[Foundation-l] inadequate frame Re: Statement on appropriate educational content

out dealing with in-use images, because this could cause issues with inter-wiki politics. Apparently this was ignored, and now there are several complaints coming in from wikis outside commons. sincerely , Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

nitiative is being taken. We would like to contribute to ensuring that the initiative will actually be successful and bear fruit. btw, congratulations, I think I just volunteered you. ;-) Read you soon, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attach

Re: [Foundation-l] The Fox Article

On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 06:49:06PM -0400, Nathan wrote: > You read that article, and what you got from it is that *Eric* is > being unfair? Wow. I think he means they're being unfair to Eric :-) -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for ke

Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

the board on this subject? sincerly, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9 DD72 ___ foundation-l mai

Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

gt; us. Shall we also make similar proposals favoring the governments of China and Iran re political or religeous content? sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03

Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 05:30:09PM -0700, Sue Gardner wrote: > On 7 May 2010 16:07, Kim Bruning wrote: > > On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 12:30:18PM -0700, Michael Snow wrote: > >> announce-l still has issues. The Board of Trustees has directed me to > >> rele

Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 08:09:34PM +1000, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > > On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 03:58:10PM +1000, John Vandenberg wrote: > >> Instead of deleting pornographic content that we deem "important" to > &g

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

o accomodate Jwales disrupts a lot of other commons activity * I am worried about the [[Founder Effect]], in the negative sense. sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo Wales acting outside his remit

actions happen before, or after I talked with [Jimbo Wales] on irc today? (this was at 12:50) --Kim Bruning (talk) 19:38, 7 May 2010 (UTC) After kim, way after. TheDJ (talk) 19:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC) " Before 12:50, I could have said you "pulled an Ed Poor" [1]. After 12:50, I

Re: [Foundation-l] Where things stand now

sucks, but for political reasons it's kind of important to shoot first and ask questions later, for now. And it's only for these 71 images, you see, not much work to restore just the few we mess up" sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-sig

Re: [Foundation-l] Time to reset the 'founder' flag-- Jimbo is no longer a viable king.

", he can just ask a local user or steward to carry out the > decision instead of doing it himself with a founder flag. Seconded. That's what I do too! [1] sincerely, Kim Bruning [1] Except for the part about being the Godking. ;-) -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as

Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

On Sat, May 08, 2010 at 10:57:52AM -0400, Casey Brown wrote: > On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Kim Bruning wrote: > >> We already do what we can to help Muslims censor themselves. > >> > >> See [[Talk:Muhammad]], faq 4. > > > > Dang. > > > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

nd quicker to have done it right the first time round, and it wouldn't have even taken much more time at all. Oh well. If all you've got is lemons, it's time to make lemonade ;-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (ww

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

s his http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BerserkButton ! %-/ You better apologise. Maybe he'll let you live. ;-) sincerely, Kim Bruning Ps. You lose. -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED

Re: [Foundation-l] Removing questions about me and my role from this discussion

ll these years... ... it would be really nice to have a similar set of permissions for "retired" admins and stewards. Please? sincerely, Kim Bruning [1]It is always wise to work in pairs anyway. Ask Ward Cunningham, or any other Agile-type person you know! [2] This would

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 04:36:19AM -0400, Samuel Klein wrote: > On Fri, May 7, Noein wrote: > > > I'm powerless. Am I? I think many of us are having these very questions > > now. Is it good for the WMF that we're asking them? > > Eloquence is power. And it is good that you are asking. I always

[Foundation-l] It Has Begun Re: Appropriate surprise (Commons stuff)

hat the board's position and power is somewhat precarious at this point in time. They need to move quickly but *carefully*, should they wish to retain it. The cannot afford to get back on this in a few weeks. I forsee a few emergency midnight sessions... ;-) sincerely, Kim Bruning [*] T

Re: [Foundation-l] It Has Begun Re: Appropriate surprise (Commons stuff)

On Sun, May 09, 2010 at 08:42:16AM -0400, Samuel Klein wrote: > Hi, Kim. > > On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Kim Bruning wrote: > > > > Actually, things seem to be settling down, and admins are returning to > Commons. (though I'm sure you can find more dram

