Re: Frame's future

2007-03-08 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
As new tools come out, companies will not expect you to know more than the most common ones. There is a lot more to technical writing than the authoring tool. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 8:29 PM -0500 3/4/07, Sean Pollock wrote: Why be afraid of Frame's possible

RE: Frame's future

2007-03-08 Thread Chris Borokowski
Knowing how technology works, I'd prefer to build on a working, proven platform and expand it to reach new heights. In other words, why be afraid of FrameMaker for the future? It's a great product design and doesn't need changing. Programs like mySQL may have eternal life for the same reason

Re: Frame's future

2007-03-08 Thread Sean Pollock
] Subject: Re: Frame's future Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:36:35 -0500 What concerns me is that many of these tools are Enterprise level. Meaning that they are too expensive to be purchased by a single person, and often require a server from which to run. What that means

Re: Frame's future

2007-03-08 Thread Bill Swallow
Except for the fibbing part. I don't advocate saying you know something you don't, even if learning it is a non-issue. I advocate being up front about it and talk about the tech stuff you do know. Many times companies will then agree that tools are easy to learn and that the concepts are

RE: Frame's future

2007-03-07 Thread David Creamer
Precisely, and you should be prepared for the day when FrameMaker is killed off by Adobe. If this tool is important to you, you should be very, very afraid of its demise for the exact same reasons that Adobe dropped it for the Mac. I suspect the user base of FrameMaker comes into play too:

RE: Frame's future

2007-03-07 Thread Sean Pollock
on it. Sean Pollock UGS Corp. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 11:28 PM To: 'Frame Users'; 'Free Framers List' Subject: RE: Frame's future At 9:40 AM + 3/2/07, Gordon McLean wrote: Sales

RE: Frame's future

2007-03-07 Thread quills
At 8:29 PM -0500 3/4/07, Sean Pollock wrote: Why be afraid of Frame's possible demise? XML is the future, and Frame is just a tool, and should never be the source. There will be (actually, already are) new tools, Frame ain't all that anyway. Seems like I've been using it forever--I look forward

RE: Frame's future

2007-03-07 Thread Sean Pollock
a month later. I'm no Einstein, I just looked up the information I needed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 9:06 PM To: 'Frame Users'; 'Free Framers List' Subject: RE: Frame's future At 8:29 PM

RE: Frame's future

2007-03-03 Thread quills
At 9:40 AM + 3/2/07, Gordon McLean wrote: Sales figures will reveal the story. What sells more, Photoshop or FrameMaker? *yawns* Gordon Precisely, and you should be prepared for the day when FrameMaker is killed off by Adobe. If this tool is important to you, you should be very, very

RE: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-03 Thread quills
At 9:37 AM -0600 3/2/07, Sam Beard wrote: Scott, This isn't exactly true. Microsoft CHOSE not to export IE for Mac OS X. This was done partly because Apple has their own browser, Safari, and partly because of the rise in popularity of Firefox, Opera, Camino, and others. The last version of

Re: Frame's future

2007-03-02 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
On 3/2/07, John Sgammato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- snipped --- And I have read enough about FrameMaker on the Mac. We know you're unhappy. Adobe knows you're unhappy. All God's chillun' must know you're unhappy. You have expressed your feelings about it quite well enough, thank you. The

RE: Frame's future

2007-03-02 Thread Gordon McLean
Sales figures will reveal the story. What sells more, Photoshop or FrameMaker? *yawns* Gordon This email (and any attachments) is private and confidential, and is intended solely for the

RE: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-02 Thread David Creamer
It seems to me the question of How to get a new Mac version of FrameMaker? is resolved by the question How to get more Macintosh users using FrameMaker? I can't think of a way to solve that one quickly. Maybe we can turn this into a contest? The first thing is that Apple has to start

Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-02 Thread Art Campbell
There's also the probability that the CS suite porting is taking place in the US Adobe development center but Frame is coded by Adobe India -- so the Mac skill set may not be where the FM code is. On 3/1/07, Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:38 -0700 1/3/07, Graeme R Forbes wrote:

