[Foundation-l] R: Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?

Yes in my opinion it.wiki can return online but a lot of user want to wait for the for the approvement of the law that can be at 14:00 UTC. In any case 48 hour of stop indicated by most of people end at 18:00 UTC. Discussion here http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bar/Discussioni/Sciopero:_il_p

Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 06:27, Jimmy Wales wrote: > http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law > > It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up > in Italy. Wikipedia needs to strike just one day to get requests fulfilled. That's good to know! Congratulations to Italian Wikipe

Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?

Yay! Congratulations, Wikipedia Italy! Matthew Bowker Sent from my iPod On Oct 5, 2011, at 22:27, Jimmy Wales wrote: > http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law > > It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up > in Italy. > > > ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Jimmy Wales wrote: > http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law > > It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up > in Italy. > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >

[Foundation-l] Given that we have won, can we turn Italian Wikipedia back on now?

http://www.linkiesta.it/wikipedia-law It'd be nice to have Italian Wikipedia back up as people are waking up in Italy. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say?

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > --- On Wed, 5/10/11, Andrea Zanni wrote: > > From: Andrea Zanni > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does > the proposed law say? > To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, 5 October,

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Stanton Foundation Awards Wikimedia $3.6 Million for Technology Improvements

Jay Walsh wrote: > SAN FRANCISCO, CA - October 5, 2011 - The Wikimedia Foundation announced > today it has been awarded the largest-ever grant in its history: $3.6 > million from the Stanton Foundation. The purpose of the grant is to fund > major investments in the technology infrastructure that su

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say?

--- On Wed, 5/10/11, Andrea Zanni wrote: From: Andrea Zanni Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say? To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" Date: Wednesday, 5 October, 2011, 22:44 > Given that a Wikipedia biography is usually the fi

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Stanton Foundation Awards Wikimedia $3.6 Million for Technology Improvements

*Stanton Foundation Awards Wikimedia $3.6 Million for Technology Improvements* SAN FRANCISCO, CA – October 5, 2011 – The Wikimedia Foundation announced today it has been awarded the largest-ever grant in its history: $3.6 million from the Stanton Foundation. The purpose of the grant is to fund maj

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

Domas writes: > Except that WMF as steward of the open information can roll any of that > blackout crap back. > Primary mission is spreading the knowledge, and now it.wikipedia obviously > fails at it. I believe this interpretation is both unfair and incorrect. The Italian Wikipedians are tryin

Re: [Foundation-l] "almost wikipedia" talk

On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 02:48:21PM -0700, phoebe ayers wrote: > Of interest: > Benjamin Mako Hill is giving a talk at the Berkman Center on October > 11, entitled: "Almost Wikipedia: What Eight Collaborative Encyclopedia > Projects Reveal About Mechanisms of Collective Action" > > It will be webca

[Foundation-l] "almost wikipedia" talk

Of interest: Benjamin Mako Hill is giving a talk at the Berkman Center on October 11, entitled: "Almost Wikipedia: What Eight Collaborative Encyclopedia Projects Reveal About Mechanisms of Collective Action" It will be webcast: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/luncheon/2011/10/makohill cheers,

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say?

> Given that a Wikipedia biography is usually the first google hit to come up > for a name, it > doesn't actually strike me as *that* ludicrous. What Wikipedia writes about a > person reaches > more readers today than a New York Times article. As someone else mentioned > recently, > there is a r

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On 10/04/11 3:14 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > WereSpielChequers, 04/10/2011 23:46: >> If someone tried to use this law >> to >> force an editor to publish a rebuttal of something posted before the >> freeze, then surely that would be retrospective legislation? > I don't see why. Web pages are

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Jalo wrote: > To me, it works. Which browser are you using? Firefox 7.0.1 on OS X 10.6.6, not logged into anything. Austin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikim

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:47 PM, The Cunctator wrote: > On 10/4/11, Mathias Schindler wrote: >> How many inches are we away from keeping a list of politicians and >> parties we endorse in national, state and regional elections? > > That's stupid. I think that was his point. Austin _

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

> > I wasn't logged in, to begin with. I was looking at it as any casual > reader would. > > Austin > To me, it works. Which browser are you using? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ma

