Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2007-01-16 Thread Murray Cumming
On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 20:49 +, Andrew Sobala wrote: [snip] So let's link to it from www.gnome.org, and we're finished with this. Am I right? The signatures drive http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/Signatures was quite successful, so I plan to go ahead with this. -- Murray Cumming

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-12 Thread Quim Gil
I forgot to say that I can be arrogant myself. Arrogance is always better perceive by the others. -- Quim Gil /// http://desdeamericaconamor.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-08 Thread Telsa Gwynne
Ar Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 03:02:42PM +0100, ysgrifennodd Dave Neary: The feeling of the board (a majority opinion, rather than unanimous) is that the code of conduct would be more hurt than helped by being pushed by us. Its adoption really needs to be bottom-up. The issue is divisive, even

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-08 Thread Dave Neary
Hi Telsa, Telsa Gwynne wrote: Ar Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 03:02:42PM +0100, ysgrifennodd Dave Neary: The feeling of the board (a majority opinion, rather than unanimous) is that the code of conduct would be more hurt than helped by being pushed by us. Its adoption really needs to be bottom-up.

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-04 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 20:04 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 19:43 +0100, Danilo Šegan wrote: Today at 18:44, Murray Cumming wrote: But yes, I'll try the endorsement strategy if I have to. I prefer Adrian Custer's suggestion. Tell me where to sign! :) Let's

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 05:50:53PM +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 20:04 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 19:43 +0100, Danilo Šegan wrote: Today at 18:44, Murray Cumming wrote: But yes, I'll try the endorsement strategy if I have to. I

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-04 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 18:53 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: I signed the code of conduct under the strict condition that there is no official enforcement of these principles, and that it should not be interpreted like a legal document. s/condition/assumption/ ? No. It's a condition that I

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-04 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 07:27:27PM +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 18:53 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: I signed the code of conduct under the strict condition that there is no official enforcement of these principles, and that it should not be interpreted like a legal

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-04 Thread Murray Cumming
This seems wildly tangential. There's a loss of perspective. The code of conduct is rather unlikely to become the tool of a fascist regime. If you think that is a significant risk then just don't sign the thing. It already has clear language saying that it's not a legal document and there's no

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-04 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 20:45 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: This seems wildly tangential. There's a loss of perspective. The code of conduct is rather unlikely to become the tool of a fascist regime. If you think that is a significant risk then just don't sign the thing. I agree and I too think

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-04 Thread Andrew Sobala
Olav Vitters wrote: On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 07:27:27PM +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 18:53 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: I signed the code of conduct under the strict condition that there is no official enforcement of these principles, and that it should not be

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-04 Thread Elijah Newren
On 12/4/06, Andrew Sobala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has 82 signatures. Last year 169 members could be bothered to vote for the board. It sounds like we've pretty much got community adoption now, or will in a couple of days ;-) Additionally, the mailing list consensus is that no top-down

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-03 Thread Adam Schreiber
On 12/3/06, Danilo Šegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday at 4:03, Mariano Suárez-Alvarez wrote: Should the CoC page be frozen or something? Signing something on a Wiki is rather strange... Good point. I've subscribed myself to CoC page, so I can unsign it if it changes in a way I

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-02 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Alan Horkan wrote: Code of conduct: Dont be an asshat I'm baffled as to why the board cannot agree on this. Let me be clear: The vast majority of the board (I think everyone) agrees with the idea of a code of conduct. That is not in question. But I don't think that imposing a code

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-02 Thread Alan Horkan
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Dave Neary wrote: Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2006 10:24:47 +0100 From: Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Foundation-List foundation-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Code of conduct (bis) Hi, Alan Horkan wrote: Code of conduct: Dont

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-02 Thread Johannes Schmid
Hi Dave! But I don't think that imposing a code of conduct by High Command from the board is healthy, and I don't think it will help its adoption. Well, the board is no high court which comes from heavon but elected from all members of the GNOME Foundation. All members of the gnome community

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-02 Thread Alan Horkan
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Quim Gil wrote: I'm baffled as to why the board cannot agree on this. I sincerely hope we've gotten past the point where people still disagree with the basic idea and we are only arguing a matter of degrees. I think decisions like Olav's using the *CoC* to try to

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-01 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Murray Cumming wrote: On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 15:02 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: The feeling of the board (a majority opinion, rather than unanimous) is that the code of conduct would be more hurt than helped by being pushed by us. Its adoption really needs to be bottom-up. Thanks for being

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-01 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 18:31 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: [snip] The main use of a code being written down is to ensure that newcomers to the project know where they stand, what they can expect, and (if they don't respect the code) why they're being given out to. [snip] So let's assume this for

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-01 Thread Danilo Šegan
Today at 18:44, Murray Cumming wrote: But yes, I'll try the endorsement strategy if I have to. I prefer Adrian Custer's suggestion. Tell me where to sign! :) Cheers, Danilo ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-01 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 19:43 +0100, Danilo Šegan wrote: Today at 18:44, Murray Cumming wrote: But yes, I'll try the endorsement strategy if I have to. I prefer Adrian Custer's suggestion. Tell me where to sign! :) Let's see how this works out:

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-01 Thread Glynn Foster
Anne Østergaard wrote: Hi Murray and everyone I am in favor of a code of conduct. Here is my go of a text: I'm confused - now we have seemingly 2 codes of conduct. Which is the one to be signed? I'd be reluctant to sign anything that is in the process of changing. Glynn

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-01 Thread Murray Cumming
On Sat, 2006-12-02 at 09:24 +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: Anne Østergaard wrote: Hi Murray and everyone I am in favor of a code of conduct. Here is my go of a text: I'm confused - now we have seemingly 2 codes of conduct. Which is the one to be signed? The one that's on

Re: Code of conduct (bis)

2006-12-01 Thread Mariano Suárez-Alvarez
On Sat, 2006-12-02 at 09:24 +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: Anne Østergaard wrote: Hi Murray and everyone I am in favor of a code of conduct. Here is my go of a text: [snip] I'd be reluctant to sign anything that is in the process of changing. Should the CoC page be frozen or