Re: Frame's future

2007-03-01 Thread John Posada
Considering how most companies spend their money on the latest fad, or hot idea that the V.P. in charge suddenly is convinced is the way to go (usually without much real investigation), I don't see what the problem is. and this is a legitimate and credible justification? easier for us,

Re: Frame's future

2007-03-01 Thread Mike Wickham
When someone stabs you in the back after you've been a very loyal customer for nearly 20 years, you don't normally go running back for more. So what action are you going to take against Apple for dropping Classic support from their Mactel machines? They stabbed you in the back, too, didn't

Re: Frame's future

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Findon
On 1 Mar 2007, at 14:00, Mike Wickham wrote: When someone stabs you in the back after you've been a very loyal customer for nearly 20 years, you don't normally go running back for more. So what action are you going to take against Apple for dropping Classic support from their Mactel

RE: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-01 Thread Graeme R Forbes
Dov said: Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult stuff relating to user interfaces, font access, output, etc. is all exclusive to MacOS X In other words, the difficult stuff has all been dealt with for GoLive, Illustrator, InDesign, etc. etc. So Adobe employs people who know

RE: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-01 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 09:38 -0700 1/3/07, Graeme R Forbes wrote: Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult stuff relating to user interfaces, font access, output, etc. is all exclusive to MacOS X In other words, the difficult stuff has all been dealt with for GoLive, Illustrator, InDesign, etc. etc.

RE: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-01 Thread Ann Zdunczyk
However, FrameMaker has a much older code base, so the effort to migrate it to XCode would be proportionately greater. For all I know, some parts of FrameMaker might be coded in Assembler for speed. If this is the case, moving such code to a multi-platform production base such as XCode would be

Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Findon
Steve Rickaby wrote: Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult stuff relating to user interfaces, font access, output, etc. is all exclusive to MacOS X In other words, the difficult stuff has all been dealt with for GoLive, Illustrator, InDesign, etc. etc. So Adobe employs

Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-01 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Folks, Worrying about whether the latest versions of FrameMaker are, or are not, available for a particular OS and platform is not productive at all. Whether we know and/or agree/disagree with Adobe's reasons for dropping the Mac version is not anything we can or should waste any [more] time on.

RE: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-01 Thread Dov Isaacs
@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX Dov said: Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult stuff relating to user interfaces, font access, output, etc. is all exclusive to MacOS X In other words, the difficult stuff has all been dealt with for GoLive

RE: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-01 Thread Dov Isaacs
-Original Message- From: Paul Findon Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:13 AM To: Frame Users; Free Framers List; Steve Rickaby Subject: Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX Steve Rickaby wrote: Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult stuff relating to user

Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-01 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Oops, sorry, Richard. my response was not aimed at your earlier response. I just did a reply-all and should have trimmed out your words. Z Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: Folks, Worrying about whether the latest versions of FrameMaker are, or are not, available for a particular OS and platform is

Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Findon
On 1 Mar 2007, at 19:22, Dov Isaacs wrote: Hang on. Don't NeXTSTEP and Mac OS X both support Type 1 fonts? Hang on. Weren't NeXTSTEP app developers some of the first to port their apps to Mac OS X? How difficult could it be? Paul It is quite difficult because the similarities you describe

Re: Frame's future

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Findon
On 1 Mar 2007, at 14:00, Mike Wickham wrote: When someone stabs you in the back after you've been a very loyal customer for nearly 20 years, you don't normally go running back for more. So what action are you going to take against Apple for dropping Classic support from their Mactel

Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-01 Thread Paul Findon
On 1 Mar 2007, at 17:12, Paul Findon wrote: In the early '90s, I made many a manual with Adobe FrameMaker 3.0 for NeXTSTEP. Whoops! In all the excitement I should have said Frame Technology FrameMaker 3.0 for NeXTSTEP. I wonder what ever happened to that code? Paul

RE: Frame's future

2007-03-01 Thread Sean Pollock
, which was never a real OS). --Sean Pollock UGS Corp. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Findon Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 4:41 PM To: Mike Wickham Cc: Frame Users; Free Framers List Subject: Re: Frame's future On 1 Mar 2007, at 14

Re: Frame's future

2007-03-01 Thread quills
Its as valid as any officer of a company doing something for worse reasons. His justification may not be exemplary, however it is not malfeasance. Since it is somewhere around the middle ground I see no reason to take him to task for it. Scott At 5:38 AM -0800 3/1/07, John Posada wrote:

Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-01 Thread quills
Considering that Microsoft couldn't seem to port Internet Explorer to OS X, it must be insurmountable. Scott At 5:12 PM + 3/1/07, Paul Findon wrote: Steve Rickaby wrote: Although MacOS X has UNIX underpinnings, the difficult stuff relating to user interfaces, font access, output, etc.

