Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 12/25/2012 02:22 PM, Florian Klaempfl wrote: What's the advantage in doing so? The code hangs around and does not hurt in any way. +1 -Michael ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 12/24/2012 05:19 PM, Martin Schreiber wrote: - Compile at least as fast as Delphi 7 IMHO hard to do for a portable system and not very important regarding modern hardware. I only feel the linking stage is a viable goal here, as in most cases the by far most of the already compiled units n

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 12/21/2012 09:23 AM, Martin Schreiber wrote: Then that should be communicated too and I probably was wrong to invest so much time into the development of MSEide+MSEgui. Similar with Lazarus. At the moment a developer needs to know if a certain function (s)he uses is located in the LCL (so

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

In our previous episode, luiz americo pereira camara said: > > > > That's likely because of the slower process startup time of Windows. Also > > the GNU utilities we use (make, etc.) aren't the fastest on Windows either. > > Also command line output can slow down things dramatically (cmd.exe or the

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 26.12.2012 10:16, luiz americo pereira camara wrote: 2012/12/25 Sven Barth : On 25.12.2012 19:30, Dimitri Smits wrote: - Oorspronkelijk e-mail - Van: "Florian Klaempfl" I'm guessing that is NOT on a Windows platform? Every full build (it has been a while) I've ever done of th

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012/12/25 Sven Barth : > On 25.12.2012 19:30, Dimitri Smits wrote: >> >> >> >> - Oorspronkelijk e-mail - >>> >>> Van: "Florian Klaempfl" >> >> I'm guessing that is NOT on a Windows platform? Every full build (it has >> been a while) I've ever done of the compiler on windows was at least a

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 25.12.2012 19:30, Dimitri Smits wrote: - Oorspronkelijk e-mail - Van: "Florian Klaempfl" Aan: "FPC developers' list" Verzonden: Dinsdag 25 december 2012 14:15:24 Onderwerp: Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status I see no way to speed up

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 25.12.2012 19:30, schrieb Dimitri Smits: I'm guessing that is NOT on a Windows platform? Every full build (it has been a while) I've ever done of the compiler on windows was at least a few minutes. It is windows: "self compilation". No rtl building or whatever. The only approach I see to

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 25.12.2012 18:12, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Sven Barth wrote: On 25.12.2012 13:24, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Agreed. But combinations that don't compile meaningfully (e.g. the compiler targeting IA-64) or at all without at least backported patches (various RTLs including MacOS Classic, Amiga

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

- Oorspronkelijk e-mail - > Van: "Florian Klaempfl" > Aan: "FPC developers' list" > Verzonden: Dinsdag 25 december 2012 14:15:24 > Onderwerp: Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status > > > I see no way to speed up the 2.x FPC si

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said: > > interest to implement such a CPU... *cough* m68k *cough* ;) > > Agreed. But combinations that don't compile meaningfully (e.g. the > compiler targeting IA-64) or at all without at least backported patches > (various RTLs including MacOS Classi

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Sven Barth wrote: On 25.12.2012 13:24, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Agreed. But combinations that don't compile meaningfully (e.g. the compiler targeting IA-64) or at all without at least backported patches (various RTLs including MacOS Classic, Amiga etc.) could IMO usefully be in compiler/attic

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 25.12.2012 15:04, schrieb Sven Barth: On 25.12.2012 14:15, Florian Klaempfl wrote: The only approach I see to speed it up is to kick the whole back end and generate directly some close to i386 intermediate code directly in the parser. Ewww... please not... No, we would be back in pre 1.0

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 25.12.2012 14:15, Florian Klaempfl wrote: The only approach I see to speed it up is to kick the whole back end and generate directly some close to i386 intermediate code directly in the parser. Ewww... please not... Regards, Sven ___ fpc-devel ma

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

> Is this close i386 intermediate code similar to IR LLVM generation ? >> > > No. It must be much closer to i386 else there is no speed advantage over > the current approach. OK, understood. ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 25.12.2012 14:44, schrieb Jy V: The only approach I see to speed it up is to kick the whole back end and generate directly some close to i386 intermediate code directly in the parser. Is this close i386 intermediate code similar to IR LLVM generation ? No. It must be much clos

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

> The only approach I see to speed it up is to kick the whole back end and > generate directly some close to i386 intermediate code directly in the > parser. Is this close i386 intermediate code similar to IR LLVM generation ? if so, this may become a good option for a new strategy ?

