Corrupted graphics placement by reference
I am using FrameMaker 5.5.6 in Windows 7 Home Premium. Within the past week, and never before, photo graphics placed by reference gray randomly in printing, and sometimes within Frame sessions. I can't print a document with as few as a dozen pictures, without a lost reference. I find slight control in re-importing graphics. Uninstall and re-install did nothing to help. I use FrameMaker daily to document work as a construction contractor, and must do something. I suspect a new computer or new hard drive might behave. Phillip Norman Attic Access, Portland, Oregon pjnor...@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/ http://sites.google.com/a/r5portals.com/www/home ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Corrupted graphics placement by reference
Phillip Norman wrote: I am using FrameMaker 5.5.6 in Windows 7 Home Premium. Within the past week, and never before, photo graphics placed by reference gray randomly in printing, and sometimes within Frame sessions. I can't print a document with as few as a dozen pictures, without a lost reference. I find slight control in re-importing graphics. Uninstall and re-install did nothing to help. I use FrameMaker daily to document work as a construction contractor, and must do something. I suspect a new computer or new hard drive might behave. The usual recommendation for this is more memory. But I suspect what you need is either a newer version of FM or an older version of Windows. I'm using FM 7.2 on Win 7 (in Win XP SP3 emulation mode), and it's mostly trouble-free. But FM 5.5.6 is way older than that, and I'm surprised it's working on Win 7 at all. I'd suggest getting a copy of Win XP, partitioning your hard disk (or adding a second), and setting up a dual-boot scenario where you can boot into Win XP to run FM or Win 7 to run newer apps. If you're not comfortable doing it yourself, your friendly neighborhood computer store can probably fix you up for a reasonable fee. Certainly cheaper than buying FM 10. :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Corrupted graphics placement by reference
Odd behavior of my printing continues. Phenomenion One: File acquires errors while open for printing. An old document with many photos printed fine. Another printed without error, once. Then with file open and no saves, each successive printing as pdf, had more grayed graphics. Occurs without Phenomenon Two, permisions hangup. If I save the open FrameMaker file, it is corrupted. Phenomenon Two: Interfering administrator permissions for print, dialog. In FrameMaker, attempting to print PDF, I get dialog Save PDF File as (pathname and file name I chose). And dialog: You don’t have permission to modify files in this network location. Contact the administrator per permission to make these changes. Click OK, and I get invitation to overwrite my chosen filename. The overwritten file has random graying of graphics. Phenomenom Three: odd file creation. I get documents with odd file names such as, with zero content, especially with crashes. Crashes most often occur with graphics overload, such as scrolling too fast. Example names: Filename.auto.fm.149 Filename.auto.fm.F3E (I work with hiding of extensions for known file types.) ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Corrupted graphics placement by reference
Your odd file names are created when trying to do an automatic timed save, and/or Frame crashes and attempts to create a recovery file and doesn't clean up its temp files automatically. Completely normal. Given that you're running an antique software package on a totally unsupported OS, I'm surprised you're not getting more errors. Turn off UAC permissions in W7 if you don't want to see the Admin warnings. I'm almost afraid to ask, but what version of Acrobat/Distiller are you running to create the PDFs? Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Phillip Norman pjnor...@gmail.com wrote: Odd behavior of my printing continues. Phenomenion One: File acquires errors while open for printing. An old document with many photos printed fine. Another printed without error, once. Then with file open and no saves, each successive printing as pdf, had more grayed graphics. Occurs without Phenomenon Two, permisions hangup. If I save the open FrameMaker file, it is corrupted. Phenomenon Two: Interfering administrator permissions for print, dialog. In FrameMaker, attempting to print PDF, I get dialog Save PDF File as (pathname and file name I chose). And dialog: You don’t have permission to modify files in this network location. Contact the administrator per permission to make these changes. Click OK, and I get invitation to overwrite my chosen filename. The overwritten file has random graying of graphics. Phenomenom Three: odd file creation. I get documents with odd file names such as, with zero content, especially with crashes. Crashes most often occur with graphics overload, such as scrolling too fast. Example names: Filename.auto.fm.149 Filename.auto.fm.F3E (I work with hiding of extensions for known file types.) ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Corrupted graphics placement by reference
I accept there may be new incompatibility with my old friend v5.5.6, under Windows 7 with some recent update. My pdf distiller is Acrobat 8 Professional. If I must upgrade, I will. Phil Norman ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Track Text Edits question
Frame 9, Windows XP. We're using Track Text Edits. Is there a way to open a pod and keep the options on the desk top, or must I keep clicking Special Track Text Edits (selection). Looks like I will have to continue to access the Special menu. Anyone know a quicker way? TIA. Corinne Kenney OpenTV ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Corrupted graphics placement by reference
