Re: Boston Summit 2013?
As far as I see, there are 3 different people working on this (or at least 2 plus another one interested in). It might be a good idea if you could coordinate between yourselves if you have not done that yet. Yes, I'll email James and Tristan (are there others?) to try to coordinate something. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 17:00 +0100, Jeff Fortin wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to let you know that I'm currently trying to organize this in Montréal, it would be lovely to have you folks here again. As far as I see, there are 3 different people working on this (or at least 2 plus another one interested in). It might be a good idea if you could coordinate between yourselves if you have not done that yet. We've been talking by email. If any other Montrealers are around, feel free to ping one of us. Cheers, James Regards, -- Germán Poo-Caamaño http://calcifer.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Do we have a wiki page yet for this summit? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 17:00 +0100, Jeff Fortin wrote: Hi all, I just wanted to let you know that I'm currently trying to organize this in Montréal, it would be lovely to have you folks here again. As far as I see, there are 3 different people working on this (or at least 2 plus another one interested in). It might be a good idea if you could coordinate between yourselves if you have not done that yet. Regards, -- Germán Poo-Caamaño http://calcifer.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Hi all, I just wanted to let you know that I'm currently trying to organize this in Montréal, it would be lovely to have you folks here again. I'm researching venues and talking to various local folks right now to see where we could find some free venue. It will take me some time but I'll get back to you, so don't cross Montréal from the list just yet ;) (if you need to reach me, c.c./mail me directly as I'm not subscribed) P.s.: I had someone suggest that we could co-host it with a LibreOffice summit (I don't see a reason not to). ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On 04/30/2013 07:21 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 19:03 +0200, Piñeiro wrote: [...] What is the point of that long previous paragraph? Sincerely, for me, taking into account that we are talking about a small event, just starting to move to a different city for the sake of moving is an overkill. AFAIU, the idea of doing it in different city is because of last incident in Boston. It is not for the sake of moving it. FWIW, you are the first one mentioning that reason on the thread. And as Benjamin opened the can of Europe is far far away from Portland, this is even worse for people living in small cities. In my case I assisted the Boston summit twice (2009, 2012). And it was a Coruña-Madrid-Boston. In the hypothetical case of repeating this year, that extra hop would mean Coruña-Madrid-Amsterdam-Portland or Coruña-Madrid-Seattle-Boston. But I'm under no illusion that for some that this might be harder to get to. I'm still working the venue and hopefully I'll have something by next week. Although working for the venue is appreciated, imho, is irrelevant. It is relevant. Without venue or people organizing the event there is no event. Yeah sorry, I didn't chose the proper word *. And probably it is complex to use just one word. Rewording my phrase: Although working for the venue is appreciated, I really think that it would be better to use that effort (so time) in a different place, because, in my humble opinion, Portland is not a good option. And again, sorry if I sounded rude in my previous mail. Best regards * In the same way that I were constantly falling on a false friend, using 'assist' instead of 'attend'. -- Alejandro Piñeiro Iglesias ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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No, it's Thanksgiving, without the quotation marks. :) We've always
wondered why the Americans insist on having it on the wrong day. The end
of November? The snow is already flying then!
If Canada exports enough tar sands oil, by and by Canada will also
need to hold Thanksgiving in November ;-{.
