Hello all --
There is an ongoing discussion about a possible global biographies of living
people policy at Meta.[1]
Any input / comments / suggestions / etc. would be welcome on the talk page.
Best --
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[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/BLP
Hey all --
Just heard that Steve Kent (Head of Office IT Support) got fired. Is this
just a wild rumor? If not, what's the backstory?
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MZMcBride wrote:
Just heard that Steve Kent (Head of Office IT Support) got fired.
Is this just a wild rumor? If not, what's the backstory?
Erik just updated the staff template (about half an hour ago).[1] Seems the
rumor is true.
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[1]
http
It's a simple question: what the fuck is the hold-up for FlaggedRevisions on
the English Wikipedia?
Thanks,
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and it slips by yet again, what's the consequence to those
running the project?
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or wiki since she was hired. At all.
Everybody is also keenly aware that this is a high-profile, high-priority
project.
High-profile, high-priority? This has been in development for years and
years and still isn't finished. What on Earth happens to the low priorities?
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William Pietri wrote:
On 02/28/2010 08:59 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
I watch a live feed of every edit and action to the FlaggedRevisions labs
site http://flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org and I've been the one doing the
admin promotions on there since September 2009.
Can you point to where you're
for
one young, talented engineer. And we're also grateful to William and
Howie for helping to guide the process, especially after Brion's
departure.
So we can expect to see FlaggedRevs enabled on the English Wikipedia when?
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that concretely
list the progress that's being made with regard to FlaggedRevs development.
What can be done to see that idea implemented as soon as possible?
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it's getting in the
way of useful discussion.
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and
development has been done at Meta-Wiki. Why isn't Meta being used for this?
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analysis of language selections or redirecting users
based on their language preference is creepy. It might be a usability
issue or something else, but not creepy.
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19:27, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/amp;
[2] http://www.wikipedia.org
Magnus Manske wrote:
Subject: Wikipedia e-mail
To: Magnus Manske
Dear active administrator,
[nonsense]
Why are you forwarding this?
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? Or are Swedish Wikipedia just ahead of the
curve?
See http://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=351304445#Wikipedia_logo_use_.3F
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with participation is ludicrous.
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.[1]
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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2010_March_29
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Mike Godwin wrote:
Darn it! A waste, I say! And I worked so hard to give you
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy.
Huh, neat. I'm not sure there was an announcement about that, but it's nice
to know it's there!
MZMcBride
to find the
content of the reply to the previous message.
The Toolserver wiki has a fantastic page that explains how to reply to a
mailing list thread the Right Way.[1] If you suspect you've been Doing It
Wrong, please have a read.
Thanks!
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[1] https://wiki.toolserver.org/view
information and makes the
entire list more readable for everyone.
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Chad wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:41 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Hello --
Some of the people posting to this mailing list don't seem to understand how
to write a decent, readable reply to a mailing list thread...
What possible good did you see coming from this thread
expect to release again next week, and each week thereafter until
this goes live on the English Wikipedia.
Just for clarification, release means updating the software being run on
the labs site?
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Doing something good in the worst possible way. Is this not completely par
for the course for Wikimedia? Few people should be surprised.
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to be made by the board on this subject?
For what it's worth, Jay Walsh has posted a QA at
wikimediafoundation.org.[1]
It seems like a lot of bullshit and spin to me, but perhaps there are
nuggets of valuable information buried somewhere in there.
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[1] http://wikimedia.org/wiki
the images,
you re-deleted and continued your rampage.
Anything for a headline? What a jackass you are.
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of toeing the
party line, and for that, I'm pretty disappointed.
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active intervention and rule-making promote free
speech or, at a minimum, do it no harm. I'm still not seeing it.
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[1]
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=38835388oldid=38835233#Record
_keeping
[2] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-May/057896.html
to be deliberate
smoke-throwing here.
Please, focus on the important issues and tell whoever is suggesting that
this is one of them to stop erecting pseudo-hurdles that only further delay
deployment.
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, everyone can get
distracted spending six months focusing on the annual fundraiser and we'll
see you in 2011. Think I'm wrong? Prove it.
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simply been
missing them, but that would be surprising to me and would indicate a
problem of a different nature.
Thanks.
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[1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff
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is a nice goal, but it
isn't always the best pragmatically. And in this case, pragmatism should
beat out idealism.
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is True
Jesus Church.
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[1] http://toolserver.org/~mzmcbride/count-langlinks.txt
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is to create a
page there for others to add comments?
Meta-Wiki is the Wikimedia community's wiki. Go there and create a dialogue.
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Ryan Lomonaco wrote:
A housekeeping note: Gmail has been marking some list messages as spam for
the past five days or so.
Google is evil.
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Neither article appears to be written in Simple English (or whatever the
Simple English Wikipedia has contrived to mean Simple English).
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vote user blocked to 22hour One suggestion,Apear to 22hour.
Do it later.Or your think to Ideas.