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 25.12.2012 13:24, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Sven Barth wrote: On 25.12.2012 11:32, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Although I think the time is approaching when some CPUs- IA-64 etc.- and OSes could usefully be moved into an "attic" subtree. They aren't compiled anyway, so they don't affect the

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 25.12.2012 11:32, schrieb Mark Morgan Lloyd: Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Martin Schreiber wrote: - Produce at least as good code as Delphi 7. - Compile at least as fast as Delphi 7. You know that sacrifices need to be made to make a compiler cross platform and easily

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 25.12.2012 12:38, schrieb Michael Van Canneyt: On Tue, 25 Dec 2012, Martin Schreiber wrote: On Tuesday 25 December 2012 11:20:02 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Everybody is aware of the speed difference between Delphi and FPC. The compiling itself (parsing/producing assembler code) is not s

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

> Although I think the time is approaching when some CPUs- IA-64 etc.- and > OSes could usefully be moved into an "attic" subtree. Agreed. ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-devel

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Sven Barth wrote: On 25.12.2012 11:32, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Although I think the time is approaching when some CPUs- IA-64 etc.- and OSes could usefully be moved into an "attic" subtree. They aren't compiled anyway, so they don't affect the compiler's performance negatively. So it does

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 25.12.2012 12:40, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Tue, 25 Dec 2012, Sven Barth wrote: On 25.12.2012 12:13, Martin Schreiber wrote: On Tuesday 25 December 2012 11:20:02 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Everybody is aware of the speed difference between Delphi and FPC. The compiling itself (pars

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Tue, 25 Dec 2012, Sven Barth wrote: On 25.12.2012 12:13, Martin Schreiber wrote: On Tuesday 25 December 2012 11:20:02 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Everybody is aware of the speed difference between Delphi and FPC. The compiling itself (parsing/producing assembler code) is not slow. >From

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Tue, 25 Dec 2012, Martin Schreiber wrote: On Tuesday 25 December 2012 11:20:02 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Everybody is aware of the speed difference between Delphi and FPC. The compiling itself (parsing/producing assembler code) is not slow. From what I remember, the problems you (and

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 25.12.2012 12:13, Martin Schreiber wrote: On Tuesday 25 December 2012 11:20:02 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: Everybody is aware of the speed difference between Delphi and FPC. The compiling itself (parsing/producing assembler code) is not slow. >From what I remember, the problems you (and eve

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Tuesday 25 December 2012 11:20:02 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > Everybody is aware of the speed difference between Delphi and FPC. > > The compiling itself (parsing/producing assembler code) is not slow. > > >From what I remember, the problems you (and everyone else) experience > > with smartli

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 25.12.2012 11:32, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Martin Schreiber wrote: - Produce at least as good code as Delphi 7. - Compile at least as fast as Delphi 7. You know that sacrifices need to be made to make a compiler cross platform and easily p

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Martin Schreiber wrote: - Produce at least as good code as Delphi 7. - Compile at least as fast as Delphi 7. You know that sacrifices need to be made to make a compiler cross platform and easily portable. You can't have it all. We will see.

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Mon, 24 Dec 2012, Martin Schreiber wrote: - Produce at least as good code as Delphi 7. - Compile at least as fast as Delphi 7. You know that sacrifices need to be made to make a compiler cross platform and easily portable. You can't have it all. We will see. It would be good if, pr

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Leif Ekblad wrote: > A switch to UTF-8 only affects a > small amount of the code-base, and doesn't break string references. > I do agree with your point of view, I also see that major Pascal/Delphi frameworks have chosen UTF-8 for string such as XMLRAD and mORMo

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Monday 24 December 2012 17:45:34 Henry Vermaak wrote: > On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:19:58PM +0100, Martin Schreiber wrote: > > BTW, I actually think about to fork Free Pascal. Not in the near future > > but the primary goals are defined already: > > > > - Back to the roots. > > What are the roots

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:19:58PM +0100, Martin Schreiber wrote: > BTW, I actually think about to fork Free Pascal. Not in the near future but > the primary goals are defined already: > > - Back to the roots. What are the roots? > - Add the necessary to build the most productive universal prog

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Friday 21 December 2012 18:16:06 Florian Klämpfl wrote: > > If nobody is interested in features you need, bad luck for you, you have > three possibilities: develop them yourself, pay somebody to develop them > or use another compiler. BTW, I actually think about to fork Free Pascal. Not in the