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On 13-04-30 08:58 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: We are a quirky bunch of people. :-) We're almost like Bostonians except maybe a little more weirder. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBt4HlcDUDw ? -- behdad http://behdad.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Rt awesome :-) On 1 May 2013 20:53, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: On 13-04-30 08:58 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: We are a quirky bunch of people. :-) We're almost like Bostonians except maybe a little more weirder. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBt4HlcDUDw ? -- behdad http://behdad.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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I couldn't see it, but since I see it is Portlandia where young people go to retire ;) On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: On 13-04-30 08:58 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: We are a quirky bunch of people. :-) We're almost like Bostonians except maybe a little more weirder. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBt4HlcDUDw ? -- behdad http://behdad.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Fri, April 26, 2013 4:51 am, Alberto Ruiz wrote: I'd love to visit Portland! However we might want to take into account that doing it in the west coast will have an impact on the travel budget since a lot of people live in Europe and the east coast. I know Sri is working hard to look into organizing this in Portland, but I think there are a number of obstacles. If Portland isn't the right choice for this year, are there folks who want to organize in Montreal? karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 6:43 AM, Benjamin Otte o...@gnome.org wrote: Sriram Ramkrishna sri at ramkrishna.me writes: I agree that is a point worth considering. Portland is a second tier city and sometimes takes a extra hop because there are not a lot direct flights especially from Europe. That's a nice way to say Only Amsterdam offers a direct flight. Which means everyone from Europe will have to pay the big fee for that flight (~$500 more) or transfer inside the US. Yay. I'm not sure if it will be that much.. but usually a lot of people fly into Seattle or San Francisco and then take the flight to Portland. Even Vancouver works. The flights from Seattle to PDX is only an hour or less. But I'm under no illusion that for some that this might be harder to get to. I'm still working the venue and hopefully I'll have something by next week. sri Benjamin ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 19:03 +0200, Piñeiro wrote: [...] What is the point of that long previous paragraph? Sincerely, for me, taking into account that we are talking about a small event, just starting to move to a different city for the sake of moving is an overkill. AFAIU, the idea of doing it in different city is because of last incident in Boston. It is not for the sake of moving it. And as Benjamin opened the can of Europe is far far away from Portland, this is even worse for people living in small cities. In my case I assisted the Boston summit twice (2009, 2012). And it was a Coruña-Madrid-Boston. In the hypothetical case of repeating this year, that extra hop would mean Coruña-Madrid-Amsterdam-Portland or Coruña-Madrid-Seattle-Boston. But I'm under no illusion that for some that this might be harder to get to. I'm still working the venue and hopefully I'll have something by next week. Although working for the venue is appreciated, imho, is irrelevant. It is relevant. Without venue or people organizing the event there is no event. -- Germán Poo-Caamaño http://calcifer.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, April 26, 2013 4:51 am, Alberto Ruiz wrote: I'd love to visit Portland! However we might want to take into account that doing it in the west coast will have an impact on the travel budget since a lot of people live in Europe and the east coast. I know Sri is working hard to look into organizing this in Portland, but I think there are a number of obstacles. If Portland isn't the right choice for this year, are there folks who want to organize in Montreal? I previously mentioned that I'm based in Montreal, and happy to help organize this if people are interested. HTH, James karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM, James purplei...@gmail.com wrote: I previously mentioned that I'm based in Montreal, and happy to help organize this if people are interested. HTH, James OK, looks like we have a winner. Do you have a venue that you can research? BTW Columbus Day is Thanksgiving in Canada right? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:21 AM, James purplei...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, April 26, 2013 4:51 am, Alberto Ruiz wrote: I'd love to visit Portland! However we might want to take into account that doing it in the west coast will have an impact on the travel budget since a lot of people live in Europe and the east coast. I know Sri is working hard to look into organizing this in Portland, but I think there are a number of obstacles. If Portland isn't the right choice for this year, are there folks who want to organize in Montreal? I previously mentioned that I'm based in Montreal, and happy to help organize this if people are interested. HTH, James I don't know if I'll be in Montreal around then, but just a suggestion, if you do organize it in Montreal, it would be great to have it at Concordia, McGill, or at UQAM, the Universite de Montreal location is so... far from everything ;-) Also, I think there are decently priced hotels on Rene-Levesque west, which is nice and close to Concordia, and also close to the pubs... Cheers, -Tristan karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On 04/30/2013 01:11 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Piñeiro apinhe...