MOTOI Kenkichi
I think this is the most insightful post to foundation-l in about three
years.
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these
global banners should be used for non-fundraising-related reasons.
I've advertised the Requests for comment at the English wiki projects and
obviously I'm advertising it to foundation-l. Please feel free to advertise
it elsewhere, as you see fit.
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[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki
at the ongoing RFC concerning their use.[1]
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[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Global_banners
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the site less usable for long-term Wikimedia contributors.
To each his own, though.
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blocking of global accounts) and 23114
(CentralAuth: global suppression with this extension should use
autoblock).[2][3]
Bug 23114 is marked fixed, though I don't know if that means it's live on
Wikimedia wikis and I don't know if global suppression is treated the same
as global locking.
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there's a toggle somewhere above the main
input area when drafting an e-mail.
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to a larger candidate pool and audience.
One might suggest that the people spending their day on Twitter reading
Wikimedia's wikimediaatwork feed aren't going to be the best prospective
employees.
Again, thanks for creating a feed. :-)
MZMcBride
, Wikimedia ends up doing a lot of things
poorly. That seems to be the main point in the original poster's message.
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to import once and then linger forever.
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. There is
absolutely no issue with dissent on this list (or on any Wikimedia mailing
list). Thoughtful critics and criticism should always be welcome. The view
you're putting forward is simply and unequivocally wrong.
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the people who worked on the
usability tests previously have insight into this, though.
I also think saying public talk page will draw a misleading distinction in
users' minds. That is, it suggests that there might be a private talk page
(or any privacy on the wiki at all, for that matter).
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channel?
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clarifications on this would be great!
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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Apps
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Anthony wrote:
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 8:22 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
This morning the Wikimedia Foundation had a meeting about migrating to
Google Apps.
Using Google Apps for what?
My understanding is that it would be used for e-mail, calendars, and Google
Docs primarily
, particularly when you consider what
impact this might have from a public relations/perceptions standpoint.
I think the broader issue of Wikimedia using non-open source software is one
that needs clarification, as it still seems very murky to me.
MZMcBride
[1]
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style
Jon Davis wrote (among other things):
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 17:22, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
I had a few questions about this migration.
Has the decision to use Google Apps been finalized? If so, who made the
final decision?
Yes, the decision has been made. Office IT did
there and I doubt you'd
hear many complaints, but you'd be getting millions of views each month.
;-)
Calling Special:Search the most popular page (or basing fundraising
theories on it) is dangerous and often misleading work.
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their search box input. That's
where the be careful warning came from.
Calling Special:Search the most popular page (or basing fundraising
theories on it) is dangerous and often misleading work.
I'm not convinced of this assertion yet.
Well, you should be.
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of a Wikipedia
article. It seems antithetical to the point of the Internet and the creation
of an online encyclopedia.
Maybe I'm just missing something. The whole thing has always felt very odd
to me, though.
MZMcBride
[1]
http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2010/11/10/wikipedia-hard-cover-editions-now
Tim Starling wrote:
On 11/11/10 19:47, MZMcBride wrote:
I don't understand why this specific company/organization has been given
special status (when there are surely thousands of companies looking to
partner with Wikimedia). They had a custom MediaWiki extension installed[2]
that has a very
-profit status), which
begs the question of why this particular for-profit company is exceptional.
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and try to figure out what made them seemingly special.
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Tim Starling wrote:
On 12/11/10 13:23, MZMcBride wrote:
They negotiated with Wikimedia? Where and when? How many thousands of
companies would like their links in the sidebar of the fifth most-visited
website in the world? Are they really that good at negotiating? On the
English Wikipedia
. If the form submission code were open source, would it be acceptable
to put a link to such an article-writing service on every page?
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about
this. I'm just asking questions. :-)
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Fred Bauder wrote:
[a bunch of inflammatory comments]
... and an entire mailing list facepalms. Good grief, Fred.
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attention, I think.
There should be some appeals from editors very shortly. I can't guarantee
that this link will work forever, but you can see a prototype banner here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeTemplate/viewtemp
late=2010_Editor_Banner1_US
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on Meta-Wiki)? If not, is there any virtue
to this idea?
If there is virtue to this idea, it seems like it might be reasonable to
investigate whether a Wikimedia fellow could hold this position.[3]
MZMcBride
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
[2] http://www.npr.org/blogs
most
disagreements come from the Wikimedia Foundation not adhering to its
principles, values, and mission as closely as some feel it should. This
includes a commitment to transparency and accountability.
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, but they don't seem to do any actual
moderating (in the social or technical sense). That seems to be a large part
of the problem with nearly every thread like this.
Is there some sort of unspoken rule that all foundation-l moderators must be
absentee landlords?
MZMcBride
Anthony wrote:
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
This list has mailing list moderators, but they don't seem to do any actual
moderating (in the social or technical sense). That seems to be a large part
of the problem with nearly every thread like
difficult to explain, but if you've ever been on
a forum or mailing list with a good moderator, I think you'll know what I'm
talking about.
