Some perspective on how unimportant the board currently is.

2005-10-27 Thread Nat Friedman
The board of the GNOME foundation is populated by elected directors. These people are elected to make decisions. But, the board has almost no decision-making power. In fact, about the only power the board has is to spend money. For example, hiring Tim Ney. Or, firing him. Right now, Tim is

Re: Reducing the board size

2005-10-27 Thread Vincent Untz
Le jeudi 27 octobre 2005 à 09:49 -0600, Elijah Newren a écrit : > On 10/27/05, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, October 27, 2005 03:15, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > 7 is way too small to represent the diversity of our community. Consider > > > it in these terms: 2 people from 3 contri

Re: Nomination process should not be public until after deadline

2005-10-27 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 08:54:53AM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > Every member has the right to nominate herself/himself for the elections. > I don't think we want to change this :-) > > What I would love to see, though, is candidates announcing their candidacy > sooner. It's really not good to see

Re: Vote NO on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-27 Thread Andy Tai
This is elitism and reflects a club mentality. --- Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just for the record, also, I'll restate what I said > earlier- I'm > voting yes here because, quite simply, there are not > 11 qualified AND > motivated candidates every year. There have in most > years bee

Re: Reducing the board size

2005-10-27 Thread Andy Tai
Who are "we"? And what do you mean by "we can trust"? --- Tristan Van Berkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think we need people who a.) we can trust and b.) > who have the > time and energy to consider making radical decisions > as much as > conservative ones. > > It is also my understand

Re: Nomination process

2005-10-27 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi Alan, Le jeudi 27 octobre 2005 à 16:30 +0100, Alan Horkan a écrit : > > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:54:53 +0200 (CEST) > > From: Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: foundation-list@gnome.org > > Subject: Re: Nomination process > > > > On Thu, October 27, 2005 04:06, Alan Horkan wrote: > > >

Re: Reducing Board Size Referendum - Instructions sent

2005-10-27 Thread Germán Poó Caamaño
El mié, 26-10-2005 a las 00:31 +0200, Vincent Untz escribió: > Hi all, > > We have just sent the instructions for the referendum. Every member who > can vote for the referendum should have received an e-mail with > instructions explaining how to vote. > > If you have not received your e-mail, ple

Re: End does not justify the means [Was: Reducing the board size]

2005-10-27 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/27/05, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Thu, October 27, 2005 03:15, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > 7 is way too small to represent the diversity of our community. Consider > > > it in these terms: 2 people from 3 contributing companies and 1 other > > > person. > > > > > > No thank

Re: Reducing the board size

2005-10-27 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/27/05, Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, October 27, 2005 03:15, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > 7 is way too small to represent the diversity of our community. Consider > > it in these terms: 2 people from 3 contributing companies and 1 other > > person. > > > > No thanks. Our communit

Re: Nomination process

2005-10-27 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/27/05, Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:54:53 +0200 (CEST) > > From: Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: foundation-list@gnome.org > > Subject: Re: Nomination process > > > > On Thu, October 27, 2005 04:06, Alan Horkan wrote: > > > Irrespecitve of th

Re: Reducing the board size

2005-10-27 Thread Bill Haneman
Leslie Proctor wrote: Daniel Veillard wrote: I remember disagreeing strongly ! As did I when this idea was brought up when I was a board member. As did I. This is what I meant by "inferring a consensus where none exists" ! I'm sure you are speaking in entirely good faith Gl

Re: Nomination process

2005-10-27 Thread Alan Horkan
> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:54:53 +0200 (CEST) > From: Vincent Untz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: foundation-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Nomination process > > On Thu, October 27, 2005 04:06, Alan Horkan wrote: > > Irrespecitve of the board size is there anything which could be done to > > improve t

[maybe] Re: Vote YES on referendum to reduce board members

2005-10-27 Thread Mark Galassi
Just a note to the "vote YES" people: if you follow up on this thread you might want to change the subject line to have a YES in it -- from the point of view of political campaigning you want to reinforce (visually) the statement people should vote on. _

Re: Reducing the board size

2005-10-27 Thread Leslie Proctor
Daniel Veillard wrote: > I remember disagreeing strongly ! As did I when this idea was brought up when I was a board member. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list

Re: Reducing the board size

2005-10-27 Thread Daniel Veillard
On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 11:58:10PM +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: > Uh, didn't we stand up in front of the members at a GUADEC conference > and explain that we wanted to shrink the board down from 11 to 7? I > definitely remember that, and most of the people who were up on stage > were in agreement fro

Re: Reducing the board size

2005-10-27 Thread Anne Østergaard
On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 08:30 -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: > I've been following this discussion with interest. > > I don't think reducing the size of the board is a good idea, for all the > diversity and geographic representation arguments posted by others. > There is one other piece of reality we have

Re: Reducing the board size

2005-10-27 Thread Jim Gettys
I've been following this discussion with interest. I don't think reducing the size of the board is a good idea, for all the diversity and geographic representation arguments posted by others. There is one other piece of reality we have though I haven't heard mentioned: it is not uncommon for someo

Re: Reducing the board size

2005-10-27 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, On Thu, 2005-10-27 at 09:54 +0100, Bill Haneman wrote: > Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > >I'm saying no because in the general case, it's not basic agreement that is > >the problem, it's the finality and commitment of execution that is. Even on > >this particular issue, there was broad agreement a

Re: End does not justify the means [Was: Reducing the board size]

2005-10-27 Thread Vincent Untz
Hey, On Thu, October 27, 2005 09:33, Jeff Waugh wrote: > >> So, if I follow your logic, I would say we shouldn't accept more than 2 >> (or 3) people from the same company in a board with 11 directors. Does >> it sound like a change you would support? > > We could do that. However, I was using th

Re: Reducing the board size

2005-10-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
> Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > I'm saying no because in the general case, it's not basic agreement that > > is the problem, it's the finality and commitment of execution that is. > > Even on this particular issue, there was broad agreement among board > > members (in the past) that a smaller board wo

Re: Reducing the board size

2005-10-27 Thread Bill Haneman
Jeff Waugh wrote: I'm saying no because in the general case, it's not basic agreement that is the problem, it's the finality and commitment of execution that is. Even on this particular issue, there was broad agreement among board members (in the past) that a smaller board would be more capable

End does not justify the means [Was: Reducing the board size]

2005-10-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
> On Thu, October 27, 2005 03:15, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > 7 is way too small to represent the diversity of our community. Consider > > it in these terms: 2 people from 3 contributing companies and 1 other > > person. > > > > No thanks. Our community deserves a diverse board, and structured > > lead

Re: Reducing the board size

2005-10-27 Thread Jeff Waugh
> > This is only because the purpose of the board is badly defined and > > communicated. > > I think it is worth pointing out, that if the role of the board is better > defined in the future and if the board is "fixed", there is no reason that > the number of directors can not be increased again