what about upgrading your version of Win7 then downloading the free virtual machine it supports and set up a virtual XP machine to run FM in? From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Norman Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:05 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corrupted graphics placement by reference I accept there may be new incompatibility with my old friend v5.5.6, under Windows 7 with some recent update. My pdf distiller is Acrobat 8 Professional. If I must upgrade, I will. Phil Norman ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Corrupted graphics placement by reference
On 26/07/2011 12:35 PM, Phillip Norman wrote: Odd behavior of my printing continues. Phenomenion One: File acquires errors while open for printing. An old document with many photos printed fine. Another printed without error, once. Then with file open and no saves, each successive printing as pdf, had more grayed graphics. Occurs without Phenomenon Two, permisions hangup. If I save the open FrameMaker file, it is corrupted. Phenomenon Two: Interfering administrator permissions for print, dialog. In FrameMaker, attempting to print PDF, I get dialog Save PDF File as (pathname and file name I chose). And dialog: You don’t have permission to modify files in this network location. Contact the administrator per permission to make these changes. Click OK, and I get invitation to overwrite my chosen filename. The overwritten file has random graying of graphics. Phenomenom Three: odd file creation. I get documents with odd file names such as, with zero content, especially with crashes. Crashes most often occur with graphics overload, such as scrolling too fast. Example names: Filename.auto.fm.149 Filename.auto.fm.F3E (I work with hiding of extensions for known file types.) It really sounds like a desperatly low memory problem, and you still haven't told us anything about your hardware. Win 7 requires 1 GB of RAM, according to Microsoft; their specs are usually the absolute bare minimum that will allow a system to run. How much RAM do you have, and how many other programs or processes are you running at the same time as FM/Acrobat? Have you had a look at your Task Manager Processes and Performance tabs (or whatever Win 7 calls them) while working with your files? More info may help... -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Track Text Edits question
On 26/07/2011 1:09 PM, Corinne Kenney wrote: Frame 9, Windows XP. We're using Track Text Edits. Is there a way to open a pod and keep the options on the desk top, or must I keep clicking Special Track Text Edits (selection). You *never* have to click Special Track Text Edits (selection). You never have to *click* any menu items. Unplug your mouse for a few days and learn what a good friend the Alt key is. You can curl your left thumb under to hold it down while you type any of the underlined letters in menu names, then release it and type any underlined letter in the submenu names. Choosing something from Track Text Edits takes three keystrokes: Alt + s, r, (underlined letter of selection) Looks like I will have to continue to access the Special menu. Anyone know a quicker way? I don't know how to make that menu into a persistent pod, but even if you manage that, you will be slower and less productive by clicking on it than if you just use the keyboard shortcuts for the menus. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Track text edits
Thanks, Penelope and Stuart. Corinne Kenney OpenTV ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Applying new templates to existing documents
My employer has implemented a new corporate-level style guide that impacts the look and feel of our customer-facing documentation. Source files for these documents are created/maintained using unstructured FrameMaker 8 running on Windows XP sp 3. 13 writers are updating the majority of our current documents (group A) by applying templates that use the existing paragraph/character/table format naming conventions and reflect the new style requirements. A small group of the documents to be updated (group B) uses the A4 page size and a set of paragraph/character/table formats that have completely different naming conventions than those used group A. Group B includes 50+ documents with a total of 650 source files and just over 10,000 pages. We're considering the options we have for converting the group B documents to the new style guide requirements. One option is to convert the group B documents to the templates used for the group A documents, including paragraph/character/table naming conventions and the letter page size, so that we can move forward with a single, consistent set of templates for all FM documents. However, this option means that we must identify all paragraph/character/table names in the group B documents, rename them with corresponding names from the group A templates, and then apply the group A templates to each FM file. Definitely a labor-intensive process unless it can be automated significantly, possibly with FrameScript. The other option is to modify the templates currently used for the group B documents to obtain the needed look and feel, and then reapply those templates to the group B documents. The conversion effort would be reduced significantly, but we would still have two sets of FM templates to maintain. Is there a more efficient way to implement either of the options I have described? Are there other options for reformatting the group B documents? Thanks. Doug Edwards ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Corrupted graphics placement by reference