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

this. I would prefer those ideals to be applied non-hypocritically. Isn't the whole concept of peacefully sharing knowledge (wikis) a byproduct of "western liberal provincialism"? sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (w

Re: [Foundation-l] Where things stand now

eliable, timely intelligence in the first place. (Don't threaten to block people for talking back at you) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

! And now you say you approve of the > Commons community reversing your bad deletions. This capricious > behaviour is driving people from the projects. Actually, in Jimmy Wale's defence: This is the behaviour of someone who is a fast learner. :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [N

Re: [Foundation-l] It Has Begun Re: Appropriate surprise (Commons stuff)

utting that pitchfork down now, sir? :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9 DD72 ___ foundation-l mailing li

Re: [Foundation-l] Commons:Sexual content

ng things by. I've already emphasized that a bit already on the page, but more from the WARNING angle. Could you edit or comment on the page in a way that reflects what you just stated? :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] g

[Foundation-l] Google open sources VP8 -> WebM

WebM is a new open source video codec; That's interesting with a BSD-ish license; Ok, that's amazing Google did it; That's huge. The question to this esteemed community is thus: Shall we start using it? :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show p

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Foundation-l

> AGK Hmm, we had a similar issue with ru.wikibooks at one point, where some people thought they were "in charge", and had to be removed. sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Foundation-l

rned the "right" to spend some time on them > before we administratively kick them out. Try not to handle such > things too lightly. No, they have not. VestedContributor is an antipattern. sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attach

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

love to know what they're thinking. A quiet, noncommittal inquiry with some folks at ASCAP might be enlightening. No matter how they treat the request, it'd be good recon. And you never know, sometimes one can make a friend. :-) Who can we send? sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp

[Foundation-l] International_Safe_Harbor_Privacy_Principles

. :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Safe_Harbor_Privacy_Principles -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9 DD72

Re: [Foundation-l] Journal Boycott

lsevier citations' option. Coulw we start a WikiJournal of some sort? (Akin to WikiNews in operation, perhaps?) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] "We are the media, and so are you" Jimmy Wales and Kat Walsh OpEd in Washington Post

e are the media, and so are you Jimmy+Kat ++ :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] introduction (community communications for Wikidata)

out and I am even more passionate about doing it > right. Awesome plan! Minor naming detail: There's an extension called Wikidata too! O:-) http://svn.wikimedia.org/svnroot/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/Wikidata/ I haven't looked at that in a while. Heh, I wonde

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter

T The people who are pushing for filtering are mostly from what we traditionally regard as being the West. sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mail

[Foundation-l] CBC getting rid of physical archives(but not digitising all of them)

uot; http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/save-cbc-music-archives Is this accurate news? If so, can we (eg: commons/wikisource) help? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscr

Re: [Foundation-l] Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Stopping the presses:, , Britannica to stop printing books

ot a wp2 with tidied up and streamlined "policy" (redesign as a pattern language), integrated Prod/AFD, deprecated arbcom in favor of DRN, and most importantly: ensuring new users all get mentors. Acculturation failure has severely harmed WP1, we need some way to bring exp

[Foundation-l] Gliimpse: Animating From Markup Code To Rendered Result

Spotted this because it one of the demonstrated uses was with wikimarkup. How useful it actually is or is not is a different question. "Writing documents using markup languages isn't always easy. Take Wikipedia, for example: one often needs time to relocate the current focus when they switch betw

[Foundation-l] BDS (hopefully) FUD?

from Gaza and the West Bank is impossible, unless they receive special permits from the Israeli military to enter Israel in order to attend." To be able to actively counter this claim, can we confirm that all palestinian wikimedians who want to come are indeed coming? sincerely, K

Re: [Foundation-l] BDS (hopefully) FUD?

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 06:13:54PM +0200, Kim Bruning wrote: > > To be able to actively counter this claim, can we confirm that all > palestinian wikimedians who want to come are indeed coming? I've since done a little more research. I'm moving this question to wikim

Re: [Foundation-l] BDS (hopefully) FUD?

