Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-10-10 Thread Nuritzi Sanchez
Hi Lefty, On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Lefty wrote: > My constructive criticism is that you not take your code of conduct > guidance from people who are unrepentant poster children for the need for a > code of conduct. > >

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-10-10 Thread nuritzis
> On Sep 14, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > Here's a code that I helped write: > http://abstractions.io/policies/#code-of-conduct . > > I tried to avoid vague, subjective rules > that could be interpreted in many ways. Thanks, Richard! Let us know if you have any

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-10-10 Thread nuritzis
Hi Lefty, We want to keep this productive and constructive. Please feel free to email us any specific language that you think we should stay away from and why, or any resources you think are a good example of a CoC. Remember, we want both examples of CoCs that you don't think work, and ones

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-17 Thread James
On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > My practical question is, which of those lists _do his messages > actually get through to_? > > I should send my reactions to the lists that his messages > actually reach, and not to those his messages do not reach. I would

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-17 Thread Richard Stallman
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I don't know, but maybe he's just not subscribed. If so, his posts > won't

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-17 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 08:29:50PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > We should judge proposals based on what they say and their effects, > not based on personalities. FYI: Those messages were moderated (IIRC Lefty is), there's nobody really actively looking at moderated emails (various reasons).

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-16 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Fri, 2016-09-16 at 20:33 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > Ironically, I was serving as his conduit into the list(s). > I will certainly stop. > > Which of these lists is he banned from?  Both? I don't know, but maybe he's just not subscribed. If so, his posts won't appear until approved by a

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-16 Thread Richard Stallman
> My guess is that Lefty is replying publicly, that his posts are not > being allowed through the list for some reason, and that Richard > understandably does not realize nobody else can see the posts he is > replying to. Ironically, I was serving as his conduit into the list(s). I will

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-16 Thread Jens Georg
> I do not understand.  What I am doing is sending the reply to a > message to the same lists that the other message went to.  I do that > because these messages attack me and I deserve a chance to respond. I assumed that you were accidently moving a conversation from the private ML to the

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-16 Thread Nuritzi Sanchez
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 7:40 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > > Can you please stop leaking half a conversation from a private mailing > > list to a public one? Thank you. > > I do not understand. What I am doing is sending the reply to a > message to the same lists that the

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-16 Thread Richard Stallman
> Can you please stop leaking half a conversation from a private mailing > list to a public one? Thank you. I do not understand. What I am doing is sending the reply to a message to the same lists that the other message went to. I do that because these messages attack me and I deserve a

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-16 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2016-09-16 at 07:04 +0200, Jens Georg wrote: > Can you please stop leaking half a conversation from a private > mailing  > list to a public one? Thank you. In Richard's defense, I don't believe the emails he's replying to are intended to be private. In the mailing list archives, there are

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-16 Thread James
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:34 AM, Jens Georg wrote: >> >> I do agree that seeing only part of the conversation isn't >> particularly helpful, > > > Sorry for not making this clear, that was the point I was trying to make > here. Nothing else. Indeed, now an apology from me, if it

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-16 Thread Jens Georg
I do agree that seeing only part of the conversation isn't particularly helpful, Sorry for not making this clear, that was the point I was trying to make here. Nothing else. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-16 Thread James
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Jens Georg wrote: > Can you please stop leaking half a conversation from a private mailing list > to a public one? Thank you. I have to interject here. What it sounds like is that one foundation list member (doesn't matter who it is) is getting

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-15 Thread Jens Georg
Can you please stop leaking half a conversation from a private mailing list to a public one? Thank you. My constructive criticism is that you not take your code of > conduct guidance from people who are unrepentant poster children > for the need for a code of conduct. He's exaggerating

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-15 Thread Richard Stallman
> My constructive criticism is that you not take your code of > conduct guidance from people who are unrepentant poster children > for the need for a code of conduct. He's exaggerating about me, but that's the smaller error. His fundamental error is in the general premise that he wants us

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-15 Thread Richard Stallman
"Lefty" has resumed his old practice of attacking anything that is associated with me, mainly as a way of associating my name with a cloud of vague disapproval. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-14 Thread Richard Stallman
Here's a code that I helped write: http://abstractions.io/policies/#code-of-conduct . I tried to avoid vague, subjective rules that could be interpreted in many ways. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-13 Thread Nuritzi Sanchez
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Liam R. E. Quin wrote: > On Mon, 2016-09-12 at 12:07 -0700, Nuritzi Sanchez wrote: > > proposing to draw up a standard code of conduct for GNOME events. > > You could maybe start with the libregraphicsmeeting.org policy, >

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-13 Thread Liam R. E. Quin
On Mon, 2016-09-12 at 12:07 -0700, Nuritzi Sanchez wrote: >  proposing to draw up a standard code of conduct for GNOME events. You could maybe start with the libregraphicsmeeting.org policy, http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/lgm/public-documentation/code-of-conduc t/ Liam -- Liam R. E. Quin

Re: Code of Conduct Adoption Process

2016-09-13 Thread Luis Villa
This is terrific to see. I'm sorry that I probably don't have time to help out much, but look forward to the final result. Luis On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 12:49 PM Nuritzi Sanchez < nurit...@stanfordalumni.org> wrote: > Dear Foundation Members, > > GNOME has never had a standard code of conduct