RE: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-03-01 Thread quills
on Solaris licenses vs. Mac. Scott At 11:22 AM -0800 3/1/07, Dov Isaacs wrote: -Original Message- From: Paul Findon Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:13 AM To: Frame Users; Free Framers List; Steve Rickaby Subject: Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX Steve Rickaby wrote: Although MacOS X

RE: Frame's future

2007-03-01 Thread John Sgammato
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Sean Pollock Sent: Thu 3/1/2007 9:17 PM To: 'Paul Findon'; 'Mike Wickham' Cc: 'Frame Users'; 'Free Framers List' Subject: RE: Frame's future Mike, At least you have a real OS. Most of us in the business world use PCs because they're the corporate norm

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-28 Thread Paul Findon
On 27 Feb 2007, at 22:55, Paul Pehrson wrote: Jumping in a bit late here, But why are Mac users jumping on the MadCap hope bandwagon? MadCap products also only work on Windows. The problem will be the same whether your tool of choice is Blaze or Frame. It's quite simple really. One of

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-28 Thread John Posada
a real PC, since most of us have lost the appetite for Adobe software, we'd rather use something else, and MadCap's Blaze looks promising. Let's see if I got this right. Adobe used to suppot MAC but does no longer, so we're pissed. Therefore, we'll go to a company who has never

RE: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-02-28 Thread Dov Isaacs
in processor instruction sets (Sun's processors versus Gx or Mactel). - Dov -Original Message- From: Chris Borokowski Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 7:39 AM To: Free Framers List; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX It is possible I'm

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-28 Thread Art Campbell
Paul, I think you're breaking the rules of the conversation by applying logic... It's not about logic, it's about being a Mac fan. Cheers, Art On 2/27/07, Paul Pehrson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jumping in a bit late here, But why are Mac users jumping on the MadCap hope bandwagon? MadCap

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-28 Thread Peter Gold
Art Campbell wrote: Paul, I think you're breaking the rules of the conversation by applying logic... It's not about logic, it's about being a Mac fan. So, Art, you don't think that Mac fanatacism trumps compulsive speculation? Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices

RE: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX

2007-02-28 Thread Chris Borokowski
AM To: Free Framers List; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame's future @ Mac/UNIX It is possible I'm wholly clueless here. Although rare, it does occur. Mac OSX is a Mach/BSD hybrid. Wouldn't that enable you to use the UNIX version of FrameMaker? If not, have you

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-28 Thread William Gaffga
I can't speak for the whole, but I can for this Mac fan and his Doc Group. We are currently on Macs despite creating PC software (long story, short is we used to be Mac and transitioned our code/product). We've kept Docs on the Mac due to legacy docs and ease of use and there was no real

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-28 Thread quills
At 6:53 AM -0800 2/28/07, John Posada wrote: a real PC, since most of us have lost the appetite for Adobe software, we'd rather use something else, and MadCap's Blaze looks promising. Let's see if I got this right. Adobe used to suppot MAC but does no longer, so we're pissed. Therefore,

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-27 Thread Paul Pehrson
Jumping in a bit late here, But why are Mac users jumping on the MadCap hope bandwagon? MadCap products also only work on Windows. The problem will be the same whether your tool of choice is Blaze or Frame. Or did I miss something? -Paul Pehrson Midvale, UT On 2/25/07, Paul Findon [EMAIL

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:54 -0800 24/2/07, Guy K. Haas wrote: I see nothing that spells out FrameMaker does not work at all Has anyone TRIED it and reported this? I was quoting from page 5 of the document 'How Adobe Products Support Windows Vista': Q. Does Adobe FrameMaker 7.2 run on Windows Vista? Does

