such as poor bandwidth or mobile accessibility. I am not sure what discussion ther

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Marc Riddell wrote: > I have been trying for over two years to bring this issue to the serious > attention of the "powers that be" in the English Wikipedia. My messages are > met either with a "there he goes again" attitude, or are not acknowledged > at > all. Where

Re: [Foundation-l] Delete "moldovan" Wikipedia

2009/2/5 Mark Williamson : > How many times have you sent this request to this list now? > Quite a few but since we have agreed that switching to mo-cy is the right thing to do prodding us once a month to try and get the change done is a not unreasonable approach. -- geni __

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Marc Riddell wrote: >> When will you people finally acknowledge that there is something terribly >> wrong with the deteriorating level of discourse occurring in the Projects? >> And this trend is certainly not confined to Wikinews. Take a good

Re: [Foundation-l] Delete "moldovan" Wikipedia

2009/2/5 Cetateanu Moldovanu : > 1. Wikipedia has a pretended version of it in "Moldovan language" using > the Cyrillic script > 2. The state language is Moldovan (identical to Romanian), and it is > written in the Latin alphabet, not Cyrillic > 3. we request you to delete the fake "Moldo

Re: [Foundation-l] Delete "moldovan" Wikipedia

How many times have you sent this request to this list now? skype: node.ue 2009/2/5 Cetateanu Moldovanu : > 1. Wikipedia has a pretended version of it in "Moldovan language" using > the Cyrillic script > 2. The state language is Moldovan (identical to Romanian), and it is > written in t

Re: [Foundation-l] Delete "moldovan" Wikipedia

I read the text of the petition, here: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/moldovanwikipedia/ Parts of it are very humorous. "It would be absurd to have a Wikipedia in "English" of "French" with Arabic or Cyrillic letters. It is as absurd to have a "Moldovan Wikipedia" with a Cyrillic script." W

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

2009/2/5 Marc Riddell : > And, Erik, when I broached this subject in a private email conversation with > you, you never even acknowledged receipt of that email. You're right - I apologize. I'll send a response to your original mail later today. -- Erik Möller Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marc Riddell wrote: > When will you people finally acknowledge that there is something terribly > wrong with the deteriorating level of discourse occurring in the Projects? > And this trend is certainly not confined to Wikinews. Take a good, objective

[Foundation-l] Delete "moldovan" Wikipedia

1. Wikipedia has a pretended version of it in "Moldovan language" using the Cyrillic script 2. The state language is Moldovan (identical to Romanian), and it is written in the Latin alphabet, not Cyrillic 3. we request you to delete the fake "Moldovan version in Cyrillic" from Wik

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Marc Riddell wrote: > When will you people finally acknowledge that there is something terribly > wrong with the deteriorating level of discourse occurring in the Projects? One does not know deteriorated discourse unless they've, you know, lived in the projects.[1]

Re: [Foundation-l] It.wiki wins the "Premiolino"!!

2009/2/5 Frieda Brioschi : > Premiolino (which means "little award") is the ancient and most > important italian journalistic award. > it.wiki wins in the category "New media" for this reason: > "(because) it's a great, open, accessible for everyone, democratic > encyclopedia, always updated in rea

Re: [Foundation-l] It.wiki wins the "Premiolino"!!

Frieda Brioschi wrote: > Premiolino (which means "little award") is the ancient and most > important italian journalistic award. > it.wiki wins in the category "New media" for this reason: > "(because) it's a great, open, accessible for everyone, democratic > encyclopedia, always updated in real ti

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Marc Riddell > wrote: >> I have been trying for over two years to bring this issue to the serious >> attention of the "powers that be" in the English Wikipedia. My messages are >> met either with a "there he goes again" attitude, or are not acknowledged at >> al

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Marc Riddell wrote: > I have been trying for over two years to bring this issue to the serious > attention of the "powers that be" in the English Wikipedia. My messages are > met either with a "there he goes again" attitude, or are not acknowledged at > all. Where

[Foundation-l] It.wiki wins the "Premiolino"!!

Premiolino (which means "little award") is the ancient and most important italian journalistic award. it.wiki wins in the category "New media" for this reason: "(because) it's a great, open, accessible for everyone, democratic encyclopedia, always updated in real time (e.g. the article "Giorgio Nap

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Marc Riddell > wrote: >> When will you people finally acknowledge that there is something terribly >> wrong with the deteriorating level of discourse occurring in the Projects? >> And this trend is certainly not confined to Wikinews. Take a good, objective >> loo

Re: [Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Marc Riddell wrote: > When will you people finally acknowledge that there is something terribly > wrong with the deteriorating level of discourse occurring in the Projects? > And this trend is certainly not confined to Wikinews. Take a good, objective > look at some

[Foundation-l] FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility at wikinews [en]

When will you people finally acknowledge that there is something terribly wrong with the deteriorating level of discourse occurring in the Projects? And this trend is certainly not confined to Wikinews. Take a good, objective look at some of the dialogue occurring on the English Wikipedia. The atmo