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 08:06:43PM +0200, Huib Laurens wrote: > When you use Wikimania and Isreal or Wiki(M/P)edia with the word > Isreal there will be 3 bots telling you not to go :-( Which bots are they? can you link to their twitter pages? sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pg

Re: [Foundation-l] Black market science

nt and open access > message. You cannot do science in a system with these effects. Might be a good point in time to point out "right to read" to those who haven't read it yet? http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

nd perhaps further amendment, clarification, or retraction by the foundation might be needed. sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 9

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

irtually every editor's computer had copies of whole > chunks of Wikimedia projects, starting first and foremost with your > own contributions to the projects. > > Such a wiki is inevitable, I just hope we can be the ones to develop it. Would Ward Cunningham be ok? See ht

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

h > "the community hate this idea *this much*"). So it's still killable. Actually, there's no "do you want this" question. It's all more along the lines of "Choose! Choose the form of your destructor!" [1] So I picked the Stay-Puft Marshm

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

case, as long as we have another round after this, possibly things will end up ok in the long term. sincerely, Kim Bruning -- "be professional, be polite, have a plan to reach consensus with everyone you meet" ___ foundation-l maili

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

teps == I suggest that we now concentrate on constructively discussing the meta-data ecology; including viability, security, and practicality. sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 06:03:24PM +0200, Kim Bruning wrote: > To wit, the proposed implementation of a category system for > controversial content (required for many plausible implementations > of this point) is exploitable by 3rd parties and/or can lead to > in-community conflicts;

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

n practice. I'm going to assume in good faith that the board was not aware of this minor flaw. But I can't really stretch it much further. Could board members please chime in and elucidate? sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as atta

Re: [Foundation-l] The Yodeling diploma

art, self-motivated, etc etc... But people do still feel that everyone *else* is a dumb drone. *sigh*. Still, one can earn a living just fixing that. :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9D

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 12:10:12PM -0700, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Kim Bruning wrote: > > I would then like to point out that there is no practical way to > > make a value-neutral categorisation scheme to use for filtering. > > > > Th

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

er the categories that are blessed (cursed) by the image-hiding system are now potentially non-neutral. Due to the way wikis work: by day ~365, the categories will very likely be non-neutral in practice. We'll then be in the same situation as if we had started out with non-neutral categories i

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

for details). Even if we *never* build the image hider itself, but just prepare special categories for it, we would be participating in (stages of) censorship. sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Finger

[Foundation-l] Nudge. Re: Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?

mania_in_Haifa and http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=WikimediaIL#grid/uploads Both are so far incomplete. Consider this a nudge! sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:40:24PM +0100, Andrew Gray wrote: > On 26 August 2011 12:35, Kim Bruning wrote: > > >> This implies that the proposed image hiding feature is a less repressive > >> form of censorship. I do not see the proposed feature as censorship - all >

Re: [Foundation-l] Board resolutions on controversial content and images of identifiable people

The status quo is that anyone can edit an article or enter a discussion about the article. I don't understand why you would say it is take-it-or-leave-it. I can still, today, as an anon, remove or add images as I see fit. This is permitted and even encouraged, provided that wh

Re: [Foundation-l] Learning about cultural diversity from US diplomacy

On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 08:32:59AM +0200, Milos Rancic wrote: > So, to understand the circumstances around building community or > chapter in particular country, I strongly suggest reading relevant > cables. <3 Lots of work. > > And, BTW, Wikipedia articles could be improved thanks to those cabl

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

ight- cause for concern, perhaps. I'd like to run some sort of audit to allay potential concerns. Any ideas as to practicability and/or execution? sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72

Re: [Foundation-l] Learning about cultural diversity from US diplomacy

Wikinews would be perfect, except they have the whole news angle, which is not really all too handy for the longer work involving a lot of digging. If not, can we start one? :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- "And if that don't work, use MORE consensus!" __

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

man people would want > to filter out, even if none of them are offended by sex, violence, or > images of Muhammad. I...I don't think so. sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

n on such a filter. That doesn't mean > that other people shouldn't be allowed to if they want to. Right, but then they won't be educated. But, if they don't want to be educated, erm, why are they using an encyclopedia in t