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Fred Ridder
From: Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Guy K. Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame's future Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 10:39:17 + At 10:54 -0800 24/2/07, Guy K. Haas wrote: I see nothing that spells out FrameMaker does not work at all Has anyone

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:00 -0500 25/2/07, Fred Ridder wrote: What you stated was your interpretation, not a direct quote. True. But stated immediately above a direct quote, namely: 'Adobe FrameMaker 7.2 and earlier do not support Windows Vista. However, Adobe currently plans to release the next major version of

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Paul Findon
On 24 Feb 2007, at 00:33, Michael Heine wrote: Blaze sounds interesting (on vapour paper, so far). So, will it do endnotes, and print 4/C ... ? I don't know. Ask them. They seem to be a helpful company. General: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sales: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps we can work out a deal for

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Paul Findon
On 21 Feb 2007, at 19:30, Dov Isaacs wrote: What is true is that Adobe was certainly NOT going to drop support for Windows in favour of a MacOS X-only solution or start developing products exclusively for MacOS X, a strategy that apparently at least some within Apple would have liked Adobe to

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Paul Findon
On 21 Feb 2007, at 16:28, Dov Isaacs wrote: Comparing the Macintosh version of FrameMaker to a Ford Taurus is not a valid analogy. FrameMaker on Macintosh was NEVER a best-seller. It was a very small fraction of the FrameMaker user base, smaller than even Unix, that did not justify the

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Paul Findon
On 21 Feb 2007, at 16:28, Dov Isaacs wrote: Comparing the Macintosh version of FrameMaker to a Ford Taurus is not a valid analogy. FrameMaker on Macintosh was NEVER a best-seller. It was a very small fraction of the FrameMaker user base, smaller than even Unix, that did not justify the

RE: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
Brissette; Free Framers List; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame's future On 21 Feb 2007, at 19:30, Dov Isaacs wrote: What is true is that Adobe was certainly NOT going to drop support for Windows in favour of a MacOS X-only solution or start developing products exclusively

RE: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
-Original Message- From: Paul Findon Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:26 PM To: Free Framers List; framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Chuck Hastings Subject: Re: Frame's future On 21 Feb 2007, at 17:28, Dov Isaacs wrote: There is no reason for me to doubt the veracity

RE: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Dov Isaacs
-Original Message- From: Paul Findon Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:30 PM To: Free Framers List; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame's future On 21 Feb 2007, at 16:28, Dov Isaacs wrote: Comparing the Macintosh version of FrameMaker to a Ford Taurus

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Bill Briggs
At 9:29 PM + 2/25/07, Paul Findon wrote: Adobe could have pushed FrameMaker as a 1st class word processor and cut the price. Throw in a spreadsheet, a cut-down version of Illustrator, and a Powerpoint alternative and you have a whole new office platform. With Microsoft encroaching more and

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Paul Findon
Brissette; Free Framers List; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame's future On 21 Feb 2007, at 19:30, Dov Isaacs wrote: What is true is that Adobe was certainly NOT going to drop support for Windows in favour of a MacOS X-only solution or start developing products exclusively

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
List; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame's future On 21 Feb 2007, at 19:30, Dov Isaacs wrote: What is true is that Adobe was certainly NOT going to drop support for Windows in favour of a MacOS X-only solution or start developing products exclusively for MacOS X, a strategy

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-25 Thread Bill Briggs
At 9:32 PM + 2/25/07, Paul Findon wrote: There is no law or SEC regulation that stipulates a minimum profitability for products, and Adobe could have simply raised the price if it really was such a major draw on expenses. And the really pathetic irony here is that Frame Technologies first

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-24 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 20:27 -0800 23/2/07, Guy K. Haas wrote: What does it mean FrameMaker whatever supports Vista? Does it just mean FrameMaker whatever is able to take advantage of the marvelous new features of Vista? On the basis of a quick scan, it looks as if it just means 'running without issues' - i.e.

