Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 21.09.2011 um 22:37 schrieb David Gerard : > On 21 September 2011 21:20, Kanzlei wrote: > >> This poll was not representative for wikipedia readers, but only for some >> German wikipedia editors. Scientifically research found that Germa editors >> are not representative for German speaking

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

* David Gerard wrote: >233 would be a *large* turnout on en:wp. What is a large turnout on de:wp? Most Meinungsbilder have between 100 and 300 editors participating and the 300s are seen regularily. Participation maxes out at around 500 so "large" probably begins somewhere in the 300s. This largel

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Scope of this mailing list

Carcharoth wrote: > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Phil Nash > wrote: > >> Starting at the back, and working forward, my posts are not random. >> They are carefully selected examples based on my experience as >> (currently) a reader of Wikipedia and my responses to what I found. >> I take it a

[Foundation-l] Reminder: IRC office hours with Sue Gardner, Thursday, September 22, 2011 at 17:00 UTC

Just a quick reminder that this is tomorrow at 17:00 UTC. -- Forwarded message -- From: Steven Walling Date: Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:42 AM Subject: IRC office hours with Sue Gardner, Thursday, September 22, 2011 at 17:00 UTC To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Greetings all, I

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 22:04, David Levy wrote: > An alternative proposal (which is *far* simpler and maintains > neutrality) already has the public backing of WMF trustee Samuel > Klein: Oh, I don't read Meta pages related to Image filter. It's definitely better option! ___

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Scope of this mailing list

Carcharoth wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:13 AM, Phil Nash > wrote: > > > >> [[User:Rodhullandemu]] - "still flying the flag for Wikipedia, for >> some inexplicable reason". > > Does this refer to this? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rodhullandemu&diff=431917947&oldid=4319

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Mike  Dupont > wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:57 PM, MZMcBride wrote: >> >>> From Wikimedia's perspective, I think this is "one down, several hundred to >>> go." >>> Wikimedia has made it clear that i

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Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Andrew Gray wrote: > People are saying we can't have the image filter because it > would stop us being neutral. If we aren't neutral to begin > with, this is a bad argument. An image filter feature isn't inherently non-neutral, but one reliant upon special categories (as described in the WMF outl

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 22.09.2011 00:42, schrieb Bjoern Hoehrmann: > * Tobias Oelgarte wrote: >>> The poll asked whether there should be formalized restrictions beyond >>> the existing ones (only good articles can be proposed). Voters decided >>> against that and to keep the status quo instead where it is decided on >

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

Am 22.09.2011 00:20, schrieb Robert Rohde: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:00 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> The board resolution specifies a magical flying unicorn pony that >> shits rainbows. A wide-ranging survey has been conducted on the >> precise flight patterns and the importance of which way round

Re: [Foundation-l] Three short films about Wikipedia

Op 21-09-11 00:38, Lennart Guldbrandsson schreef: > Hello, > > (Sorry for cross-posting this.) [cut > And now, here are the links: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtUJCeWNzw8 (the librarian) (the sign at the > end says: "When you look up a fact, enter it into Wikipedia as well. Next > time, i

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 22.09.2011 00:07, schrieb Andrew Gray: > On 21 September 2011 18:04, Tobias Oelgarte > wrote: > >>> One of the problems with the discussions about the image filter is >>> that many of them argue - I paraphrase - that "Wikipedia must not be >>> censored because it would stop being neutral". But

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

* Tobias Oelgarte wrote: >> The poll asked whether there should be formalized restrictions beyond >> the existing ones (only good articles can be proposed). Voters decided >> against that and to keep the status quo instead where it is decided on >> a case-by-case basis which articles to feature on

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

On 21 September 2011 18:58, Kim Bruning wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 07:42:18PM +0100, David Gerard wrote: >> On 21 September 2011 18:41, Kim Bruning >> wrote: >> > David's Magical Flying unicorn ponies work very well thank you in >> > the frame of fairytale fiction. >> Originally from disc

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 21.09.2011 23:53, schrieb Bjoern Hoehrmann: > * Sue Gardner wrote: >> Does it mean basically this: deWP put the Vulva article on its front >> page, and then held a poll to decide whether to i) stop putting >> articles like Vulva on its front page, because they might surprise or >> shock some rea