@igalia.com wrote: On 04/30/2013 06:22 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Although working for the venue is appreciated, imho, is irrelevant. If that extra hop means that suddenly every one (or almost every one) interested on assist the summit would need to ask for help (or extra-help) to the travel committee in order to assist, it doesn't matter if we got a venue for free. It would be still really more expensive, and more trip-exhausting. Hi Alejandro, If most people feel this way then I have no problem letting this go. Hopefully, we can find someone to do this in Boston or Montreal. Were it up to me, that would be my recommendation. It's not that we don't like Portland. Hell, if Portlandia is any indication, Portland might be the best city EVER. :) Even the inconvenience of people having to take an extra and/or longer flight, while not great, is not a show-stopper. To me the show-stopper is unbudgeted travel expenses with less than a year's notice. It is my understanding that quite a few usual Boston Summit attendees are within reasonable driving distance of Boston. And Montreal, while a longer drive, is not undoable for this crowd. But at least in the case of my company, the 2013 travel budget was set at the end of 2012. And at the end of 2012, we had no indication that I would have to fly cross-country from Southern New Hampshire to Boston. ;) ;) Whether or not we want to rotate Boston Summit around the country is something for the Foundation membership to decide. If they decide that, great. But let's then ensure we have the location selected in time for companies and the Foundation to include it in their travel budgets. Take care. --joanie ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Joanmarie Diggs jdi...@igalia.com wrote: It's not that we don't like Portland. Hell, if Portlandia is any indication, Portland might be the best city EVER. :) Even the inconvenience of people having to take an extra and/or longer flight, while not great, is not a show-stopper. To me the show-stopper is unbudgeted travel expenses with less than a year's notice. We are a quirky bunch of people. :-) We're almost like Bostonians except maybe a little more weirder. It is my understanding that quite a few usual Boston Summit attendees are within reasonable driving distance of Boston. And Montreal, while a longer drive, is not undoable for this crowd. But at least in the case of my company, the 2013 travel budget was set at the end of 2012. And at the end of 2012, we had no indication that I would have to fly cross-country from Southern New Hampshire to Boston. ;) ;) I've made that drive, it's a good 5-6 hours I believe. But a really nice one! Vermont rocks! Whether or not we want to rotate Boston Summit around the country is something for the Foundation membership to decide. If they decide that, great. But let's then ensure we have the location selected in time for companies and the Foundation to include it in their travel budgets. I have no problems honestly. I'm happy to let someone else do it. I'll plan something else at some other time.. although the timing for me was perfect since I'll be on vacation during most of the planning stages. But one day we will have a gnome related conference on the west coast. Count on it! sri Take care. --joanie ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Just a suggestion, perhaps the next year's location should be bid on and announced during the current year's summit like GUADEC is. That would make it much easier to plan for budgets, etc. -- J5 On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.mewrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Andrew Cowie and...@operationaldynamics.com wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-30 at 10:47 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: BTW Columbus Day is Thanksgiving in Canada right? No, it's Thanksgiving, without the quotation marks. :) We've always wondered why the Americans insist on having it on the wrong day. The end of November? The snow is already flying then! Don't look to me, these guys thought the indians were us! ;) sri AfC Sydney ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:21 AM, James purplei...@gmail.com wrote: I previously mentioned that I'm based in Montreal, and happy to help organize this if people are interested. HTH, James OK, looks like we have a winner. Do you have a venue that you can research? Sure! I'll look into this. Has GNOME decided on Montreal? If so, maybe someone can get me up to speed on some details, such as capacity and specific dates. I'm happy to help with this, but I'd rather not be the sole organizer. Let me know what is needed! Cheers, James BTW Columbus Day is Thanksgiving in Canada right? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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+1 Jared Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com On Apr 30, 2013, at 8:27 PM, john palmieri john.j5.palmi...@gmail.com wrote: Just a suggestion, perhaps the next year's location should be bid on and announced during the current year's summit like GUADEC is. That would make it much easier to plan for budgets, etc. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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If we do bids, I might be able to talk the Chicago GNOME community into applying for a future year. We are in the middle of the US, and have a major international airport, so it might be a nice option. Meg On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Jared L Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Jared Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com On Apr 30, 2013, at 8:27 PM, john palmieri john.j5.palmi...