Try creating a new document and importing some of the same graphics by reference. Does the same thing happen? Are the graphics located on a network or removable drive? On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Phillip Norman pjnor...@gmail.com wrote: I am using FrameMaker 5.5.6 in Windows 7 Home Premium. Within the past week, and never before, photo graphics placed by reference gray randomly in printing, and sometimes within Frame sessions. I can't print a document with as few as a dozen pictures, without a lost reference. I find slight control in re-importing graphics. Uninstall and re-install did nothing to help. I use FrameMaker daily to document work as a construction contractor, and must do something. I suspect a new computer or new hard drive might behave. Phillip Norman Attic Access, Portland, Oregon pjnor...@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/ http://sites.google.com/a/r5portals.com/www/home ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_go...@pobox.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Steve Johnson, dr_go...@pobox.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Corrupted graphics placement by reference
Hi Phillip, I wasn't even aware that you could run such an old version of Frame on Windows 7, so I'm not entirely surprised you are having some intermittent problems. I was going to suggest running it in XP compatibility mode but that is not available with Windows 7 Home.In actuality, it isn't a new machine you need, it's an old operating system. Frame 5.5.6 needs Windows XP. Berny Gagne Lead Technical Writer Thinkpath Engineering Toronto, Ontario From: Phillip Norman pjnor...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:17:23 AM Subject: Corrupted graphics placement by reference I am using FrameMaker 5.5.6 in Windows 7 Home Premium. Within the past week, and never before, photo graphics placed by reference gray randomly in printing, and sometimes within Frame sessions. I can't print a document with as few as a dozen pictures, without a lost reference. I find slight control in re-importing graphics. Uninstall and re-install did nothing to help. I use FrameMaker daily to document work as a construction contractor, and must do something. I suspect a new computer or new hard drive might behave. Phillip Norman Attic Access, Portland, Oregon pjnor...@gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/ http://sites.google.com/a/r5portals.com/www/home ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bernyga...@rogers.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernygagne%40rogers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Corrupted graphics placement by reference
You can also get the free VMWare Player (which might have a different name now) and install XP there. That should run OK on Windows 7 with enough memory. I used it quite a bit in a previous job. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com wrote: Phillip Norman wrote: I am using FrameMaker 5.5.6 in Windows 7 Home Premium. Within the past week, and never before, photo graphics placed by reference gray randomly in printing, and sometimes within Frame sessions. I can't print a document with as few as a dozen pictures, without a lost reference. I find slight control in re-importing graphics. Uninstall and re-install did nothing to help. I use FrameMaker daily to document work as a construction contractor, and must do something. I suspect a new computer or new hard drive might behave. The usual recommendation for this is more memory. But I suspect what you need is either a newer version of FM or an older version of Windows. I'm using FM 7.2 on Win 7 (in Win XP SP3 emulation mode), and it's mostly trouble-free. But FM 5.5.6 is way older than that, and I'm surprised it's working on Win 7 at all. I'd suggest getting a copy of Win XP, partitioning your hard disk (or adding a second), and setting up a dual-boot scenario where you can boot into Win XP to run FM or Win 7 to run newer apps. If you're not comfortable doing it yourself, your friendly neighborhood computer store can probably fix you up for a reasonable fee. Certainly cheaper than buying FM 10. :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_go...@pobox.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Steve Johnson, dr_go...@pobox.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker and ClearCase
Hi Emelita- We looked at it, but FM files are binaries. The repository gets huge very quickly. Also, even if you store MIF instead, you still can't get any of the usual ClearCase benefits of merging or doc comparison, because MIFs (at least in older versions; this was FM6) do not preserve where the line ends and the internal marker IDs change every time you update. It took up a lot of memory and there really wasn't much we could do with it other than get out archived copies (and that wasn't very easy). Incidentally, this problem applies with every source control system we've looked at; it isn't just ClearCase. The one advantage would be if your employer is using the entire Rational system and wants to tie specific versions to completed requirements in another part of the suite. Still a lot of memory consumption, though. On this vein, back in the 90s there was a product called Canterbury from Chrystal Software designed to do source control and versioning specifically for FrameMaker. Anyone know what became of it? -Sam. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Emelita Shishido Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:38 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and ClearCase I wanted to know if anyone has used ClearCase for versioning their Frame files? Emelita ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Applying new templates to existing documents