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:00 AM, David Gerard wrote: > The board resolution specifies a magical flying unicorn pony that > shits rainbows. A wide-ranging survey has been conducted on the > precise flight patterns and the importance of which way round the > rainbow spectrum goes. These tiresome peo

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

On 21 September 2011 18:04, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: >> One of the problems with the discussions about the image filter is >> that many of them argue - I paraphrase - that "Wikipedia must not be >> censored because it would stop being neutral". But is the existing >> "Wikipedian POV" *really* the s

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

* Sue Gardner wrote: >Does it mean basically this: deWP put the Vulva article on its front >page, and then held a poll to decide whether to i) stop putting >articles like Vulva on its front page, because they might surprise or >shock some readers, or ii) continue putting articles like Vulva on the

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 21.09.2011 21:52, schrieb Sue Gardner: > On 21 September 2011 12:37, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: >> * Sue Gardner wrote: Yes we put the "vulva" on the main page and it got quite some attention. We wanted it this way to test out the reaction of the readers and to start a discussion ab

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 21.09.2011 22:37, schrieb David Gerard: > On 21 September 2011 21:20, Kanzlei wrote: > >> This poll was not representative for wikipedia readers, but only for some >> German wikipedia editors. Scientifically research found that Germa editors >> are not representative for German speaking peop

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 21.09.2011 22:20, schrieb Kanzlei: > Am 21.09.2011 um 20:10 schrieb Tobias > Oelgarte: > >> Am 21.09.2011 19:36, schrieb Kanzlei: >>> Am 21.09.2011 um 19:04 schrieb Tobias >>> Oelgarte: >>> Don't you think that we would have thousands of complaints a day if your words would be true a

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 21.09.2011 21:28, schrieb Sue Gardner: > On 21 September 2011 11:10, Tobias Oelgarte > wrote: >> Am 21.09.2011 19:36, schrieb Kanzlei: >>> Am 21.09.2011 um 19:04 schrieb Tobias >>> Oelgarte: >>> Don't you think that we would have thousands of complaints a day if your words would be

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

On 21 September 2011 21:20, Kanzlei wrote: > This poll was not representative for wikipedia readers, but only for some > German wikipedia editors.  Scientifically research found that Germa editors > are not representative for German speaking people but far more > environmetal-liberal-leftists

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 21.09.2011 um 20:10 schrieb Tobias Oelgarte : > Am 21.09.2011 19:36, schrieb Kanzlei: >> Am 21.09.2011 um 19:04 schrieb Tobias >> Oelgarte: >> >>> Don't you think that we would have thousands of complaints a day if your >>> words would be true at all? Just have a look at the article [[hentai]

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

Milos Rancic wrote: > Between: > 1) implementation against the majority will on main project; > 2) prolonged discussion about this issue, which would harm community; > 3) irrelevant in-house circus > > -- I choose the circus. Those aren't the only options. > And Board needs other options, as pus

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

David Gerard wrote: > I don't see that Milos' proposal will be any more of a circus than any > other proposed filtering plan (except "switch all images on/off") and > it has the advantage of keeping the circus somewhere general users of > the site don't need to be bothered. I agree that Milos Ran

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

On 21 September 2011 12:37, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: > * Sue Gardner wrote: >>> Yes we put the "vulva" on the main page and it got quite some attention. >>> We wanted it this way to test out the reaction of the readers and to >>> start a discussion about it. The result was as expected. Complains th

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:35 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > > Sage Ross once discussed with me the idea of having Wikinews be foremost a > source of news about the Internet. It could report on news and goings-on on > various Web sites. The idea made the idea of Wikinews almost seem redeemable > to me, th

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

* Sue Gardner wrote: >> Yes we put the "vulva" on the main page and it got quite some attention. >> We wanted it this way to test out the reaction of the readers and to >> start a discussion about it. The result was as expected. Complains that >> it is offensive together with Praises to show what n

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

On 21 September 2011 11:10, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > Am 21.09.2011 19:36, schrieb Kanzlei: >> Am 21.09.2011 um 19:04 schrieb Tobias >> Oelgarte: >> >>> Don't you think that we would have thousands of complaints a day if your >>> words would be true at all? Just have a look at the article [[hentai

