Re: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-30 Thread David Creamer
From separate posts I will not be doing a major catalog in InDesign. That would take who knows how long. Framemaker is the best thing out there for catalogs period. I know both programs fairly well and could not make that blanket statement. I would say it depends on the catalog, personnel,

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-30 Thread David Creamer
>From separate posts > I will not be doing a major catalog in InDesign. That would take who knows how > long. Framemaker is the best thing out there for catalogs period. I know both programs fairly well and could not make that blanket statement. I would say it depends on the catalog,

RE: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:58 -0800 28/1/10, Dov Isaacs wrote: On the Macintosh, real grayscale TIFF came out into PostScript and hence PDF as grayscale. Other than for EPS, this never happened on Windows prior to FrameMaker 9 save as PDF without the RGB option Quite frankly, if you really need to worry about

SV: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Jacob Schäffer
Migrating to InDesign is a *** H U G E *** task and may not be able to provide enough functionality. InDesign is fantastic in many aspects, but Framemaker definitely has its advantages and is -- for some tasks -- far superior to InDesign. /Jacob ___

Re: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Scott White
I will not be doing a major catalog in InDesign. That would take who knows how long. Framemaker is the best thing out there for catalogs period. I have found, with Dov's help, that save as pdf, with the right acrobat options, is giving me true grayscale. But I know there are some concerns with

RE: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Rick Quatro
I share your slack-jawed wonder with this. FrameMaker seems to be focused on improvements for a particular market (structured Frame, DITA, topic-based authoring), while at the same time neglecting an existing market (catalogs and books with color requirements). A baseline requirement for any

Re: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Scott White
Well said Rick. Scott White Media Production EBC Manager Implementation Coordinator 210-704-8239 swh...@alamark.com On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: I share your slack-jawed wonder with this. FrameMaker seems to be focused on improvements for a particular market

RE: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 12:57 -0500 29/1/10, Rick Quatro wrote: I realize that Dov has nothing directly to do with FrameMaker, but I wonder if any of the FrameMaker people at Adobe read this list. That Jacques guy said he did: the evangelist person. -- Steve ___ You

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:58 -0800 28/1/10, Dov Isaacs wrote: >On the Macintosh, real grayscale TIFF came out into PostScript and hence PDF >as grayscale. Other than for EPS, this never happened on Windows prior to >FrameMaker 9 "save as PDF" without the RGB option Quite frankly, if you >really need to worry

SV: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Jacob Schäffer
Migrating to InDesign is a *** H U G E *** task and may not be able to provide enough functionality. InDesign is fantastic in many aspects, but Framemaker definitely has its advantages and is -- for some tasks -- far superior to InDesign. /Jacob

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Scott White
I will not be doing a major catalog in InDesign. That would take who knows how long. Framemaker is the best thing out there for catalogs period. I have found, with Dov's help, that save as pdf, with the right acrobat options, is giving me true grayscale. But I know there are some concerns with

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Rick Quatro
I share your "slack-jawed wonder" with this. FrameMaker seems to be focused on improvements for a particular market (structured Frame, DITA, topic-based authoring), while at the same time neglecting an existing market (catalogs and books with color requirements). A baseline requirement for any

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Scott White
Well said Rick. Scott White Media Production & EBC Manager Implementation Coordinator 210-704-8239 swhite at alamark.com On Jan 29, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: > I share your "slack-jawed wonder" with this. FrameMaker seems to be focused > on improvements for a particular market

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 12:57 -0500 29/1/10, Rick Quatro wrote: >I realize that Dov has nothing directly to do with FrameMaker, but I wonder >if any of the FrameMaker people at Adobe read this list. That Jacques guy said he did: the evangelist person. -- Steve

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Scott White
I've been playing with the settings with Acrobat Distiller 9 and Framemaker 9 trying to fix my grayscale images coming out rgb. I have been sending samples to my printer and each and every sample he is telling me my text is black but the images are rgb. These are the same images we have used

Re: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Art Campbell
with the settings with Acrobat Distiller 9 and Framemaker 9 trying to fix my grayscale images coming out rgb. I have been sending samples to my printer and each and every sample he is telling me my text is black but the images are rgb. These are the same images we have used for years in other catalogs

Re: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Scott White
. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Scott White swh...@alamark.com wrote: I've been playing with the settings with Acrobat Distiller 9 and Framemaker 9 trying to fix my grayscale images coming out rgb. I have been sending samples to my printer and each and every sample he

RE: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Dov Isaacs
image to actual grayscale, you will end up with an RGB image in which for every pixel R=G=B in value. R=G=B grayscale RGB images typically do not properly print with only the K (black) channel on most devices and/or with most drivers. So, UNFORTUNATELY, with FrameMaker you have two options

Re: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Scott White
with an RGB image in which for every pixel R=G=B in value. R=G=B grayscale RGB images typically do not properly print with only the K (black) channel on most devices and/or with most drivers. So, UNFORTUNATELY, with FrameMaker you have two options, both assuming that the image really

RE: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Dov Isaacs
] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:45 AM To: Dov Isaacs Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com List; Jason Hauman Subject: Re: Grayscale Images are RGB Dov Thanks for your reply. Here's the history. We've been using these same images for years with older versions of frame without problems

RE: Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Jacob Schäffer
Scott, I'm quite experienced with this issue and may be able to assist with setting up a Windows solution that runs smoothly and for most parts compensate for the poor TIFF implementation FrameMaker users have to deal with. The solution will be built around our Publi PDF software and is

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Scott White
I've been playing with the settings with Acrobat Distiller 9 and Framemaker 9 trying to fix my grayscale images coming out rgb. I have been sending samples to my printer and each and every sample he is telling me my text is black but the images are rgb. These are the same images we have used

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Art Campbell
the settings with Acrobat Distiller 9 and Framemaker 9 > trying to fix my grayscale images coming out rgb. I have been sending samples > to my printer and each and every sample he is telling me my text is black but > the images are rgb. These are the same images we have used for years in other

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Scott White
pson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Scott White wrote: >> I've been playing with the settings with Acrobat Distiller 9 and Framemak

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Dov Isaacs
ion to convert what looks like a grayscale image to actual grayscale, you will end up with an RGB image in which for every pixel R=G=B in value. R=G=B "grayscale" RGB images typically do not properly print with only the K (black) channel on most devices and/or with most drivers. So, UNF

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Scott White
gt; the option to convert what looks like a grayscale image to actual grayscale, > you will end > up with an RGB image in which for every pixel R=G=B in value. > > R=G=B "grayscale" RGB images typically do not properly print with only the K > (black) channel > o

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Dov Isaacs
e [mailto:swhite at alamark.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:45 AM > To: Dov Isaacs > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com List; Jason Hauman > Subject: Re: Grayscale Images are RGB > > Dov > Thanks for your reply. > Here's the history. We've been using these same images f

Grayscale Images are RGB

2010-01-28 Thread Jacob Schäffer
Scott, I'm quite experienced with this issue and may be able to assist with setting up a Windows solution that runs smoothly and for most parts compensate for the poor TIFF implementation FrameMaker users have to deal with. The solution will be built around our Publi PDF software and is