Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-07 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 15:59 +0200, Anne Østergaard wrote: > > > Realistically, this plans needs to be written by you. Others will > help you > > > with it, but you need to create it and drive it. [snip] > I will work with the whole of the women in FLOSS community as well as > with the persons who w

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-05 Thread Quim Gil
El dj 01 de 06 del 2006 a les 10:51 -0500, en/na Shaun McCance va escriure: > there tends to > be a reasonably high percentage of women in technical jobs > that aren't necessarily programming (though they may involve > some programming), such as project management, tech writing, > graphic design, a

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-04 Thread Alan Cox
Ar Iau, 2006-06-01 am 17:50 -0400, ysgrifennodd Dominic Lachowicz: > This rubs me the wrong way. It's not like we're actively working to > exclude women, Asians, or Martians from GNOME. Nor are we actively > trying to make GNOME a boys-only club. Simply put, there's no > conscious, malicious intent

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-02 Thread Murray Cumming
>> I think it is a natural step to take after the EU and FLOSSPOLS report >> has shown that women are being excluded from the community.- > > This rubs me the wrong way. It's not like we're actively working to > exclude women, Asians, or Martians from GNOME. Nor are we actively > trying to make GN

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Dominic Lachowicz
I think it is a natural step to take after the EU and FLOSSPOLS report has shown that women are being excluded from the community.- This rubs me the wrong way. It's not like we're actively working to exclude women, Asians, or Martians from GNOME. Nor are we actively trying to make GNOME a boys-o

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread David Neary
Hi, Anne Østergaard wrote: > tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 18:57 +0200, skrev Murray Cumming: > I think it is a natural step to take after the EU and FLOSSPOLS report > has shown that women are being excluded from the community.- What I've seen shows that women are not participating in the community - th

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Germán Poó Caamaño
On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 22:21 +0200, Anne Østergaard wrote: > tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 18:57 +0200, skrev Murray Cumming: > > On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 14:57 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > [...] > > > Also if "Code of Conduct" is too strong then "Expected Behaviour" > > > perhaps. Personally I don't see a problem w

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Anne Østergaard
tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 18:57 +0200, skrev Murray Cumming: > On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 14:57 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > On Iau, 2006-06-01 at 14:33 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > > Hmm, how about people working together? It just seems that the person who > > > most most obviously wants this should be the

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 14:57 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > On Iau, 2006-06-01 at 14:33 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > > Hmm, how about people working together? It just seems that the person who > > most most obviously wants this should be the person trying to make it > > happen. > > I'd be wary of pursu

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Alan Cox
On Iau, 2006-06-01 at 14:33 +0200, Murray Cumming wrote: > Hmm, how about people working together? It just seems that the person who > most most obviously wants this should be the person trying to make it > happen. I'd be wary of pursuing just the "women in GNOME" issue, because many of the same t

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Anne Østergaard
tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 08:13 -0400, skrev Luis Villa: > On 6/1/06, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anne wrote: > > [snip] > > > I do not say this to start a new long debat in this tread. But it has > > > become obvious that the 1% participation of women in FLOSS is > > > embarrassing and

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/1/06, Luis Villa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/1/06, Anne Østergaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 09:05 -0400, skrev Luis Villa: > > On 6/1/06, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Luis Villa wrote: > > > > Such a plan should be written by s

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/1/06, Anne Østergaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 09:05 -0400, skrev Luis Villa: > On 6/1/06, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Luis Villa wrote: > > > Such a plan should be written by someone who has actually been > > > involved in IRC, our mailing

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Anne Østergaard
tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 16:27 +0300, skrev Baris Cicek: > Actually, it should be someone who is able to detect possible obstacles > that put Asians or Women out of GNOME (or in general Free Software). I > doubt that anyone have any emprical study about that. But is it harsh > and rude behavior of devel

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Dave Neary
Anne Østergaard wrote: > tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 09:05 -0400, skrev Luis Villa: >> On 6/1/06, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Any such plan would have to appeal to geek women - so who's >>> better placed to come up with a plan? A male geek or a female non-geek? >> A female geek? > > I woul

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Anne Østergaard
tor, 01 06 2006 kl. 09:05 -0400, skrev Luis Villa: > On 6/1/06, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Luis Villa wrote: > > > Such a plan should be written by someone who has actually been > > > involved in IRC, our mailing lists, bugzilla, etc., *as a developer*- > > > which, s

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Baris Cicek
Actually, it should be someone who is able to detect possible obstacles that put Asians or Women out of GNOME (or in general Free Software). I doubt that anyone have any emprical study about that. But is it harsh and rude behavior of developers or the community? Or technical limits? Or even communi

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/1/06, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Luis Villa wrote: > Such a plan should be written by someone who has actually been > involved in IRC, our mailing lists, bugzilla, etc., *as a developer*- > which, sorry, isn't Anne. It will not work if it is not driven by > someone with such

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Dave Neary
Hi, Luis Villa wrote: > Such a plan should be written by someone who has actually been > involved in IRC, our mailing lists, bugzilla, etc., *as a developer*- > which, sorry, isn't Anne. It will not work if it is not driven by > someone with such experience. That's not so. There's nothing preven

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Murray Cumming
> On 6/1/06, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Anne wrote: >> [snip] >> > I do not say this to start a new long debat in this tread. But it has >> > become obvious that the 1% participation of women in FLOSS is >> > embarrassing and we need to have a look at why this is the case and >>

Re: Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Luis Villa
On 6/1/06, Murray Cumming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anne wrote: [snip] > I do not say this to start a new long debat in this tread. But it has > become obvious that the 1% participation of women in FLOSS is > embarrassing and we need to have a look at why this is the case and make > some cultura

Women in GNOME (Was: Code Of Conduct)

2006-06-01 Thread Murray Cumming
Anne wrote: [snip] > I do not say this to start a new long debat in this tread. But it has > become obvious that the 1% participation of women in FLOSS is > embarrassing and we need to have a look at why this is the case and make > some cultural changes. > > I know that the Computer Science Departm