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > Make a logout and after make a new login. I wasn't logged in, to begin with. I was looking at it as any casual reader would. Austin ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

That's stupid. On 10/4/11, Mathias Schindler wrote: > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 22:19, Nathan wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:15 PM, teun spaans wrote: >>> Isn't this premature? As I understand, the law is still being discussed, >>> not >>> yet in affect. >>> >> >> It's a protest, they are hopi

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On 05.10.2011 20:43, Austin Hair wrote: > On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Theo10011 wrote: >> There seems to be a situation developing at Italian Wikipedia related to a >> local law that would infringe neutrality on Wikipedia. The discussions even >> mention a possible blackout/lockdown in reactio

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > There seems to be a situation developing at Italian Wikipedia related to a > local law that would infringe neutrality on Wikipedia. The discussions even > mention a possible blackout/lockdown in reaction. Currently, anything I try to access at it

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say?

--- On Wed, 5/10/11, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: From: Jussi-Ville Heiskanen Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say? To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" Date: Wednesday, 5 October, 2011, 12:16 On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Milo

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say?

--- On Wed, 5/10/11, Jalo wrote: From: Jalo Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say? To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" Date: Wednesday, 5 October, 2011, 12:40 > > the subject would have the right for a statement to be shown, una

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011/10/5 Michael Snow > On 10/5/2011 9:45 AM, emijrp wrote: > > 2011/10/5 Michael Snow > >> On 10/5/2011 7:03 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote: > >>> Editor strike means not editing, it doesn't mean full service downtime. > >> When labor unions go on strike, they do more than not show up for work. > >> T

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On 10/5/2011 9:45 AM, emijrp wrote: > 2011/10/5 Michael Snow >> On 10/5/2011 7:03 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote: >>> Editor strike means not editing, it doesn't mean full service downtime. >> When labor unions go on strike, they do more than not show up for work. >> They form picket lines and take other

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011/10/5 Michael Snow > On 10/5/2011 7:03 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote: > >> The only thing we truly could do is restore read access. But if the > >> it.wikipedia community really wants to strike, there's very little we > >> can do to stop them. :) > > I sure agree with that. There're plenty of ways

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On 10/5/2011 7:03 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote: >> The only thing we truly could do is restore read access. But if the >> it.wikipedia community really wants to strike, there's very little we >> can do to stop them. :) > I sure agree with that. There're plenty of ways to inflict pain without > terminat

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

hat requires prior registration under the Italian law (i.e. those with an editor in chief and that are already affected by the law in their paper/video form). You can find the proposed amendments here (Italian only, sorry) http://www.camera.it/_dati/leg16/lavori/odg/cam/fascicoli/20111005/20111005e

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

Le 5 octobre 2011 17:23, emijrp a écrit : > When people reuse content in other websites/blogs/etc, they have to copy the > article text and link to Italian Wikipedia where you can check the entire > history and authors. That is how attribution is given. It is explained here > http://en.wikipedia.o

[Foundation-l] Im*ge f*lt*r poll on fr:wp

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Sondage/Installation_d%27un_Filtre_d%27image - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

> > Possibly relevant update: > > http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/news.php?newsid=157111 (might need > translation) > > Theo > The comma has been discussed into the "Comitato dei Nove", that is a simply discussion committee. They have proposed (it seems) to apply the law only to internet newspaper

The Signpost – Volume 7, Issue 40 – 03 October 2011

News and notes: Italian Wikipedia threatens site shutdown over new privacy law; Wikimedia Sverige produce short Wikipedia films, Sue Gardner calls for empathy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2011-10-03/News_and_notes In the news: QRpedia launches to acclaim, Jimbo talks

[Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Language committee report - September 2011

See the wiki version here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee/Reports/2011-09 This is the language committee report for September 2011. === Committee === * There will be a Hackathon in Mumbai, India (19-20 November) which focuses partially on language support. Several members will

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

When people reuse content in other websites/blogs/etc, they have to copy the article text and link to Italian Wikipedia where you can check the entire history and authors. That is how attribution is given. It is explained here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reusing_Wikipedia_content Now, m