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 20:38, Thomas Dalton wrote: > An opt-in filter using the same URL as everything else won't affect > anything else either. Except: 1) fierce opposition from significant part of the community. (I don't care about the quality of opposition, just about the fact that it's very

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 21:09, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: > You choose discussions about images in a "circus" outside the context > they belong to? This won't be "circus", since we just reduced the amount > of arguments from some to zero. If combatants argue about a topic > without having a word left,

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

Am 21.09.2011 21:02, schrieb Milos Rancic: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 20:47, David Levy wrote: >> Milos Rancic wrote: >>> Don't worry! Any implementation of censorship project would lead to >>> endless troll-fests which would be more dumb than Youtube comments. >>> The point is just to kick out the

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On 21 September 2011 19:47, David Levy wrote: > Milos Rancic wrote: >> Don't worry! Any implementation of censorship project would lead to >> endless troll-fests which would be more dumb than Youtube comments. >> The point is just to kick out them out of productive projects. Imagine >> a place wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 20:47, David Levy wrote: > Milos Rancic wrote: >> Don't worry! Any implementation of censorship project would lead to >> endless troll-fests which would be more dumb than Youtube comments. >> The point is just to kick out them out of productive projects. Imagine >> a place

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

Am 21.09.2011 20:05, schrieb Andre Engels: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Tobias Oelgarte< > tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > >> I still can't the a rational difference between images included in >> articles by the will of the community and text passages included by the >> will of th

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 07:42:18PM +0100, David Gerard wrote: > On 21 September 2011 18:41, Kim Bruning > wrote: > > > David's Magical Flying unicorn ponies work very well thank you in > > the frame of fairytale fiction. > > > Originally from discussion of an actually impossible project at > wo

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 05:01:04PM +0200, Kanzlei wrote: > > The real problem are people who are unaware of womens and other > nations citizens needs, who are the reason why we need this filter > urgently. In their opinion the "market worth" of women is so low, no > efforts should be untertaken t

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

Milos Rancic wrote: > Don't worry! Any implementation of censorship project would lead to > endless troll-fests which would be more dumb than Youtube comments. > The point is just to kick out them out of productive projects. Imagine > a place where Christian, Muslim, , > fundamentalists will have

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

On 21 September 2011 18:41, Kim Bruning wrote: > David's Magical Flying unicorn ponies work very well thank you in > the frame of fairytale fiction. Originally from discussion of an actually impossible project at work. "Look, we've specified a magical flying unicorn pony because we think they'l

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On 21 September 2011 18:37, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 19:10, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> What is the advantage of that compared with the feature as it was >> originally proposed? All you've done is made the URL more complicated. >> You'll still need to use user preferences to dete

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 04:37:31PM +0100, WereSpielChequers wrote: > But since Flickr has already proven that something like this can work in > practice, can we agree to classify Image filters as one of those things that > work in practice but not in theory? Then we can concentrate on the practical

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

Am 21.09.2011 19:37, schrieb Milos Rancic: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 19:10, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> What is the advantage of that compared with the feature as it was >> originally proposed? All you've done is made the URL more complicated. >> You'll still need to use user preferences to determine

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 21.09.2011 19:36, schrieb Kanzlei: > Am 21.09.2011 um 19:04 schrieb Tobias > Oelgarte: > >> Don't you think that we would have thousands of complaints a day if your >> words would be true at all? Just have a look at the article [[hentai]] >> and look at the illustration. How many complaints abo

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Tobias Oelgarte < tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I still can't the a rational difference between images included in > articles by the will of the community and text passages included by the > will of the community. It's much easier to note offensive te

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

* Kanzlei wrote: >Your assumtion is wrong. The 8.000 daily are neither neutral nor >representative for all users. Put the picture on the main page and You >get representative results. We had that in Germany. That's missing the point. Putting an image on the front page is putting it out of context,

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 19:10, Thomas Dalton wrote: > What is the advantage of that compared with the feature as it was > originally proposed? All you've done is made the URL more complicated. > You'll still need to use user preferences to determine which images > are getting hidden, so why can't

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 21.09.2011 um 19:04 schrieb Tobias Oelgarte : > Don't you think that we would have thousands of complaints a day if your > words would be true at all? Just have a look at the article [[hentai]] > and look at the illustration. How many complaints about this image do we > get a day? None, beca