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 09:29:25PM +0100, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 4 September 2011 20:28, Kim Bruning wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 09:16:42PM +0100, Thomas Dalton wrote: > >> > The trouble is that at its edges, education is fundamentally > >> > disconcerti

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

ng fair use either. In practice, some people fubared things, and now it's grandfathered in. Also, de.wikipedia uses Commons 100% iirc. Commons also only hosts actual free (as in speech) images. Because -hey- that's their mission. sincerely, Kim Bruning _

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

sed how a category system that starts out innocent and neutral can be subverted to serve in a censorship role. No one has found solutions how to prevent that from happening. AMA certainly hasn't been able to do so in the last 60 years. We might be smarter than AMA, but it's a hard pro

Re: [Foundation-l] A reminder about mission statements and vision statements.

On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 05:04:43PM -0400, Sarah Stierch wrote: > On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > > > > > Why? Because our mission is to make things free (as in speech). > > You may have heard about that ;-) > > > > > Here is WMF

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

the danger of "prejudicial labelling", which is a "tool for censorship" (according to AMA); prejudicial labelling is not -in itself- censorship. I can imagine how people can get tired/are lazy/don't want to split hairs. :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp ma

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 05:30:11PM -0400, Sarah Stierch wrote: > in #wikilove (and frustration sometimes!), You're certainly very graceful, online. :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 10:50:26PM +0100, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 4 September 2011 21:18, Kim Bruning wrote: > > I really wish people would read previous discussions. > > I read the discussions, I just don't see any merit in the arguments. > Of course the labels are

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

t see the danger, and blithely cross the line anyway. (Thus proving my point for me much better than anything I could say myself O:-) ) sincerely, Kim Bruning citation: http://www.ala.org/ala/issuesadvocacy/intfreedom/librarybill/interpretations/labelingrating.cfm -- WAR IS P

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

ite something > that finesses as much as possible of the feedback. I think we should definitely consult with the community a bit more, and do so properly. There are multiple fork-risks if the foundation pushes forward, rightly or wrongly. sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp m

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 07:09:13PM +0200, Lodewijk wrote: > > I do however not understand why we are having the fundamental discussion all > over again. Ok, I'll bite. When did we have it the first time? :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pg

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

reme case- actually locking out admins for a while [2] We can think up some rules and make some bets on the outcome if you like. Wanna play? :-) Sincerely, Kim Bruning [1] Damage as expressed in SEO terms. [2] This would require a corporate proxy acting agressively based on data derived

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

nt to stop running those wikis, kill off those communities, harvest the content; and start using ye olde Nupedia model to polish the final product. (Of course, I do have an opinion on whether or not an encyclopedia can be considered "finished" at a point in time dominated by Moore'

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

t to see, > and not seeing the article at all? Well, if you put it that way, then yes, very much better. ;-) sincerely, Kim Bruning [*] Case in point. ;-) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: http

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

u're convinced nothing can go wrong, you can join blue team. Of course, I'll be playing on red team. }:-)> #include evil_laughter.h; Afterwards, we can swap, to see if the other team can hold blue. sincerely, Kim Bruning ___

Re: [Foundation-l] The systematic and codified bias against non-Western articles on Wikinews

'm very pro-wikinews in general) Wikinews' slowness was less of an issue a few years ago, (but still somewhat present) when we _nearly_ scooped the NSA domestic wiretapping story. :-/ So the process is definitely something worth working on

Re: [Foundation-l] The systematic and codified bias against non-Western articles on Wikinews

hat several wikinewsies have quit in disgust over the level of foundation assistance in the past (to call a fork a fork). But it could be that things have improved now? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@li

Re: [Foundation-l] The systematic and codified bias against non-Western articles on Wikinews

English > Wikinews that speak Japanese. I speak OODLES of languages... ... as long as I am online, and have access to google translate. O:-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikim

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

de! :-D sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] EU Consultation on Open Access (deadline coming soon)

se fundamental > topics (i.e. access to scientific information and knowledge). This questionnaire was quite fun! You can fill it in as a citizen, (which I did) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikime

Re: [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)

d be happy to comply. So far, only Kosovo and Albania would be capable of pulling it off though O:-) sincerely, Kim Bruning (Who was very impressed by the FLOSSK folks) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe

