Re: Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent

2009-07-16 Thread Klaus Daube
Friends of FremeMaker, Before blaming the bad customer support of Adobe for some situation, please consider the following (my personal opinion/experience): - Will You get manufacturer support for a 15 year old car? You may find a garage somewhere out there which still has some spare parts

RE: FM 7.0 and Acrobat 9

2009-07-16 Thread Shlomo Perets
Fred, You wrote: Umm, the discussion is not about print to PDF, which is actually the method that several of us have been recommending all along. ... This method may produce decent results when a book is printed to a single PDF file, but it fails when a book is printed to multiple PDF (each

RE: FM 7.0 and Acrobat 9

2009-07-16 Thread Fred Ridder
Thanks for clarifying this shortcoming of the print to PDF method, Shlomo. Now that you mention it, I do recall having heard about it. But since it has been years since I was called upon to produce a multiple PDF set from a single book, it hasn't been an issue for me and I apparently didn't

Re: OT: Heading levels in a UG

2009-07-16 Thread Andy Kass
Very interesting topic, and quite a funny anecdote about ET pigeonholing tech writers. We have 4 levels in our templates, including the chapter title, but usually avoid going down to 4. So most content is under 1 Chapter Title (actually a Heading 1) 1.2 Heading 2 1.2.3 Heading 3 For our type

Index of Scripture References

2009-07-16 Thread Shuttleworth, Roger
Hello All I have a document that contains Bible references as footnotes (e.g. Romans 3:12). I'd like to construct an Index of Scripture References at the end of the book, listing the references in biblical order rather than alphabetical, but this presents problems for the sort order. Some

RE: Index of Scripture References

2009-07-16 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Roger, You should be able to change the sort order using the bracketed sort text. You could set a numeric value for each of the biblical books, depending on their placement in the Bible. For example, Romans 3:12 could be [45003012], where 45 is the book number, 003 is the chapter, and 012 is

RE: Index of Scripture References

2009-07-16 Thread Ann Zdunczyk
Specifying the sort using the [aaa] should work. I have used this a number of times. Z ** Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. Language Layout, Translation Consulting, Template Creation Phone: (336)922-1271 Fax:  

RE: Index of Scripture References

2009-07-16 Thread Fred Ridder
Roger, The first thing to realize is that many published books have indexes that were compiled by a professional indexer, working from galleys and using a dedicated indexing software tool like CINDEX or SKY Index rather than one that is built from embedded index codes in the authoring tool.

Re: Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF

2009-07-16 Thread obair
You refer below to having multiple hypertext markers in the same paragraph. This is not related to that. This happens even when the link is the only one in the graph. The issue happens when the link wraps to the second line. With that information in mind, do you still think that this is tied to

RE: Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF

2009-07-16 Thread Fred Ridder
Paul, Are you certain that the misbehaving links are coded in the FrameMaker source as hypertext Go to URL commands with the complete address? If not, you may be seeing one of the shortcomings of the links that Acrobat automatically creates after the fact as it parses the PDF. Acrobat is

Re: Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF

2009-07-16 Thread Shlomo Perets
Paul, It is most likely that what you see is indeed related to the TimeSavers settings of Ignore duplicate markers. I suggest that you try turning it off, redistill and inspect the result. If it is indeed the case, consider using the other workarounds mentioned to prevent a hypertext marker

Re: [f2a] Re: Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF

2009-07-16 Thread obair
Yes, clearing the ignore dup markers checkbox returns my wrapping Frame x-refs to a functional state. And I found that, in the one case that initially triggered the need for the ignore dup markers checkbox, if I move the hypertext marker pair to the paragraph just above where it was in

Re: Automated way to import formats?