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

Am 21.09.2011 19:10, schrieb Thomas Dalton: > On 21 September 2011 14:06, Milos Rancic wrote: >> You didn't understand me well. It's not about fork(s), it's about >> wrappers, shells around the existing projects. >> >> * en.safe.wikipedia.org/wiki/ would point to >> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >> * Wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

Am 21.09.2011 18:56, schrieb Michael Snow: > On 9/21/2011 7:53 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen >>wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:10 PM, phoebe ayers >>> wrote:> This seems like an over-hasty statement. There are many possible

Re: [Foundation-l] Internet Archive: Volunteer - Help us get 200, 000 books on Sunday!

On Sep 21, 2011 12:52 AM, "emijrp" wrote: > > Hi all; > > Who lives in San Francisco? Who works there (WMF staff ; )) ? > > This may be a good choice to get involved with Internet Archive. > > http://blog.archive.org/2011/09/20/volunteer-help-us-get-20-books-on-sunday/ > > Regards, > emijrp T

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On 21 September 2011 14:06, Milos Rancic wrote: > You didn't understand me well. It's not about fork(s), it's about > wrappers, shells around the existing projects. > > * en.safe.wikipedia.org/wiki/ would point to > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > * When you click on "edit" from en.safe, you would get th

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

Am 21.09.2011 18:45, schrieb Milos Rancic: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 18:00, David Levy wrote: >> Some people won't be content until Wikipedia's prose conveys their >> cultural/religious/spiritual beliefs as absolute truth. Should the >> WMF provide en.[insert belief system].wikipedia.org so they

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 21.09.2011 18:41, schrieb Andrew Gray: > On 21 September 2011 16:53, David Gerard wrote: > >> They do it by crowdsourcing a mass American bias, don't they? >> >> An American POV being enforced strikes me as a problematic solution. >> >> (I know that FAQ says "global community". What they mean i

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

> ... many of them argue - I paraphrase - that "Wikipedia must not be > censored because it would stop being neutral". ... > - Andrew Gray Please categorize anyone who thinks the projects are anything like "neutral" as a . One need only do, say, a simple count of photos of girls in skimpy bikinis

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

On 9/21/2011 7:53 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:10 PM, phoebe ayers >> wrote:> >>> This seems like an over-hasty statement. There are many possible >>> categorization schemes that are neutral; the ALA in f

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

Am 21.09.2011 18:31, schrieb Kanzlei: > Am 21.09.2011 um 17:36 schrieb Tobias > Oelgarte: > >> It's your basic philosophy that sucks. It's _not_ the choice of the >> reader to hide image he don't like. It's the choice of the reader to >> hide image that others don't like! Now get a cup of tea and

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 18:00, David Levy wrote: > Some people won't be content until Wikipedia's prose conveys their > cultural/religious/spiritual beliefs as absolute truth.  Should the > WMF provide en.[insert belief system].wikipedia.org so they can edit > it and leave the rest of us alone? D

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

On 21 September 2011 16:53, David Gerard wrote: > They do it by crowdsourcing a mass American bias, don't they? > > An American POV being enforced strikes me as a problematic solution. > > (I know that FAQ says "global community". What they mean is "people > all around the world who are Silicon V

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

Am 21.09.2011 um 17:36 schrieb Tobias Oelgarte : > It's your basic philosophy that sucks. It's _not_ the choice of the > reader to hide image he don't like. It's the choice of the reader to > hide image that others don't like! Now get a cup of tea and think about it. It's the bad double-think t

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

Milos Rancic wrote: > They want that censoring tool and I think that they won't be content > until they get it. Thus, let them have it and let them leave the rest > of us alone. Some people won't be content until Wikipedia's prose conveys their cultural/religious/spiritual beliefs as absolute tru

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

Am 21.09.2011 17:37, schrieb WereSpielChequers: > I get the idea that there are theoretical reasons why image filters can't > work, and I share the view that the proposal which was consulted on needs > some improvement. An individual choice made at the IP level was a circle > that looked awfully di

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

WSC, I'm not sure Flickr is a great example. The restricted images policies only work because they employ a full time set of "police officers" with the massively unpopular duty to delete images and close accounts (including those that have paid in advance for their "pro" account) using their own pe