Re: Non-ASCII identifiers (was: Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status)

On 24/12/2012 13:05, Marco van de Voort wrote: In our previous episode, Martin said: Hm that makes it easy to have an incomplete list, that could later become a problem half-width spaces etc..., control chars (RTL/LTR...), currently unused codepoints (that could become anything in future...) S

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

In our previous episode, Hans-Peter Diettrich said: > >> and component libraries to the new strings, RTL and LCL? IMO a typical > >> loose-loose situation :-( > > > > ? No, the old RTL will remain maintained. It's the same codebase, just > > recompiled. > > Sorry, I doubt that it is so easy :-(

Re: Non-ASCII identifiers (was: Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status)

On 24/12/12 11:22, Martin wrote: > > half-width spaces etc..., control chars (RTL/LTR...), currently unused > codepoints (that could become anything in future...) As Marco said, the list will be smaller than the "allowed list". Also the Unicode specification defines blocks or categories for cod

Re: Non-ASCII identifiers (was: Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status)

In our previous episode, Martin said: > > Hm that makes it easy to have an incomplete list, that could later > become a problem > > half-width spaces etc..., control chars (RTL/LTR...), currently unused > codepoints (that could become anything in future...) Still shorter than what is allowed.

Re: Non-ASCII identifiers (was: Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status)

On 24/12/2012 12:17, Marco van de Voort wrote: In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said: too. So if somebody implements non ASCII identifiers because he needs a second source Delphi compiler it will be merged because the addition does not break existing code. I assume utf-8 identifiers wo

Re: Non-ASCII identifiers (was: Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status)

In our previous episode, Mark Morgan Lloyd said: > > too. So if somebody implements non ASCII identifiers because he needs a > > second source Delphi compiler it will be merged because the addition does > > not > > break existing code. I assume utf-8 identifiers would not be very difficult > >

Non-ASCII identifiers (was: Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status)

Martin Schreiber wrote: On Monday 24 December 2012 10:23:00 Sven Barth wrote: As I already wrote there are currently no plans to change that FPC supports only ASCII identifiers. I don't think we can trust on that. I hoped that FPC will not use cpstrnew too. So if somebody implements non ASC

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Monday 24 December 2012 10:23:00 Sven Barth wrote: > Am 24.12.2012 07:48 schrieb "Martin Schreiber" : > > On Sunday 23 December 2012 17:44:53 Marco van de Voort wrote: > > > In our previous episode, Michael Van Canneyt said: > > > > > Do you know how RTTI will be encoded? > > > > > > > > I would

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Den 24-12-2012 07:53, Martin Schreiber skrev: On Sunday 23 December 2012 17:44:53 Marco van de Voort wrote: In our previous episode, Michael Van Canneyt said: Do you know how RTTI will be encoded? I would guess short/ansistrings, since pascal identifiers must be a subset of ASCII anyway. Not

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 24.12.2012 07:48 schrieb "Martin Schreiber" : > > On Sunday 23 December 2012 17:44:53 Marco van de Voort wrote: > > In our previous episode, Michael Van Canneyt said: > > > > Do you know how RTTI will be encoded? > > > > > > I would guess short/ansistrings, since pascal identifiers must be a > >

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Sunday 23 December 2012 17:44:53 Marco van de Voort wrote: > In our previous episode, Michael Van Canneyt said: > > > Do you know how RTTI will be encoded? > > > > I would guess short/ansistrings, since pascal identifiers must be a > > subset of ASCII anyway. > > Not Delphi 2009+ btw, which allo

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: Well, let me just say that the idea of two RTL's is rather ridiculous too!! It's not different from Delphi, where the introduction of UnicodeString required a renewed RTL, VCL and IDE. Who should do the same for FPC and Lazarus, and tell the users that they eithe

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Leif Ekblad schrieb: IMO, I wouldn't support wide-character (UnicodeString) strings for anything new. In the beginning the wide-character string had the advantage of being able to represent all characters with 2 bytes, but this is no longer the case. I would switch to UTF-8 instead and keep ch

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

In our previous episode, Michael Van Canneyt said: > > Do you know how RTTI will be encoded? > > I would guess short/ansistrings, since pascal identifiers must be a subset > of ASCII anyway. Not Delphi 2009+ btw, which allow UTF8 identifiers. ___ fpc-d