Others have solved this problem with a combination of tools -- I'd look at the Clean Import Plug-in to import the new template info, and any of several paragraph-mapping tools/plug-ins that are on the market. Because there are several, you can probably try them out to ask for feedback. Also, I know Rick Quatro has done some scripts for remapping tags, but I'm not sure how extensive the capabilities are -- Rick is at Rick Quatro frameexp...@truevine.net. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:30 AM, edwardsdo edward...@neb.rr.com wrote: My employer has implemented a new corporate-level style guide that impacts the look and feel of our customer-facing documentation. Source files for these documents are created/maintained using unstructured FrameMaker 8 running on Windows XP sp 3. 13 writers are updating the majority of our current documents (group A) by applying templates that use the existing paragraph/character/table format naming conventions and reflect the new style requirements. A small group of the documents to be updated (group B) uses the A4 page size and a set of paragraph/character/table formats that have completely different naming conventions than those used group A. Group B includes 50+ documents with a total of 650 source files and just over 10,000 pages. We're considering the options we have for converting the group B documents to the new style guide requirements. One option is to convert the group B documents to the templates used for the group A documents, including paragraph/character/table naming conventions and the letter page size, so that we can move forward with a single, consistent set of templates for all FM documents. However, this option means that we must identify all paragraph/character/table names in the group B documents, rename them with corresponding names from the group A templates, and then apply the group A templates to each FM file. Definitely a labor-intensive process unless it can be automated significantly, possibly with FrameScript. The other option is to modify the templates currently used for the group B documents to obtain the needed look and feel, and then reapply those templates to the group B documents. The conversion effort would be reduced significantly, but we would still have two sets of FM templates to maintain. Is there a more efficient way to implement either of the options I have described? Are there other options for reformatting the group B documents? Thanks. Doug Edwards ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker and ClearCase
At my previous employer, we looked at Chrystal's Canterbury and decided against it. Which turned out to be a pretty good decision because within a year the product was on life support. There simply was never enough of a client base to justify the development/maintenance cost. Chrystal Software was a Xerox incubator company whose main products were a CMS called Astoria and an XML editor called Eclipse. Xerox sold Chrystal to a company called Lightspeed Interactive in early 2002. In mid-2002, Lightspeed was bought by a company called TopicalNet, who adopted the Lightspeed name post-purchase. Then in late 2002, Lightspeed was bought by a company called Astoria Software. More recently, Astoria Software was bought by TransPerfect, a translation company. -Fred Ridder From: samantha_li...@mentor.com To: eshis...@brocade.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker and ClearCase Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:48:52 + Hi Emelita- We looked at it, but FM files are binaries. The repository gets huge very quickly. Also, even if you store MIF instead, you still can’t get any of the usual ClearCase benefits of merging or doc comparison, because MIFs (at least in older versions; this was FM6) do not preserve where the line ends and the internal marker IDs change every time you update. It took up a lot of memory and there really wasn’t much we could do with it other than get out archived copies (and that wasn’t very easy). Incidentally, this problem applies with every source control system we’ve looked at; it isn’t just ClearCase. The one advantage would be if your employer is using the entire Rational system and wants to tie specific versions to completed requirements in another part of the suite. Still a lot of memory consumption, though. On this vein, back in the 90s there was a product called Canterbury from Chrystal Software designed to do source control and versioning specifically for FrameMaker. Anyone know what became of it? -Sam. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Emelita Shishido Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:38 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and ClearCase I wanted to know if anyone has used ClearCase for versioning their Frame files? Emelita ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Applying new templates to existing documents
Doug, I've done this type of thing for several clients, though on a slightly smaller scale. I've used a couple of tools that make the process much more doable. Here's what I've done: 1. Analyze documents for styles used using the Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plugins from Silicon Prairie. I did not look at every single file, but would select a few from each book and look at what's there. I would print some lists of styles, then check off or add to until I had all the style names, including paragraph, character, table, cross reference, variables, and conditions. 2. Map all the styles in use to the new template styles. I use Rick Quatro's FrameScript (something like FindChangeFormatsBatch). You just have a table in a Frame file and map the old style to the new style and say whether to delete the old style. It lets you map all of the styles I listed above. These two steps are what take the most time. 3. Test the mapping/conversion by importing the new template into a copy of the book, running the script, and looking at the results. 4. Adjust the mapping based on the test results. 5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 on a couple of books. 6. Run the script on the live books. This part is amazingly fast! Voila! You may find some outliers here and there that you missed. If they're in a bunch of files, you can create a new mapping file for just those few styles and rerun the script. ~ Linda G. Gallagher STC Fellow TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com http://www.techcomplus.com/ 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 Tutorials, show me demos, user guides, help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates RMIMA Secretary www.RMIMA.org http://www.rmima.org/ _ From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of edwardsdo Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Applying new templates to existing documents My employer has implemented a new corporate-level style guide that impacts the look and feel of our customer-facing documentation. Source files for these documents are created/maintained using unstructured FrameMaker 8 running on Windows XP sp 3. 