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

On 21 September 2011 16:37, WereSpielChequers wrote: > But since Flickr has already proven that something like this can work in > practice, can we agree to classify Image filters as one of those things that > work in practice but not in theory? Then we can concentrate on the practical > issue of

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

Am 21.09.2011 17:21, schrieb Jussi-Ville Heiskanen: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:53 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:10 PM, phoebe ayers >>> wrote:> This seems like an over-hasty statement. There are

[Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter - magical flying unicorn pony that s***s rainbows

I get the idea that there are theoretical reasons why image filters can't work, and I share the view that the proposal which was consulted on needs some improvement. An individual choice made at the IP level was a circle that looked awfully difficult to square. But since Flickr has already proven

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

Am 21.09.2011 16:53, schrieb phoebe ayers: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:10 PM, phoebe ayers >> wrote:> >>> This seems like an over-hasty statement. There are many possible >>> categorization schemes that are neutral; the ALA in

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

Am 21.09.2011 16:43, schrieb Milos Rancic: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 15:16, David Gerard wrote: >> On 21 September 2011 14:14, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen >> wrote: >>> The real problem here is that if there was a real market for stupid >>> sites like that, they would already be there. And they are no

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 5:53 PM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:10 PM, phoebe ayers >> wrote:> >>> >>> This seems like an over-hasty statement. There are many possible >>> categorization schemes that are neutra

Re: [Foundation-l] Extension:Babel

John Vandenberg, 21/09/2011 16:18: > Extension Babel is now deployed. > > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Babel > > Thank you Roan. And thanks to the new Internationalization/Localization team (in case you missed it: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2011-September/055078.h

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 16:45, David Gerard wrote: > On 21 September 2011 15:43, Milos Rancic wrote: >> They want that censoring tool and I think that they won't be content >> until they get it. Thus, let them have it and let them leave the rest >> of us alone. > > Ah, you didn't read the bit of

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Stephen Bain wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> >> It is not the job of >> Commons community to work on personal wishes of American >> right-wingers. > > Well, while we're tarring large groups of people with the same brush, > it's no

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

Am 21.09.2011 um 15:14 schrieb Jussi-Ville Heiskanen : > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:10, WereSpielChequers >> wrote: >>> Forking and creating "safe" versions of all our wikis has the same >>> disadvantage of any other fork, the wisdom of cro

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:10 PM, phoebe ayers wrote:> >> >> This seems like an over-hasty statement. There are many possible >> categorization schemes that are neutral; the ALA in fact makes that >> distinction itself, since librari

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On 21 September 2011 15:43, Milos Rancic wrote: > They want that censoring tool and I think that they won't be content > until they get it. Thus, let them have it and let them leave the rest > of us alone. Ah, you didn't read the bit of the report that specifically said a filtering mechanism sh

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 15:16, David Gerard wrote: > On 21 September 2011 14:14, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen > wrote: >> The real problem here is that if there was a real market for stupid >> sites like that, they would already be there. And they are not, which >> does seem to point to the conclusion

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 15:23, Stephen Bain wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: >> It is not the job of >> Commons community to work on personal wishes of American >> right-wingers. > > Well, while we're tarring large groups of people with the same brush, > it's not the

[Foundation-l] Extension:Babel

Extension Babel is now deployed. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Babel Thank you Roan. -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:10 PM, phoebe ayers wrote:> > > This seems like an over-hasty statement. There are many possible > categorization schemes that are neutral; the ALA in fact makes that > distinction itself, since libraries (obviously) use all kinds of labeling > and categorization schemes

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > It is not the job of > Commons community to work on personal wishes of American > right-wingers. Well, while we're tarring large groups of people with the same brush, it's not their job to bend to the desires of European anarcho-libertaria

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On 21 September 2011 14:14, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > The real problem here is that if there was a real market for stupid > sites like that, they would already be there. And they are not, which > does seem to point to the conclusion that there isn't a real market > for such sites. Doesn't it

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:10, WereSpielChequers > wrote: >> Forking and creating "safe" versions of all our wikis has the same >> disadvantage of any other fork, the wisdom of crowds is dissipated if the >> crowd is ever further divided. In