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-24 Thread Guy K. Haas
The document was about Adobe products and whether they support Vista. Q. Does Adobe FrameMaker 7.2 run on Windows Vista? Does Adobe plan to update it for Windows Vista support? A. Adobe FrameMaker 7.2 and earlier do not support Windows Vista. However, Adobe currently plans to release the next

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-24 Thread Mark Barratt
Guy K. Haas wrote: The document was about Adobe products and whether they support Vista. [snip] I see nothing that spells out FrameMaker does not work at all Has anyone TRIED it and reported this? Been running FM 7.2 on Vista for a few weeks now. None of my Type 1 fonts work (which I

RE: Frame's future

2007-02-24 Thread Dov Isaacs
To: Guy K. Haas Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame's future Guy K. Haas wrote: The document was about Adobe products and whether they support Vista. [snip] I see nothing that spells out FrameMaker does not work at all Has anyone TRIED it and reported

Re: Third-party or out of the box plugins [was re: Frame's future]

2007-02-23 Thread eric . dunn
Marcus Carr [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 02/22/2007 10:46:17 PM: For our mechanically gifted friend, I'd be inclined to provide a graphic interface and a touch screen that let him drill to the warp drive than compel him to hunt and peck on a toughened keyboard. An index may have its place, but it's

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-23 Thread Paul Findon
On 22 Feb 2007, at 11:59, Wayne Brissette wrote: The biggest challenge for Adobe is stopping the defections. The one number one topic among FrameMaker users at STC meetings I attend are what other options are out there for them. These aren't just the Sun or According to Adobe's latest SEC

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-23 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Paul, I am also anxious to see what this ends up looking like. Hopefully, it won't end up being vaporware. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Personally, I'm looking forward to the new Madcap Blaze, which Madcap describe as the ultimate alternative to Adobe

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-23 Thread Guy K. Haas
Paul Findon wrote: Personally, I'm looking forward to the new Madcap Blaze, which Madcap describe as the ultimate alternative to Adobe FrameMaker. http://www.madcapsoftware.com/ Me too, Paul, but has ANYBODY got any info on how their beta is doing, or whether it is even underway? I know

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-23 Thread Sarah O'Keefe
Guy K. Haas wrote: I know [MadCap] have been on the road at STC (and other) group meetings talking up Flare and its kin, but have they said much about Blaze? Hi Guy et al., My understanding is that XML support in Blaze will be comparable to XML support in Flare. The file storage format will be

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-23 Thread Michael Heine
Blaze sounds interesting (on vapour paper, so far). So, will it do endnotes, and print 4/C ... ? I'd also be curious to see if the coming version of FrameMaker will run under XP? It's specifically designed for Vista, it seems: ... Adobe currently plans to release the next major verions of

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-23 Thread Guy K. Haas
What does it mean FrameMaker whatever supports Vista? Does it just mean FrameMaker whatever is able to take advantage of the marvelous new features of Vista? --Guy K. Haas Software Exegete in Silicon Valley Michael Heine wrote: Blaze sounds interesting (on vapour paper, so far). So, will

Third-party or "out of the box" plugins [was "re: Frame's future"]

2007-02-23 Thread Marcus Carr
Hedley Finger wrote: > The original discussion was, generally, about what Adobe needed to do > to find out what functionality their customers would need in the > future. > > I attempted to make the point that a study of the third-party plugins > would indicate to Adobe the gaps in FrameMaker's

Third-party or "out of the box" plugins [was "re: Frame's future"]

2007-02-23 Thread hedley.fin...@myob.com
Marcus, Marcus, Marcus: > > I attempted to make the point that a study of the third-party plugins > > would indicate to Adobe the gaps in FrameMaker's functionality that > > they need to address, and chose indexing plugins as an example where > > there are many independent plugins to improve this

Third-party or "out of the box" plugins [was "re: Frame's future"]

2007-02-23 Thread Marcus Carr
hedley.finger at myob.com wrote: > Marcus, Marcus, Marcus: Hedley, Hedley, Hedley... :-) > I'm surprised that you of all people should associate functionality > with presentation. It's a bit similar to separating format from > content. 8^) And I'm surprised that you equate indexes only with