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

Possibly relevant update: http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/news.php?newsid=157111 (might need translation) Theo On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: > On 5 October 2011 16:07, wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: emijrp > > > > > > >By the way, our free license

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

I am sure other people can fill in, but I heard there has been some movement within the parliament in reaction. They are reconsidering a portion of that law that might affect us, or so I have been told. http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/news.php?newsid=157111 Can someone clarify? Regards Theo On

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

On 5 October 2011 16:07, wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: emijrp > > > >By the way, our free licenses also need to show the text authors. Thousand > >people re-use the contents and link to the Wikipedia page. As far as I > know, > >no history is available now at Italian Wikipedia to

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

-Original Message- From: emijrp >By the way, our free licenses also need to show the text authors. Thousand >people re-use the contents and link to the Wikipedia page. As far as I know, >no history is available now at Italian Wikipedia to look up. CC-BY-SA/GFDL >violation? If that wer

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

There is no content now, so there is no violation... You need to show the content before you can violate anything. I was responding on your part about giving the right to mirror, there is no need for that cuz its already there. We even provide dumps for mirrors so they can easy import a wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:48 AM, emijrp wrote: > Of course. I'm not speaking about the right to mirror, but the need of > mirrors. > > By the way, our free licenses also need to show the text authors. Thousand > people re-use the contents and link to the Wikipedia page. As far as I know, > no hist

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

> Of late I've often round reasons to be critical of the choices the WMF has > made, but in this case you've made the best choice possible - supporting the > community on it.wikipedia in a decision that they've come to as a group, > even though that decision is controversial in some places.  Bravo

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

Of course. I'm not speaking about the right to mirror, but the need of mirrors. By the way, our free licenses also need to show the text authors. Thousand people re-use the contents and link to the Wikipedia page. As far as I know, no history is available now at Italian Wikipedia to look up. CC-BY

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

Of all the ways to protest the law, I think it.wp chose the most noticeable way. If something like a sitenotice were implemented, many people would just scroll past it. Even if not, they would only read it a couple times, because people access Wikipedia for the content. OTOH, just locking Edi

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 16:03, Domas Mituzas wrote: > When writers guild went on strike, we could still watch old stuff, right, it > wasn't pulled ;-) > If doctors go on strike, people are still allowed to live, retroactive > disease correction is not done... When truck drivers go on strike in F

Re: [Foundation-l] Blanking a Wikipedia, a very bad idea

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Peter Coombe wrote: > Using a geotargeted CentralNotice would be clever, but I believe it > would be trivial to get around by disabling Javascript. Currently > it.wikipedia is using JS to redirect to their message, but beyond that > all page contents are also being

Re: [Foundation-l] Blanking a Wikipedia, a very bad idea

Using a geotargeted CentralNotice would be clever, but I believe it would be trivial to get around by disabling Javascript. Currently it.wikipedia is using JS to redirect to their message, but beyond that all page contents are also being hidden with CSS (yes, you can bypass that too, but it's proba

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

Therefore, each encyclopedia article and each course should explicitly grant irrevocable permission for anyone to make verbatim copies available on mirror sites. This permission should be one of the basic stated principles of the free encyclopedia. That is already done with our free licensing..

Re: [Foundation-l] Blanking a Wikipedia, a very bad idea

This may have been answered by Kaldari already but... Wouldn't it have been a better solution to block ALL wikimedia projects in any language, if the user geolocates to Italy? It's my understanding that this law does not differentiate (so, the English wikipedia faces the same risks as Italian wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

> The only thing we truly could do is restore read access. But if the > it.wikipedia community really wants to strike, there's very little we > can do to stop them. :) I sure agree with that. There're plenty of ways to inflict pain without terminating the service entirely. Editor strike means no

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Domas Mituzas wrote: > Except that WMF as steward of the open information can roll any of that > blackout crap back. The only thing we truly could do is restore read access. But if the it.wikipedia community really wants to strike, there's very little we can do to

Re: [Foundation-l] We need more information (was: Blog from Sue about ...)