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:10, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Forking and creating "safe" versions of all our wikis has the same > disadvantage of any other fork, the wisdom of crowds is dissipated if the > crowd is ever further divided. In that sense this would be as much a mistake > as it was to spi

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > David Gerard, 21/09/2011 14:00: >> The board resolution specifies a magical flying unicorn pony that >> shits rainbows. A wide-ranging survey has been conducted on the >> precise flight patterns and the importance of which way round th

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

David Gerard, 21/09/2011 14:00: > The board resolution specifies a magical flying unicorn pony that > shits rainbows. A wide-ranging survey has been conducted on the > precise flight patterns and the importance of which way round the > rainbow spectrum goes. These tiresome people who keep calling t

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

+1 _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer .* On 21 September 2011 08:11, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: > O

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On 21 September 2011 11:41, Kim Bruning wrote: > While surveys show that a small majority finds this option > (marginally) acceptable, current best analysis suggests that this > particular option may not be implementable within the intersecting > frames of the wikimedia movement and the laws of p

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:10:47AM +0100, WereSpielChequers wrote: > Better to encompass both "safe" and existing wikis > within the same wiki by making the image filter an opt in user choice, that > way you achieve all the advantages of "safe" and unsafe wikis without any of > the overheads. Whil

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumps mirroring (was: Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?)

I would be happy to mirror. I was looking and poking arround for that a year ago and the biggest problem for me is that its not clear how WikiMedia would like to be mirrored. We are currently a Centos and Ubuntu mirror on the machine. We have the space, thats not the problem. Best, Huib Laurens

Re: [Foundation-l] Dumps mirroring (was: Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?)

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Strainu wrote: > 2011/9/21 emijrp : > > Hi all; > > > > Just like the scripts to preserve wikis[1], I'm working in a new script > to > > download all Wikimedia Commons images packed by day. But I have limited > > spare time. Sad that volunteers have to do this wit

[Foundation-l] Dumps mirroring (was: Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?)

2011/9/21 emijrp : > Hi all; > > Just like the scripts to preserve wikis[1], I'm working in a new script to > download all Wikimedia Commons images packed by day. But I have limited > spare time. Sad that volunteers have to do this without any help from > Wikimedia Foundation. > > I started too an

Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 90, Issue 121

I'd caution against putting too much faith in those raw numbers without a clear understanding of what they mean. They can make sense comparing different language editions of the same project, but comparing different projects is apples and oranges. For instance, some months ago I was doing some re

Re: [Foundation-l] Three short films about Wikipedia

Hey Lennart, they are great videos! Please, create a wikipage on meta:, and I will add the Spanish translation. Regards, emijrp 2011/9/21 Lennart Guldbrandsson > Hello, > > (Sorry for cross-posting this.) > > In just two days, Wikimedia Sverige is once again going to participate at > the Gothe

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

Hi all; Just like the scripts to preserve wikis[1], I'm working in a new script to download all Wikimedia Commons images packed by day. But I have limited spare time. Sad that volunteers have to do this without any help from Wikimedia Foundation. I started too an effort in meta: (with low activit

[Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

Forking and creating "safe" versions of all our wikis has the same disadvantage of any other fork, the wisdom of crowds is dissipated if the crowd is ever further divided. In that sense this would be as much a mistake as it was to spin Outreach, Strategy and Ten off as separate wikis rather than pr

[Foundation-l] Internet Archive: Volunteer - Help us get 200, 000 books on Sunday!

Hi all; Who lives in San Francisco? Who works there (WMF staff ; )) ? This may be a good choice to get involved with Internet Archive. http://blog.archive.org/2011/09/20/volunteer-help-us-get-20-books-on-sunday/ Regards, emijrp ___ foundation-l ma

Re: [Foundation-l] Minor projects withering and dying? Really?

Usage statistics alone, I would agree with you. But stats can tell so much more than just what you get from usage stats. For instance: http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikinews/EN/ChartsWikipediaEN.htm (be sure to scroll all the way to the right). ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Fajro wrote: > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > >> Thoughts? >> > > I am against anything that validates the image filter. > > I still believe that the filter is against the mission of the foundation. > > -- > Fajro > +1 -- -- Jussi-Vill