Re: [Foundation-l] EU Consultation on Open Access (deadline coming soon)

On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 11:50:13PM -0500, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > > > > You can fill it in as a citizen, (which I did) > > > Who, me? Haha, yes, you too, provided you're in an EU country. :-) Sincerely,

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 05:30:54PM +0200, Kim Bruning wrote: > On Tue, Sep 06, 2011 at 05:51:40PM +0200, Lodewijk wrote: > > The question shouldn't [...] be about whether we want to > > offer [...] people [...] Wikipedia? ( just as a note: This "quote" is intende

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

works, why are we trying to help them? sincerely, Kim Bruning Who wants to run a censorship wiki-wargame. (As soon as I have some time off again ;-) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsu

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

SK)! Incidentally, from a "interacting with people outside your peer group" perspective. most forms of (innocious!) filtering are *disasterous* [2]. sincerely, Kim Bruning [1] This was patently impossible, as I had never set foot in the americas at that point in time. [2

Re: [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)

On Wed, Sep 07, 2011 at 05:44:58AM +0200, Mike Dupont wrote: > Hi, > we have been using archive.org for our conference videos, it works pretty > good. > mike \o/ Yes, and the "we" in this case are AWESOME people. :-D (if only because they make the trains run on time... I mean... get the videos o

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

senfranchise anyone who might have been in a position to help them). Why? Because it puts a wedge between producers and consumers, even while we're attempting to create a prosumer class. I do lose a bit of sleep over that. sincerely, Kim Bruning _

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

producers think they know what consumers want. Which > never really works. That's why I oppose producers. > By contrast your approach/attitude creates the exact dichotomy you claim to > oppose. I think that our original approach has had a proven track record. It's only after pe

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

think they surely must have a different risk assesment. :-) So that explains some of my practical reasons for being somewhat skeptical -not of the filter- but of the category system behind it. sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l m

Re: [Foundation-l] Very sad news

On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 01:52:40AM +0200, emijrp wrote: > Michael S. Hart has died http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Michael_S._Hart ;-( ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listi

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

to promote a rating scheme, please do so elsewhere. sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9 DD72 __

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

he board to move for a filter now. It plays right into the hands of these thoroughly nasty people. sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

yclopedia, most rating agencies would > decide that the content is appropriate for all ages. That's an interesting perspective, and one which we haven't fully explored yet. :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- The early worm gets the bird.

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

rtable, I know I'm probably getting closer to the reality of matters. This is not always entirely pleasant at first. sincerely, Kim Bruning [1] http://www.thefilterbubble.com/ted-talk ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.

Re: [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)

ill finish edit, > upload, and tag them.. > > http://www.youtube.com/WikimediaIL <3 <3 <3 \o/ <3 <3 <3 sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

' for whatever reason. Are there any issues with the current article, then? sincerely, Kim Bruning -- [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 5ED6 E215 73EE AD8

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 09:24:36AM +0100, Tom Morris wrote: > On Thursday, September 8, 2011, Kim Bruning wrote: > > > That said, even a self controlled filter can be problematic qua bias > > (especially if you're not sure entirely how to control it) [1] > > > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

referendum%2FResults%2Fen&action=historysubmit&diff=2880100&oldid=2880046 Awesome. That puts so much into perspective :-) Thank you for answering that question, Sue! I'll go apply the Feynman algorithm some more now. :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- 1. Write down the prob

Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats

de ... is an on-wiki filter. I am proposing something ...errr... categorically different from that. ;-) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

isfied with Wikinews. > The new wiki has finished its creation stage and is about ready to publish > news articles. Wow, that was a long time coming. I wish we could have worked together with wikinews better, and I wish theopenglobe the best of luck going forward. :-) sinc

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

n all still help out. It's a wiki, after all! :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning -- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

by WMF. They couldn't get essential components deployed for 2 years or so. I'm not sure what the entire set of circumstances was. Someone should probably do a debrief and postmortem. sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ founda

Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

hen congratulate everyone when they cut off the fat. One day I'm going to write a manual, and that move is going to be in there. ;-) sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.

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