Re: Frame vs Arbortext

2007-04-26 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 20:17 -0400 25/4/07, Diane Gaskill wrote: Hello Frameratti, I like that... but shouldn't it be 'Framerati'? You might be thinking of 'Frameretti', i.e. little Framers ;-) Remember the old days when we had debates and comparisons between the dreaded Word and Frame? Well, now it seems that

Re: Frame vs Arbortext

2007-04-26 Thread Bob Williams
We use both and having been involved with standing up both Frame and Arbortext processes, Steve's impressions are (in my opinion) reasonably accurate. We run both systems (20+ writers and developers) because two of our customers require it (we are tech manual vendors to a couple of big clients.)

Re: Frame vs Arbortext

2007-04-26 Thread Sean Pollock
In the 1990s I used Epic at Thomson Corporation, a publisher, and I currently use it at UGS Corp., a manufacturing software company. You are correct when you say that Epic is better for major corporations. The cost per seat is much higher than Framemaker and even slight changes to DTD,

RE: Frame vs Arbortext

2007-04-26 Thread Matt Sullivan
To add to Alan's comments, I've had numerous aerospace clients who choose Arbortext for editing, but Frame for output. The cost of output from Arbortext (developing XSL-FO) can be much greater than the whole FM install and dev, and not terribly flexible. In the pre-Frame 7.2 world, XML was

RE: Frame vs Arbortext

2007-04-26 Thread Bernard Aschwanden
http://www.ptc.com/products/arbortext/dita/index.htm Also check this: http://www.ptc.com/appserver/wcms/forms/index.jsp?im_dbkey=40125icg_dbkey=482 However, that will need you to log in and/or create an account. Hope that helps, Bernard PS. If any AT users are out there who also know one or

RE: Frame vs Arbortext

2007-04-26 Thread Diane Gaskill
Be careful when reading documents that are created by a vendor to sell his products. They are often slanted. I recently saw a presentation from PTC in which several slides contained information that was not accurate. FM was presented as an equal to MS word and I am sure we all know better than

need help with x-ref format that is causing conditional text to break

2007-04-26 Thread Melissa Clark
Hi, I have an issue that occurs when a specific cross-reference style/format is used together with conditional text. What happens is that when conditional text is applied to a paragraph that contains this particular cross-reference format and when the cond text is shown/hidden, somehow the

Frame vs Arbortext

2007-04-26 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 20:17 -0400 25/4/07, Diane Gaskill wrote: >Hello Frameratti, I like that... but shouldn't it be 'Framerati'? You might be thinking of 'Frameretti', i.e. little Framers ;-) >Remember the old days when we had debates and comparisons between the dreaded >Word and Frame? Well, now it seems

Frame vs Arbortext

2007-04-26 Thread Bob Williams
We use both and having been involved with standing up both Frame and Arbortext processes, Steve's impressions are (in my opinion) reasonably accurate. We run both systems (20+ writers and developers) because two of our customers require it (we are tech manual vendors to a couple of big clients.)

Frame vs Arbortext

2007-04-26 Thread Sean Pollock
In the 1990s I used Epic at Thomson Corporation, a publisher, and I currently use it at UGS Corp., a manufacturing software company. You are correct when you say that Epic is better for major corporations. The cost per seat is much higher than Framemaker and even slight changes to

Frame vs Arbortext

2007-04-26 Thread Alan Houser
Your experience is quite common. Arbortext's sales team is really, really good. They seem to know how to find the right people in an organization (not the tech pubs group or even the tech pubs manager) and sell into the workgroup or enterprise level. On the other hand, Adobe's FrameMaker sales

Frame vs Arbortext

2007-04-26 Thread Bernard Aschwanden
http://www.ptc.com/products/arbortext/dita/index.htm Also check this: http://www.ptc.com/appserver/wcms/forms/index.jsp?im_dbkey=40125_dbkey=482 However, that will need you to log in and/or create an account. Hope that helps, Bernard PS. If any AT users are out there who also know one or two

Frame vs Arbortext

2007-04-26 Thread Diane Gaskill
Be careful when reading documents that are created by a vendor to sell his products. They are often slanted. I recently saw a presentation from PTC in which several slides contained information that was not accurate. FM was presented as an equal to MS word and I am sure we all know better than

need help with x-ref format that is causing conditional text to "break"

2007-04-26 Thread Melissa Clark
Hi, I have an issue that occurs when a specific cross-reference style/format is used together with conditional text. What happens is that when conditional text is applied to a paragraph that contains this particular cross-reference format and when the cond text is shown/hidden, somehow the