The problem with the whole Censorship or not debate is... People want "Just slightly pregnant, but not really.." And the problem there is, either you are pregnant, or ya ain't. There isn't a "slightly" variant to pregnancy. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Blanking a Wikipedia, a very bad idea

2011/10/5 M. Williamson : > Editors aren't the only people who use Wikipedia. About that point it's worth noting that in Facebook several autonomous supporting groups have appeared, the most numerous has > 215.000 followers and it's now still growing with a 1000 likes/hour rate. Cristian ___

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

A good moment to remember this. *Permit mirror sites.* When information is available on the web only at one site, its availability is vulnerable. A local problem—a computer crash, an earthquake or flood, a budget cut, a change in policy of the school administration—could cut off access for everyo

Re: [Foundation-l] Blanking a Wikipedia, a very bad idea

This is a reminder. Not a direct comment on any words on this thread. We are all on the same side here. We want information to be free. We are arguing about the details, not the big picture. Just keep that in mind. -- -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011/10/5 David Richfield : > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Domas Mituzas wrote: >>> Regardless, what's done is done, for >>> the moment. >> >> Except that WMF as steward of the open information can roll any of that >> blackout crap back. >> Primary mission is spreading the knowledge, and now i

Re: [Foundation-l] Con rispetto per questa azione coraggiosa

2011/10/5 Anneke Wolf : > Hi folks, > > the german community made the decision to have a short notice about > the issue on the front page as well (see: Wikipedia aktuell) > http://de.wikipedia.org > > In addition there's a support letter you can sign: > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Solida

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:58:51 -0700 > From: Sue Gardner > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > The Wikimedia Foundation first heard about this a fe

[Foundation-l] Italian Wikipedia protest - retrospective legislation?

> > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 00:14:51 +0200 > From: "Federico Leva (Nemo)" > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia > To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > > Message-ID: <4e8b855b.5010...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/pla

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say?

> > the subject would have the right for a statement to be shown, unaltered, on > the page (which > actually would be possible for Wikipedia to do, via a transcluded and > protected template). I think not. The transcluded template can be deleted from the article, if you don't block the article it

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Domas Mituzas wrote: >> Regardless, what's done is done, for >> the moment. > > Except that WMF as steward of the open information can roll any of that > blackout crap back. > Primary mission is spreading the knowledge, and now it.wikipedia obviously > fails at it

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

It is comparable, but only partially. That Italian law has an effect on the content itself, the image filter only on the availability of the content. But still, both issues are worth a community strike in the way the Italian community chose, anyway. Th. 2011/10/5 Lodewijk : > If you even think th

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

> > Except that WMF as steward of the open information can roll any of that > blackout crap back. > > Domas > There's no need to be so drastic. If WMF wishes the block to be removed, it simply can ask it and we'll do. In a couple of minutes. We're not moving war against WMF. Howerer, at the momen

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say?

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:49, Andreas Kolbe wrote: >> Even this corrected version does not seem to be right. As I understand the >> proposed law, >> the subject would have the right for a statement to be shown, unaltered, on >> the page (whi

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say?

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 12:49, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Even this corrected version does not seem to be right. As I understand the > proposed law, > the subject would have the right for a statement to be shown, unaltered, on > the page (which > actually would be possible for Wikipedia to do, via a

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

> Regardless, what's done is done, for > the moment. Except that WMF as steward of the open information can roll any of that blackout crap back. Primary mission is spreading the knowledge, and now it.wikipedia obviously fails at it. Domas ___ foundat

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia - What exactly does the proposed law say?

Note changes to the statement on Italian Wikipedia: http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AComunicato_4_ottobre_2011&action=historysubmit&diff=43934772&oldid=43934752 (Edit summary translation: In short, the law doesn't say that) http://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedi

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On 5 October 2011 11:20, church.of.emacs.ml < church.of.emacs...@googlemail.com> wrote: > On 10/05/2011 06:25 AM, Aaron Adrignola wrote: > > I'm sure those on this list are familiar with the de.wikipedia poll on > the > > proposed image filter with its strong outcome on a particular side of the >

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On 10/05/2011 06:25 AM, Aaron Adrignola wrote: > I'm sure those on this list are familiar with the de.wikipedia poll on the > proposed image filter with its strong outcome on a particular side of the > debate. I am quite concerned about the precedent that it.wikipedia is being > allowed to set. S

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter again (was: WMF blog post...)