Third-party or "out of the box" plugins [was "re: Frame's future"]

2007-02-23 Thread hedley.fin...@myob.com
Marcus^3: The example of the Turbo Tarburner was chosen with care. Even as we bicker, a major automotive manufacturer is implementing an on-demand customised workshop manual. The mechanic will simply enter the car's body number or VIN or whatever, and a custom manual for just the equipment

Third-party or "out of the box" plugins [was "re: Frame's future"]

2007-02-23 Thread Marcus Carr
H4y^3, hedley.finger at myob.com wrote: > The example of the Turbo Tarburner was chosen with care. Even as we > bicker, a major automotive manufacturer is implementing an on-demand > customised workshop manual. > > The mechanic will simply enter the car's body number or VIN or > whatever, and

RE: Frame's future

2007-02-22 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann
Art, Thank you for posting the link; I enjoyed the Blog. It is comforting to see Aseem Dokania's statement online that FrameMaker is here to stay. I know that the original posting was about Frame's future, but I wanted to make these comments about Frame's past, which has so much to do with why

Third-party or out of the box plugins [was re: Frame's future]

2007-02-22 Thread Marcus Carr
Hedley Finger wrote: The original discussion was, generally, about what Adobe needed to do to find out what functionality their customers would need in the future. I attempted to make the point that a study of the third-party plugins would indicate to Adobe the gaps in FrameMaker's

Re: Third-party or out of the box plugins [was re: Frame's future]

2007-02-22 Thread hedley . finger
Marcus, Marcus, Marcus: I attempted to make the point that a study of the third-party plugins would indicate to Adobe the gaps in FrameMaker's functionality that they need to address, and chose indexing plugins as an example where there are many independent plugins to improve this

Re: Third-party or out of the box plugins [was re: Frame's future]

2007-02-22 Thread Marcus Carr
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marcus, Marcus, Marcus: Hedley, Hedley, Hedley... :-) I'm surprised that you of all people should associate functionality with presentation. It's a bit similar to separating format from content. 8^) And I'm surprised that you equate indexes only with hardcopy.

Re: Third-party or out of the box plugins [was re: Frame's future]

2007-02-22 Thread hedley . finger
Marcus^3: The example of the Turbo Tarburner was chosen with care. Even as we bicker, a major automotive manufacturer is implementing an on-demand customised workshop manual. The mechanic will simply enter the car's body number or VIN or whatever, and a custom manual for just the equipment

Re: Third-party or out of the box plugins [was re: Frame's future]

2007-02-22 Thread Marcus Carr
H4y^3, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The example of the Turbo Tarburner was chosen with care. Even as we bicker, a major automotive manufacturer is implementing an on-demand customised workshop manual. The mechanic will simply enter the car's body number or VIN or whatever, and a custom manual

Third-party or "out of the box" plugins [was "re: Frame's future"]

2007-02-22 Thread hedley.fin...@myob.com
Since my post about plugins diverted this thread from its original topic onto a discussion of the merits of plugins, may I amplify my remarks? The original discussion was, generally, about what Adobe needed to do to find out what functionality their customers would need in the future. I

RE: Frame's future

2007-02-21 Thread Gordon McLean
: RE: Frame's future Licensing and integrating existing plug-ins is an excellent way to extend functionality of a core product. In response to Hedley's suggestion, I mentioned the DITA and Apply Master Pages plug-ins as examples for plug-ins that are already incorporated into FrameMaker

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-21 Thread John Posada
I'd expect that Adobe would not do it without some sort of financial payment to framescript's developer. --- Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FrameScript's developer will not do this because it removes an incentive for people to purchase FrameScript. Hundreds of scripts would be

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-21 Thread Scott Prentice
, and then once you are aware they exist, finding them can be quite tricky (that list of Index plugins includes some I've never even heard of...). Gordon -Original Message- Subject: RE: Frame's future Licensing and integrating existing plug-ins is an excellent way to extend functionality

Third-party or out of the box plugins [was re: Frame's future]

2007-02-21 Thread hedley . finger
Since my post about plugins diverted this thread from its original topic onto a discussion of the merits of plugins, may I amplify my remarks? The original discussion was, generally, about what Adobe needed to do to find out what functionality their customers would need in the future. I