2009-07-16 Thread Chris Despopoulos
ShamelessPlug You can use TemplateMapper... It sets up a project to manage import from a new template into a legacy book. You create map files that manage how to import individual formats (turn LegacyBody into NewBody), and load legacy, template, and map files into a project. The project can

RE: Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent

2009-07-16 Thread Richard Melanson
You make many very good points, thank you for the perspective Klaus. Rick -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:48 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject:

Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent

2009-07-16 Thread Klaus Daube
Friends of FremeMaker, Before blaming the bad customer support of Adobe for some situation, please consider the following (my personal opinion/experience): - Will You get manufacturer support for a 15 year old car? You may find a garage somewhere out there which still has some spare parts

FM 7.0 and Acrobat 9

2009-07-16 Thread Shlomo Perets
Fred, You wrote: >Umm, the discussion is not about "print to PDF", which is actually the >method that several of us have been recommending all along. ... This method may produce decent results when a book is printed to a single PDF file, but it fails when a book is printed to multiple PDF

FM 7.0 and Acrobat 9

2009-07-16 Thread Fred Ridder
Thanks for clarifying this shortcoming of the print to PDF method, Shlomo. Now that you mention it, I do recall having heard about it. But since it has been years since I was called upon to produce a multiple PDF set from a single book, it hasn't been an issue for me and I apparently didn't

OT: Heading levels in a UG

2009-07-16 Thread Andy Kass
Very interesting topic, and quite a funny anecdote about ET pigeonholing tech writers. We have 4 levels in our templates, including the chapter title, but usually avoid going down to 4. So most content is under 1 Chapter Title (actually a Heading 1) 1.2 Heading 2 1.2.3 Heading 3 For our type

Index of Scripture References

2009-07-16 Thread Shuttleworth, Roger
Hello All I have a document that contains Bible references as footnotes (e.g. Romans 3:12). I'd like to construct an Index of Scripture References at the end of the book, listing the references in biblical order rather than alphabetical, but this presents problems for the sort order. Some

Index of Scripture References

2009-07-16 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Roger, You should be able to change the sort order using the bracketed sort text. You could set a numeric value for each of the biblical books, depending on their placement in the Bible. For example, Romans 3:12 could be [45003012], where 45 is the book number, 003 is the chapter, and 012 is

Index of Scripture References

2009-07-16 Thread Ann Zdunczyk
Specifying the sort using the [aaa] should work. I have used this a number of times. Z ** Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. Language Layout, Translation Consulting, & Template Creation Phone: (336)922-1271 Fax:??

Index of Scripture References

2009-07-16 Thread Fred Ridder
Roger, The first thing to realize is that many published books have indexes that were compiled by a professional indexer, working from galleys and using a dedicated indexing software tool like CINDEX or SKY Index rather than one that is built from embedded index codes in the authoring tool.

Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF

2009-07-16 Thread obair
You refer below to "having multiple hypertext markers in the same paragraph." This is not related to that. This happens even when the link is the only one in the graph. The issue happens when the link wraps to the second line. With that information in mind, do you still think that this is tied

Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF

2009-07-16 Thread Fred Ridder
Paul, Are you certain that the misbehaving links are coded in the FrameMaker source as hypertext Go to URL commands with the complete address? If not, you may be seeing one of the shortcomings of the links that Acrobat automatically creates after the fact as it parses the PDF. Acrobat is

Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF

2009-07-16 Thread Shlomo Perets
Paul, It is most likely that what you see is indeed related to the TimeSavers settings of "Ignore duplicate markers". I suggest that you try turning it off, redistill and inspect the result. If it is indeed the case, consider using the other workarounds mentioned to prevent a hypertext marker

[f2a] Re: Frame x-refs that wrap and work fine do not work in PDF

2009-07-16 Thread obair
Yes, clearing the "ignore dup markers " checkbox returns my wrapping Frame x-refs to a functional state. And I found that, in the one case that initially triggered the need for the "ignore dup markers " checkbox, if I move the hypertext marker pair to the paragraph just above where it was in

Automated way to import formats?

2009-07-16 Thread Chris Despopoulos
You can use TemplateMapper... It sets up a project to manage import from a new template into a legacy book. You create map files that manage how to import individual formats (turn LegacyBody into NewBody), and load legacy, template, and map files into a project. The project can import pgf,

Customer Support in Adobe is non-existent

2009-07-16 Thread Richard Melanson
You make many very good points, thank you for the perspective Klaus. Rick -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 4:48 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com