On 5 October 2011 10:45, Lodewijk wrote: > (changing the topic, since hijacking a thread is considered inpolite) > > I think indeed they are incomparable. One is an internal political > discussion, the other is totally external and legal. So de.wiki doing this would be merit-less because it is

[Foundation-l] Con rispetto per questa azione coraggiosa

Hi folks, the german community made the decision to have a short notice about the issue on the front page as well (see: Wikipedia aktuell) http://de.wikipedia.org In addition there's a support letter you can sign: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Solidarit%C3%A4tserkl%C3%A4rung_mit_dem_it

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On 10/05/11 2:06 AM, Béria Lima wrote: > Not really Ray. And even so, the problem is not the fear of getting > arrested, is more the cost of a law suit. In Italy (as in some other Latin > countries) law suits are expensive (really, REALLY expensives) and take > forever to end. Lawsuits can be expe

[Foundation-l] Image filter again (was: WMF blog post...)

(changing the topic, since hijacking a thread is considered inpolite) I think indeed they are incomparable. One is an internal political discussion, the other is totally external and legal. That alone makes it a totally different discussion - because I still believe the Wikimedia Foundation will b

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

Am 05.10.2011 10:46, schrieb Ray Saintonge: > On 10/04/11 6:03 AM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: >> The question is that the server are in USA, but for the penal law it's >> sufficient to edit from the Italian country. >> >> I am in a special situation because I live in Switzerland and I >> publish in USA

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

Not really Ray. And even so, the problem is not the fear of getting arrested, is more the cost of a law suit. In Italy (as in some other Latin countries) law suits are expensive (really, REALLY expensives) and take forever to end. _ *Béria Lima* (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

On 5 October 2011 09:26, Jalo wrote: > > > > If you don't even think that is a comparable situation, then you clearly > > don't understand at all what some people think the image filter is all > > about. > > > > You're comparing a wiki without images with a world (the italian world) > without wik

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

On 10/04/11 6:03 AM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > The question is that the server are in USA, but for the penal law it's > sufficient to edit from the Italian country. > > I am in a special situation because I live in Switzerland and I > publish in USA servers, but for the main numbers of Italian edito

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

Jalo, it's all about perception: perceived effects and perceived consequences. People's reactions are based on their perceptions and judgements, since we're not robots. So if a group of people perceives it to be equally bad, they may take an equal action, regardless of whether or not you agree with

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

> > If you don't even think that is a comparable situation, then you clearly > don't understand at all what some people think the image filter is all > about. > You're comparing a wiki without images with a world (the italian world) without wiki. To me, it seems to be "slightly" different ___

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

On 5 October 2011 09:03, M. Williamson wrote: > If you don't even think that is a comparable situation, then you clearly > don't understand at all what some people think the image filter is all > about. Indeed. As a supporter (to some extent) of an image filter; I can entirely see how it could

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

If you don't even think that is a comparable situation, then you clearly don't understand at all what some people think the image filter is all about. 2011/10/5 Lodewijk > If you even think that is a comparable situation, then you clearly don't > understand at all what this law is all about. > >

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

If you even think that is a comparable situation, then you clearly don't understand at all what this law is all about. Lodewijk No dia 5 de Outubro de 2011 09:39, emijrp escreveu: > "The Wikimedia Foundation supports the rights of all people to access our > free knowledge content everywhere in

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

"The Wikimedia Foundation supports the rights of all people to access our free knowledge content everywhere in the world" The Wikimedia Foundation supports a damn. Now, all Wikipedias know that it is allowed to blank the entire site when community doesn't like things. For example, the image filte

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

You heard about consensus and anti-censorship actions: all is allowed with community polls as seen in Italian Wikipedia yesterday. German Wikipedia, go ahead and blank your wiki is WMF try to force the image filtering on you. The same for other Wikipedias that don't agree with the filter. Enjoy th

Re: [Foundation-l] Blackout at Italian Wikipedia

2011/10/5 Samuel Klein : > > CLPI has a good practical summary of the law in this area: >  http://www.clpi.org/the-law/faq interesting: Q. If a charity incorporated in this country has an Australian (for example) affiliate that lobbies (according to United States definitions of lobbying) and the