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 23.12.2012 17:01, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Martin Schreiber wrote: On Friday 21 December 2012 13:26:12 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: After that there will be 2 RTLs: 1. The classical RTL, compatible with what you have now. 2. The unicode-string RTL which will use the

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Martin Schreiber wrote: On Friday 21 December 2012 13:26:12 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: After that there will be 2 RTLs: 1. The classical RTL, compatible with what you have now. 2. The unicode-string RTL which will use the namespaces of Delphi. Do you know how RTTI will

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 23.12.2012 16:58, Martin Schreiber wrote: On Friday 21 December 2012 13:26:12 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: After that there will be 2 RTLs: 1. The classical RTL, compatible with what you have now. 2. The unicode-string RTL which will use the namespaces of Delphi. Do you know how RTTI will be

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Friday 21 December 2012 13:26:12 Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > After that there will be 2 RTLs: > 1. The classical RTL, compatible with what you have now. > 2. The unicode-string RTL which will use the namespaces of Delphi. > Do you know how RTTI will be encoded? Martin ___

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Sven Barth wrote: Did you know that my addition of target NativeNT was published as patch to the bug tracker? Did you know that I wrote patches for the cppclass feature to get it a bit more working than before? It was only the class helpers where I got access to a personal branch in SVN and on

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 23/12/12 10:13, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: ? No, the old RTL will remain maintained. It's the same codebase, just recompiled. It was impossible to deduce that from your earlier reply http://www.mail-archive.com/fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 23/12/12 10:13, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > ? No, the old RTL will remain maintained. It's the same codebase, just > recompiled. It was impossible to deduce that from your earlier reply http://www.mail-archive.com/fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org/msg27659.html With the new information a

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

In our previous episode, Leif Ekblad said: > all characters with 2 bytes, but this is no longer the case. I would switch > to UTF-8 > instead and keep characters 1 byte long. A switch to UTF-8 only affects a > small amount of the code-base, and doesn't break string references. Any solution will n

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said: > OK, so once again it is proven that Unicode is just not "sexy" enough > for the core team, so it will stay stagnant for a few more years. No. Simply getting older. > That's unless a member ignores all discussions and does his own thing [or > gets

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Leif Ekblad wrote: IMO, I wouldn't support wide-character (UnicodeString) strings for anything new. In the beginning the wide-character string had the advantage of being able to represent all characters with 2 bytes, but this is no longer the case. I would switch to UTF-8 instead and keep char

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Sunday 23 December 2012 11:12:42 Leif Ekblad wrote: > IMO, I wouldn't support wide-character (UnicodeString) strings for anything > new. I don't like to read that. ;-) Martin ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.free

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 23.12.2012 11:11, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Sven Barth wrote: to remember to mention which RTL they are using when reporting bugs, keeps those two RTL's in sync over time etc. Yeah, it seams you guys are sometimes not to knowledgeable either. All you are going to do i

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: Well, let me just say that the idea of two RTL's is rather ridiculous too!! It's not different from Delphi, where the introduction of UnicodeString required a renewed RTL, VCL and IDE. Who should do the same for F

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

al Message - From: "Hans-Peter Diettrich" To: "FPC developers' list" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: Well, let me just say that the idea of two RTL's is rather ri

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Sven Barth wrote: to remember to mention which RTL they are using when reporting bugs, keeps those two RTL's in sync over time etc. Yeah, it seams you guys are sometimes not to knowledgeable either. All you are going to do is create more work for yourselves. But hey, who a

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 22/12/12 16:43, Marco van de Voort wrote: I think you have a wrong idea on what the core list contains. LOL. And how is anybody supposed to know what goes on - it is a PRIVATE mailing list. No, but I think you hugely overestimate what goes

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 23.12.2012 01:50, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 22/12/12 16:43, Marco van de Voort wrote: I think you have a wrong idea on what the core list contains. LOL. And how is anybody supposed to know what goes on - it is a PRIVATE mailing list. I don't think direction on unicode (or even general)

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 23.12.2012 01:50, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: > On 22/12/12 16:43, Marco van de Voort wrote: >> I think you have a wrong idea on what the core list contains. > > LOL. And how is anybody supposed to know what goes on - it is a PRIVATE > mailing list. > > >> I don't think direction on unicode (o