@gmail.com wrote: Just a suggestion, perhaps the next year's location should be bid on and announced during the current year's summit like GUADEC is. That would make it much easier to plan for budgets, etc. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:41 PM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: If we do bids, I might be able to talk the Chicago GNOME community into applying for a future year. We are in the middle of the US, and have a major international airport, so it might be a nice option. Meg, that sounds like a great idea. I think we have decided on Montreal since we have a volunteeer. You will need to do a venue that will support 35-50 people. sri Meg On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Jared L Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Jared Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com On Apr 30, 2013, at 8:27 PM, john palmieri john.j5.palmi...@gmail.com wrote: Just a suggestion, perhaps the next year's location should be bid on and announced during the current year's summit like GUADEC is. That would make it much easier to plan for budgets, etc. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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My offer of advice extends to this summit also. On May 1, 2013 12:57 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:41 PM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: If we do bids, I might be able to talk the Chicago GNOME community into applying for a future year. We are in the middle of the US, and have a major international airport, so it might be a nice option. Meg, that sounds like a great idea. I think we have decided on Montreal since we have a volunteeer. You will need to do a venue that will support 35-50 people. sri Meg On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Jared L Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Jared Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com On Apr 30, 2013, at 8:27 PM, john palmieri john.j5.palmi...@gmail.com wrote: Just a suggestion, perhaps the next year's location should be bid on and announced during the current year's summit like GUADEC is. That would make it much easier to plan for budgets, etc. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Sriram Ramkrishna sri at ramkrishna.me writes: I agree that is a point worth considering. Portland is a second tier city and sometimes takes a extra hop because there are not a lot direct flights especially from Europe. That's a nice way to say Only Amsterdam offers a direct flight. Which means everyone from Europe will have to pay the big fee for that flight (~$500 more) or transfer inside the US. Yay. Benjamin ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Apr 27, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Luc Pionchon wrote: On 27 April 2013 17:08, Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com wrote: Continuously telling some of our biggest fans that they are wrong all the time is not the way to grow our project. As a soft note, I did not read Richard's message this way. It always strikes me as curious that Mr. Stallman seems to be the only participant in the list who requires third-party exegesis in order to be properly understood. Why is that? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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They are open source based startups. They call themselves open source projects. They probably do that because they support the open source philosophy. By saying open source they encourage others to think that way too. Conversely, the way to encourage others to think about free/libre software and freedom is by saying free software. Others will say what they wish; we should say free and libre. If people from open source software projects want to join us at a GNOME event to learn more about GNOME, we should welcome them. Of course. We welcome those people's participation, whether it be using GNOME, learning about GNOME, promoting GNOME, or contributing to GNOME. We accept support from those companies too. But we do have to take care to avoid a possible way things can go wrong: that they might influence the discussion around GNOME such that GNOME too seems to be aligned with open source. It is easy to avoid this; it just requires that we pay attention. Thus, I remind people to pay attention. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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This is true. Portland has a very large presence of many open source based start ups We're happy to accept support from those that talk about open source, but let's take care to present GNOME as a free/libre software project, with the goal of giving users freedom, rather than using the term open source ourselves. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Hi Richard, They are open source based startups. They call themselves open source projects. I think we should refer to them as open source projects regardless of what we call GNOME. If people from open source software projects want to join us at a GNOME event to learn more about GNOME, we should welcome them. Continuously telling some of our biggest fans that they are wrong all the time is not the way to grow our project. Stormy On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: This is true. Portland has a very large presence of many open source based start ups We're happy to accept support from those that talk about open source, but let's take care to present GNOME as a free/libre software project, with the goal of giving users freedom, rather than using the term open source ourselves. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On 27 April 2013 17:08, Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Richard, They are open source based startups. They call themselves open source projects. I think we should refer to them as open source projects regardless of what we call GNOME. If people from open source software projects want to join us at a GNOME event to learn more about GNOME, we should welcome them. Continuously telling some of our biggest fans that they are wrong all the time is not the way to grow our project. As a soft note, I did not read Richard's message this way. As I understood, he expressed that, they are OSS start-ups in Portland and that's OK, they may support GNOME, and that's good. *Then*, he expressed that, regarding GNOME, let's call it Free/Libre software (because this is what it is), and let's not call it OSS, which is different. I believe you both agree on your two first paragraphs. Kindly, Luc Stormy On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: This is true. Portland has a very large presence of many open source based start ups We're happy to accept support from those that talk about open source, but let's take care to present GNOME as a free/libre software project, with the goal of giving users freedom, rather than using the term open source ourselves. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On 27 April 2013 19:15, Lefty le...@shugendo.org wrote: On Apr 27, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Luc Pionchon wrote: On 27 April 2013 17:08, Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com wrote: Continuously telling some of our biggest fans that they are wrong all the time is not the way to grow our project. As a soft note, I did not read Richard's message this way. It always strikes me as curious that Mr. Stallman seems to be the only participant in the list who requires third-party exegesis in order to be properly understood. That's not quite true. As an example, I would require one. Unfortunately I don't have any. Why is that? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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OK folks, let's keep moving otherwise we'll just rathole into a topic that we don't need to get into. Richard has made his point. Let's move on. On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Luc Pionchon pionchon@gmail.comwrote: On 27 April 2013 19:15, Lefty le...@shugendo.org wrote: On Apr 27, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Luc Pionchon wrote: On 27 April 2013 17:08, Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.com wrote: Continuously telling some of our biggest fans that they are wrong all the time is not the way to grow our project. As a soft note, I did not read Richard's message this way. It always strikes me as curious that Mr. Stallman seems to be the only participant in the list who requires third-party exegesis in order to be properly understood. That's not quite true. As an example, I would require one. Unfortunately I don't have any. Why is that? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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I'd love to visit Portland! However we might want to take into account that doing it in the west coast will have an impact on the travel budget since a lot of people live in Europe and the east coast. 2013/4/26 Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com: Portland would be awesome in my book! :) On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:15 PM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Portland. Meg Ford On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Yes, I think I can take care of logistics if people are interested. If people want to take my suggestion seriously I will make a bid. There are a lot of places that provide hacker areas in Portland. Definitely downtown portland would be the right place for this. Some place centralized where we can also enjoy the city. sri On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 13:43 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Portland! It's just like Boston, but on the other side of the coast! :D People whine a lot there. It could either an opportunity or a problem. Where would it be? Would you take care of the logistic there? -- Germán Poo-Caamaño http://calcifer.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Apr 26, 2013 1:51 AM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: I'd love to visit Portland! However we might want to take into account that doing it in the west coast will have an impact on the travel budget since a lot of people live in Europe and the east coast. I agree that is a point worth considering. Portland is a second tier city and sometimes takes a extra hop because there are not a lot direct flights especially from Europe. Sri 2013/4/26 Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com: Portland would be awesome in my book! :) On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:15 PM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Portland. Meg Ford On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Yes, I think I can take care of logistics if people are interested. If people want to take my suggestion seriously I will make a bid. There are a lot of places that provide hacker areas in Portland. Definitely downtown portland would be the right place for this. Some place centralized where we can also enjoy the city. sri On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 13:43 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Portland! It's just like Boston, but on the other side of the coast! :D People whine a lot there. It could either an opportunity or a problem. Where would it be? Would you take care of the logistic there? -- Germán Poo-Caamaño http://calcifer.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 13:09 -0400, James wrote: I'm based in Montreal if I can help out in some way. It's a beautiful city despite some political issues. Is anyone else from the 2011 Montreal team around who could help organize again there? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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I don't know if i can go, but I think this is a very valid point. While, Portland, the city sounds great and I think would be awesome. Chicago or Dallas, would likely be cheaper flight costs. Even Boston is is a second tier for many of us in the USA. Jared Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: I agree that is a point worth considering. Portland is a second tier city and sometimes takes a extra hop because there are not a lot direct flights especially from Europe. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Jared L Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if i can go, but I think this is a very valid point. While, Portland, the city sounds great and I think would be awesome. Chicago or Dallas, would likely be cheaper flight costs. True, but there are only three established GNOME contributors in Chicago, and none of us work for companies that would sponsor space/time for planning, afaik. Meg Even Boston is is a second tier for many of us in the USA. Jared Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: I agree that is a point worth considering. Portland is a second tier city and sometimes takes a extra hop because there are not a lot direct flights especially from Europe. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Valid point. A quick check and Kansas City to Portland is 450$. About the same as to Boston. Probably should choose more on the features of the city and what else is unique as for venues than flights ;) Jared Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com On Apr 26, 2013, at 12:15 PM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: True, but there are only three established GNOME contributors in Chicago, and none of us work for companies that would sponsor space/time for planning, afaik. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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In addition to GNOME folks willing to host (yeah, Sri!) there is also a large, active open source community in Portland so we might draw new people or people that haven't been able to travel to Europe or Boston. Stormy On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:15 AM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Jared L Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if i can go, but I think this is a very valid point. While, Portland, the city sounds great and I think would be awesome. Chicago or Dallas, would likely be cheaper flight costs. True, but there are only three established GNOME contributors in Chicago, and none of us work for companies that would sponsor space/time for planning, afaik. Meg Even Boston is is a second tier for many of us in the USA. Jared Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: I agree that is a point worth considering. Portland is a second tier city and sometimes takes a extra hop because there are not a lot direct flights especially from Europe. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Stormy Peters stormy.pet...@gmail.comwrote: In addition to GNOME folks willing to host (yeah, Sri!) there is also a large, active open source community in Portland so we might draw new people or people that haven't been able to travel to Europe or Boston. This is true. Portland has a very large presence of many open source based start ups as well as established companies like Intel and IBM who have open source teams. Intel for instance has all their Xorg hackers here. We have some Red Hatters, people who work on filesystems, and many kernel folks. So you'll have a large community to interact with. I'm well known in the Portland open source community as I manage our beerings. In fact it was from the beerings that Linux Plumbers Conference was born. I also have access to an events coordinator as well as my old plumbers team to ask for advice. I dont know mucha bout the logistics - how many people generally come? So I'm a bit of a neophyte on planning but I do have 2 months off from August to the beginning of September of which I can spend time planning. sri Stormy On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:15 AM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Jared L Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if i can go, but I think this is a very valid point. While, Portland, the city sounds great and I think would be awesome. Chicago or Dallas, would likely be cheaper flight costs. True, but there are only three established GNOME contributors in Chicago, and none of us work for companies that would sponsor space/time for planning, afaik. Meg Even Boston is is a second tier for many of us in the USA. Jared Jennings jaredljenni...@gmail.com On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: I agree that is a point worth considering. Portland is a second tier city and sometimes takes a extra hop because there are not a lot direct flights especially from Europe. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:38 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 11:31 -0700, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: One of the benefits of Boston is that MIT traditionally had lent the venue for free during Columbus Day. Historically there was also the presence of Novell and Red Hat, among others. It's certainly the case that this presence is not as strong now. But at least Montreal is drivable from Boston (and that's what several of us did in 2011). And hotels are not too expensive there (compared to Cambridge). [...] Maybe because of the same reason, Boston Summit was almost (if not) zero-cost for the foundation. It has been during the last ~2-3 editions that the foundation started to sponsor some people to attend. -- Germán Poo-Caamaño http://calcifer.