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-20 Thread hedley . finger
Another thing Adobe could do is look at all the plug-ins and mods that various people have come up with to scratch an itch -- or stem a raging haemorrhage. For example, there are a whole bunch of indexing tools -- IXgen, emDex, Index Tools Pro, IndexRef, etc. -- suggesting that there is a

RE: Frame's future

2007-02-20 Thread White, William
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 2:18 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Shlomo Perets Subject: Re: Frame's future Another thing Adobe could do is look at all the plug-ins and mods that various people have come

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-20 Thread Keith Soltys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another thing Adobe could do is look at all the plug-ins and mods that various people have come up with to scratch an itch -- or stem a raging haemorrhage. For example, there are a whole bunch of indexing tools -- IXgen, emDex, Index Tools Pro, IndexRef, etc. --

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-20 Thread Bill Briggs
At 6:29 PM -0500 2/20/07, Keith Soltys wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another thing Adobe could do is look at all the plug-ins and mods that various people have come up with to scratch an itch -- or stem a raging haemorrhage. For example, there are a whole bunch of indexing tools -- IXgen,

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-20 Thread Rick Quatro
FrameScript's developer will not do this because it removes an incentive for people to purchase FrameScript. Hundreds of scripts would be distributed with no renumeration for FrameScript's developer. FrameScript is a bargain at $149. Even the simplest scripts provide a quick payback in time

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-20 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
Hi, Rick. Rick Quatro wrote: FrameScript's developer will not do this because it removes an incentive for people to purchase FrameScript. Hundreds of scripts would be distributed with no renumeration for FrameScript's developer. Unless Adobe paid some them small royalty portion of the sales

re: Frame's future

2007-02-20 Thread Shlomo Perets
Hedley Finger wrote: Another thing Adobe could do is look at all the plug-ins and mods that various people have come up with to scratch an itch -- or stem a raging haemorrhage. For example, there are a whole bunch of indexing tools -- IXgen, emDex, Index Tools Pro, IndexRef, etc. --

RE: Frame's future

2007-02-20 Thread Max Dunn
Hi Shlomo, Please update to a current version of the FrameMaker Application Pack for DITA. FrameMaker 7.2 DITA support is Based on a core plugin developed and maintained by Leximation (quoted from the DITA About window). Is this a problem? Adobe picked a great starting point for the app

RE: Frame's future

2007-02-20 Thread Shlomo Perets
You wrote: Please update to a current version of the FrameMaker Application Pack for DITA. FrameMaker 7.2 DITA support is Based on a core plugin developed and maintained by Leximation (quoted from the DITA About window). Is this a problem? Adobe picked a great starting point for the app

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-19 Thread Shlomo Perets
Art Campbell wrote: A little rich, but interesting reading: http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2007/02/framemaker_is_and_will_remain.html Twelve years after the first release of Adobe-branded FrameMaker (5.0), and six years after Adobe's FrameMaker is alive and well statement, I would like

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-17 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 12:40 -0800 16/2/07, John Posada wrote: Put it back on the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] Macintosh. From my perspective, it would be a dilution of a fixed amount of resources taken away from the platform I care about for only a small increase in market share. I doubt it, John. In the [admittedly

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-16 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 15:07 -0500 16/2/07, Art Campbell wrote: A little rich, but interesting reading: http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2007/02/framemaker_is_and_will_remain.html Total market-speak and almost entirely content-free. Guff. 'The most important question is; how can we make sure that FrameMaker

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-16 Thread John Posada
'The most important question is; how can we make sure that FrameMaker continues to be the tool of choice for you?' Put it back on the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] Macintosh. From my perspective, it would be a dilution of a fixed amount of resources taken away from the platform I care about for only a

Re: Frame's future

2007-02-16 Thread Bill Briggs
At 12:40 PM -0800 2/16/07, John Posada wrote: Subject: Re: Frame's future 'The most important question is; how can we make sure that FrameMaker continues to be the tool of choice for you?' Put it back on the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] Macintosh. From my perspective, it would be a dilution of a fixed