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 22/12/12 16:43, Marco van de Voort wrote: I think you have a wrong idea on what the core list contains. LOL. And how is anybody supposed to know what goes on - it is a PRIVATE mailing list. Which is why I suggested that a semi-formal way of taking disputes to it

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: Well, let me just say that the idea of two RTL's is rather ridiculous too!! It's not different from Delphi, where the introduction of UnicodeString required a renewed RTL, VCL and IDE. Who should do the same for FPC and Lazarus, and tell the users that they either

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 22/12/12 16:43, Marco van de Voort wrote: > I think you have a wrong idea on what the core list contains. LOL. And how is anybody supposed to know what goes on - it is a PRIVATE mailing list. > I don't think direction on unicode (or even general) came up since the last > unicode discussions o

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 22.12.2012 20:03, Martin Schreiber wrote: On Saturday 22 December 2012 19:09:27 Florian Klämpfl wrote: Am 22.12.2012 11:23, schrieb Martin Schreiber: I propose to extend and render more precisely the mission goals of FPC and to concentrate the power on the defined goals. And you think peop

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Saturday 22 December 2012 19:09:27 Florian Klämpfl wrote: > Am 22.12.2012 11:23, schrieb Martin Schreiber: > > I propose to extend and render more precisely the mission goals of FPC > > and to concentrate the power on the defined goals. > > And you think people will work on this defined goals in

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Saturday 22 December 2012 19:09:27 Florian Klämpfl wrote: > > > I must say, in MSEide+MSEgui project the things are handled a little bit > > different. For example I never planned to internationalize MSEide because > > it complicates things, is a boring task and I did not see a benefit. Now > >

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 22.12.2012 11:23, schrieb Martin Schreiber: > I propose to extend and render more precisely the mission goals of FPC and to > concentrate the power on the defined goals. > And you think people will work on this defined goals instead of maybe completely other projects? Or just fork FPC? > >

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 22.12.2012 14:01, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: > On 21/12/12 17:16, Florian Klämpfl wrote: >> >> The mission goal of FPC is: develop an open source pascal compiler >> written in pascal in a community effort. > > You forgot the last bit "and be Delphi compatible!" IMO this is actually a conse

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

In our previous episode, Graeme Geldenhuys said: > > Cutting out a whole lot of crap: as somebody very much on the periphery > > of the project, I'm disappointed to see sentiments of this tenor being > > aired in public. > > Mark, much of what happens with the FPC project seems to be done in > s

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 21/12/12 16:46, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: Cutting out a whole lot of crap: as somebody very much on the periphery of the project, I'm disappointed to see sentiments of this tenor being aired in public. Mark, much of what happens with the FPC

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 21/12/12 17:16, Florian Klämpfl wrote: > > The mission goal of FPC is: develop an open source pascal compiler > written in pascal in a community effort. You forgot the last bit "and be Delphi compatible!" > Maybe people should indeed first work on the compiler instead of > developing ano

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 21/12/12 16:46, Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > > Cutting out a whole lot of crap: as somebody very much on the periphery > of the project, I'm disappointed to see sentiments of this tenor being > aired in public. Mark, much of what happens with the FPC project seems to be done in secrecy, or a p

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 22/12/12 10:34, Martin Schreiber wrote: >> > Please note that the message has not been posted to the list by me. My apologies Martin. I should have taken your questions and rephrased them in a list form. To save time, I simply obfuscated the names - probably not the best idea. The names where n

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 2012-12-22 11:48, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, ListMember wrote: On 2012-12-22 00:27, Sven Barth wrote: Am 21.12.2012 22:20 schrieb "ListMember" : > > Can you (or someone else, of course) think of a better search string to locate it? Go to View Issues,

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, Martin Schreiber wrote: I cannot tell you neither any other developer what they have to develop. We could close down all write accesses to fpc svn till the features you need are developed but I fear you won't get them either this way. People would just fork fpc or fpc woul

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Friday 21 December 2012 17:46:26 Mark Morgan Lloyd wrote: > > It would be good to keep those facts in mind before ranting. > > Cutting out a whole lot of crap: as somebody very much on the periphery > of the project, I'm disappointed to see sentiments of this tenor being > aired in public. > > F

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Friday 21 December 2012 18:16:06 Florian Klämpfl wrote: > Am 21.12.2012 09:23, schrieb Martin Schreiber: > > On Tuesday 18 December 2012 19:07:47 Florian Klämpfl wrote: > >> Am 17.12.2012 10:36, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Any FPC developer willing to comment on the status o