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:38 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 11:31 -0700, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: One of the benefits of Boston is that MIT traditionally had lent the venue for free during Columbus Day. Historically there was also the presence of Novell and Red Hat, among others. It's certainly the case that this presence is not as strong now. But at least Montreal is drivable from Boston (and that's what several of us did in 2011). And hotels are not too expensive there (compared to Cambridge). [...] Maybe because of the same reason, Boston Summit was almost (if not) zero-cost for the foundation. It has been during the last ~2-3 editions that the foundation started to sponsor some people to attend. yeah, and it's not really a summit without the folks at westford being able to attend. If there are other viable ones then we can look at them. I'm asking my employer whether they have resources to help here as well. The board will have the weigh the advantages and disadvantages with Portland as a venue versus Montreal. I will make some inquiries about venue which I currently have as Portland State. Some of you who have attended the first two Linux Plumbers Conference are familiar with that. it's a perfectly adequate facilitiy that will more than suffice for the summit. sri sri -- Germán Poo-Caamaño http://calcifer.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 13:43 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Portland! It's just like Boston, but on the other side of the coast! :D People whine a lot there. It could either an opportunity or a problem. Where would it be? Would you take care of the logistic there? -- Germán Poo-Caamaño http://calcifer.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Yes, I think I can take care of logistics if people are interested. If people want to take my suggestion seriously I will make a bid. There are a lot of places that provide hacker areas in Portland. Definitely downtown portland would be the right place for this. Some place centralized where we can also enjoy the city. sri On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 13:43 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Portland! It's just like Boston, but on the other side of the coast! :D People whine a lot there. It could either an opportunity or a problem. Where would it be? Would you take care of the logistic there? -- Germán Poo-Caamaño http://calcifer.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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+1 for Portland. Meg Ford On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.mewrote: Yes, I think I can take care of logistics if people are interested. If people want to take my suggestion seriously I will make a bid. There are a lot of places that provide hacker areas in Portland. Definitely downtown portland would be the right place for this. Some place centralized where we can also enjoy the city. sri On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.orgwrote: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 13:43 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Portland! It's just like Boston, but on the other side of the coast! :D People whine a lot there. It could either an opportunity or a problem. Where would it be? Would you take care of the logistic there? -- Germán Poo-Caamaño http://calcifer.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Portland would be awesome in my book! :) On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:15 PM, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: +1 for Portland. Meg Ford On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:12 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.mewrote: Yes, I think I can take care of logistics if people are interested. If people want to take my suggestion seriously I will make a bid. There are a lot of places that provide hacker areas in Portland. Definitely downtown portland would be the right place for this. Some place centralized where we can also enjoy the city. sri On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.orgwrote: On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 13:43 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Portland! It's just like Boston, but on the other side of the coast! :D People whine a lot there. It could either an opportunity or a problem. Where would it be? Would you take care of the logistic there? -- Germán Poo-Caamaño http://calcifer.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Portland! It's just like Boston, but on the other side of the coast! :D On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Joanmarie Diggs jdi...@igalia.com wrote: Hey all. We should probably be thinking about where the Boston Summit will be this year. :) Do we want to have another Montreal Summit? (And if so, do we have someone to make those arrangements?) Thanks and take care. --joanie ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
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Thanks for bringing this up, Joanie. The sooner we decide on a location, the better, since some of us might need to get a visa for attending the event. At least in Brazil, they are not always fast to get (for either the US or Canada). - Fabiana On 04/23/2013 05:43 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Portland! It's just like Boston, but on the other side of the coast! :D On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Joanmarie Diggs jdi...@igalia.com mailto:jdi...@igalia.com wrote: Hey all. We should probably be thinking about where the Boston Summit will be this year. :) Do we want to have another Montreal Summit? (And if so, do we have someone to make those arrangements?) Thanks and take care. --joanie ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org mailto:foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