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Ryan Lomonaco wrote:
Enough, everyone. I don't think anyone knows what the hell this
conversation is about anymore. I certainly don't.
WJhonson is on moderation for the time being.
MZMcBride wrote:
And, yes, I'll agree that the few times software moderation has
been used on this list
be changed immediately.
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incredibly close to crossing
the line. Calling Sue Wikipedia Executive Director clearly crosses the
line. From reading your posts today, I believe you agree.
While I didn't and wouldn't raise the issue of criminality here, the sleazy
tactics are in the fundraising approach, not in the criticism.
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as a duplicate bug.
Hope that helps.
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Michael Snow wrote:
On 12/9/2010 3:28 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
Calling Jimmy Wikipedia founder was already incredibly close to crossing
the line. Calling Sue Wikipedia Executive Director clearly crosses the
line. From reading your posts today, I believe you agree.
While I didn't and wouldn't
has not gone unnoticed or unappreciated. Keep up the good
work!
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page:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17316
There's even a really nice design proposal attached to the bug:
http://bug-attachment.wikimedia.org/attachment.cgi?id=7633
It's just on the list, though.
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Replacement is on order.
I don't follow. The latest stats at that link currently are from June 2009.
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Fred Bauder wrote:
http://knowino.org/wiki/Welcome!
Anything particularly notable about this site? It looks like another drop in
the sea of Wikipedia clones.
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Marc Riddell wrote:
On 19/12/2010 23:07, Fred Bauder wrote:
There can be no viable alternative to Wikipedia.
This is the type of thinking that sets you up to being blindsided.
In this case, that sounds like a feature, not a bug.
MZMcBride
.). Perhaps a requests page
of some kind is needed at Meta-Wiki with guidelines for what the available
options are, what's generally appropriate for specific types of messages,
and offer a place for people to submit banner requests?
MZMcBride
] or Bugzilla.[2] Those are the venues where developers are
paying (more) attention and there's a much higher likelihood of your ideas
being acted on (or at least discussed and considered).
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[1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[2] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org
to change this configuration setting on the English Wikipedia is also
dubious given the current political realities.
For reference, you can see which wikis restrict the 'createpage' right by
looking at the public Wikimedia configuration files.[5]
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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
in the way?
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you an approximate count:
* http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff
* http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_contractors
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funding needs to
keep Wikipedia ad-free. However, the money to actually keep the site up and
running was raised weeks ago. Misleading readers is acceptable if it can
help Wikimedia reach its goal, right?
It's all about money. Principles are dead.
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of the
readership.
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they have nothing to celebrate or commemorate.
Perhaps they'd want to change their logos on their own birthdays or
decennials.
I believe it's still possible to change the logo by changing File:Wiki.png
on certain Wikimedia wikis. Check the configuration files at
noc.wikimedia.org.
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to. But that doesn't change the facts, even if people will be partying
in six of seven continents. Don't be silly.
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demographics that Wikimedia is now trying to
attract... food for thought.
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[1] http://blog.wikimedia.org/?p=2748
[2] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Advisory_Board
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feel you haven't answered. You're obviously free
to not answer them ever, but I do want to make sure that your reply to the
opening thread isn't viewed as a response to most of the questions asked
about/to you.
MZMcBride wrote:
More importantly, is there a concern about an Advisory Board member being
of the biggest portions of Wikimedia's five-year plan (which you
didn't help write, I get it!). But your snide answers to legitimate
questions only serves to highlight the exact problems and concerns that most
people have been quietly observing in you. Good work.
MZMcBride
, there might be more serious
issues to address and examine here.
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questions being asked, but perhaps that's a predictable
(albeit unfortunate) response.
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input, so it's natural for you not to really know what
I'm talking about or understand my concerns. I don't mean that in any rude
way, I really don't.
Thank you for your feedback. I appreciate it.
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, even speaking just as any old volunteer.
I don't think Jimmy was calling _me_ a troll. I assume (in good faith) that
he was speaking generally.
Jimmy has previously made way too many off-the-cuff remarks that have gotten
him into hot water to repeat that mistake again, surely.
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Strainu wrote:
These messages can be improved by introducing internal links and references to
wiki* policies.
Why do you hate Wiktionary? ;-)
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and engagement. In
addition to these changes, I've filed a bug in Bugzilla to work on ways to
make wikimediafoundation.org more open to outside contributions.[11]
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[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Foundation_wiki_feedback
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert
, these statements weren't inaccurate at the time,
but now are.) Substantive changes such as these should be well-documented
and discussed.
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or contents of that announcement e-mail need to be kept
private, but I'll leave it up to that individual to make that call.
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after this change has been announced (and to an extent
implemented), I don't see how Wikimedia is respecting its volunteers or
their private information.
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condemning open discussion and debate in other posts (referring
here primarily to Steven's posts).
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