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, ListMember wrote: On 2012-12-22 00:27, Sven Barth wrote: Am 21.12.2012 22:20 schrieb "ListMember" : > > Can you (or someone else, of course) think of a better search string to locate it? Go to View Issues, click on the + before the search bix, c

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 2012-12-22 00:27, Sven Barth wrote: Am 21.12.2012 22:20 schrieb "ListMember" >: > > Can you (or someone else, of course) think of a better search string to locate it? Go to View Issues, click on the + before the search bix, click in the appearing entri

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 21.12.2012 22:20 schrieb "ListMember" : > > On 2012-12-21 22:29, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, ListMember wrote: >> >>> On 2012-12-21 14:26, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: - Inoussa has made a native unicode string manager. A large effort. >>> >>> >>> Is this

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 2012-12-21 22:29, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, ListMember wrote: On 2012-12-21 14:26, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: - Inoussa has made a native unicode string manager. A large effort. Is this code publicly available somewhere? It's attached to a bugreport in Mantis som

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, ListMember wrote: On 2012-12-21 14:26, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: - Inoussa has made a native unicode string manager. A large effort. Is this code publicly available somewhere? It's attached to a bugreport in Mantis somewhere. Michael. ___

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 2012-12-21 14:26, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: - Inoussa has made a native unicode string manager. A large effort. Is this code publicly available somewhere? ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailma

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 21.12.2012 12:58, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: > On 21/12/12 10:15, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: >> >> It would be good to keep those facts in mind before ranting. > > I was simply bringing some of those questions (which I had too) to > light. Unicode has been "under development" for many years, an

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 21.12.2012 09:23, schrieb Martin Schreiber: > On Tuesday 18 December 2012 19:07:47 Florian Klämpfl wrote: >> Am 17.12.2012 10:36, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Any FPC developer willing to comment on the status of some of these >>> issues (that have been years overdue)? >> >> It nar

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

It would be good to keep those facts in mind before ranting. Cutting out a whole lot of crap: as somebody very much on the periphery of the project, I'm disappointed to see sentiments of this tenor being aired in public. First, in traditional debate it's not considered necessary to be quite

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Graeme Geldenhuys hat am 21. Dezember 2012 um 13:49 geschrieben: > On 21/12/12 12:26, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > > > We know what to do. What we lack, is time. > > > > Status currently: > > > Thanks for the update. Most of what you mentioned was unknown to any > person outside the FPC core te

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 21/12/12 12:26, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > We know what to do. What we lack, is time. > > Status currently: Thanks for the update. Most of what you mentioned was unknown to any person outside the FPC core team. So to us outsiders, it seems like progress has halted. Regards, - Graeme

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 21/12/12 10:15, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: It would be good to keep those facts in mind before ranting. I was simply bringing some of those questions (which I had too) to light. Unicode has been "under development" for many years, and has co

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On 21/12/12 10:15, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > It would be good to keep those facts in mind before ranting. I was simply bringing some of those questions (which I had too) to light. Unicode has been "under development" for many years, and has come to a halt - with no final decisions being made

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Mon, 17 Dec 2012, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, Any FPC developer willing to comment on the status of some of these issues (that have been years overdue)? For some reason this thread ended up in my spam box. Hence the late reply. As for the question: I've planned to do some work on the

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

On Tuesday 18 December 2012 19:07:47 Florian Klämpfl wrote: > Am 17.12.2012 10:36, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: > > Hi, > > > > Any FPC developer willing to comment on the status of some of these > > issues (that have been years overdue)? > > It narrows basically down to the fact that fpc lacks devel

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

Am 18.12.2012 19:17, schrieb Vincent Snijders: > 2012/12/18 Florian Klämpfl : >> Am 17.12.2012 10:36, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Any FPC developer willing to comment on the status of some of these >>> issues (that have been years overdue)? >> >> It narrows basically down to the fact

Re: [fpc-devel] Forwarded message about FPC status

2012/12/18 Florian Klämpfl : > Am 17.12.2012 10:36, schrieb Graeme Geldenhuys: >> Hi, >> >> Any FPC developer willing to comment on the status of some of these >> issues (that have been years overdue)? > > It narrows basically down to the fact that fpc lacks developers and > contributors, or do I m

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