13 writers are updating the majority of our current documents (group A) by applying templates that use the existing paragraph/character/table format naming conventions and reflect the new style requirements. A small group of the documents to be updated (group B) uses the A4 page size and a set of paragraph/character/table formats that have completely different naming conventions than those used group A. Group B includes 50+ documents with a total of 650 source files and just over 10,000 pages. We're considering the options we have for converting the group B documents to the new style guide requirements. One option is to convert the group B documents to the templates used for the group A documents, including paragraph/character/table naming conventions and the letter page size, so that we can move forward with a single, consistent set of templates for all FM documents. However, this option means that we must identify all paragraph/character/table names in the group B documents, rename them with corresponding names from the group A templates, and then apply the group A templates to each FM file. Definitely a labor-intensive process unless it can be automated significantly, possibly with FrameScript. The other option is to modify the templates currently used for the group B documents to obtain the needed look and feel, and then reapply those templates to the group B documents. The conversion effort would be reduced significantly, but we would still have two sets of FM templates to maintain. Is there a more efficient way to implement either of the options I have described? Are there other options for reformatting the group B documents? Thanks. Doug Edwards ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Corrupted graphics placement by reference
I am using FrameMaker 5.5.6 in Windows 7 Home Premium. Within the past week, and never before, photo graphics placed by reference gray randomly in printing, and sometimes within Frame sessions. I can't print a document with as few as a dozen pictures, without a lost reference. I find slight control in re-importing graphics. Uninstall and re-install did nothing to help. I use FrameMaker daily to document work as a construction contractor, and must do something. I suspect a new computer or new hard drive might behave. Phillip Norman Attic Access, Portland, Oregon pjnorman at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/ http://sites.google.com/a/r5portals.com/www/home -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110726/6befaf86/attachment.html>
Corrupted graphics placement by reference
Phillip Norman wrote: > I am using FrameMaker 5.5.6 in Windows 7 Home Premium. Within the past > week, and never before, photo graphics placed by reference gray > randomly in printing, and sometimes within Frame sessions. I can't > print a document with as few as a dozen pictures, without a lost > reference. I find slight control in re-importing graphics. Uninstall > and re-install did nothing to help. > > I use FrameMaker daily to document work as a construction contractor, > and must do something. I suspect a new computer or new hard drive might > behave. The usual recommendation for this is more memory. But I suspect what you need is either a newer version of FM or an older version of Windows. I'm using FM 7.2 on Win 7 (in Win XP SP3 emulation mode), and it's mostly trouble-free. But FM 5.5.6 is way older than that, and I'm surprised it's working on Win 7 at all. I'd suggest getting a copy of Win XP, partitioning your hard disk (or adding a second), and setting up a dual-boot scenario where you can boot into Win XP to run FM or Win 7 to run newer apps. If you're not comfortable doing it yourself, your friendly neighborhood computer store can probably fix you up for a reasonable fee. Certainly cheaper than buying FM 10. :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
Corrupted graphics placement by reference
Odd behavior of my printing continues. Phenomenion One: File acquires errors while open for printing. An old document with many photos printed fine. Another printed without error, once. Then with file open and no saves, each successive printing as pdf, had more grayed graphics. Occurs without Phenomenon Two, permisions hangup. If I save the open FrameMaker file, it is corrupted. Phenomenon Two: Interfering administrator permissions for print, dialog. In FrameMaker, attempting to print PDF, I get dialog Save PDF File as (pathname and file name I chose). And dialog: You don?t have permission to modify files in this network location. Contact the administrator per permission to make these changes. Click OK, and I get invitation to overwrite my chosen filename. The overwritten file has random graying of graphics. Phenomenom Three: odd file creation. I get documents with odd file names such as, with zero content, especially with crashes. Crashes most often occur with graphics overload, such as scrolling too fast. Example names: Filename.auto.fm.149 Filename.auto.fm.F3E (I work with hiding of extensions for known file types.) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110726/f9dd8950/attachment.html>
Corrupted graphics placement by reference
Your "odd" file names are created when trying to do an automatic "timed" save, and/or Frame crashes and attempts to create a recovery file and doesn't clean up its temp files automatically. Completely normal. Given that you're running an antique software package on a totally unsupported OS, I'm surprised you're not getting more errors. Turn off UAC permissions in W7 if you don't want to see the Admin warnings. I'm almost afraid to ask, but what version of Acrobat/Distiller are you running to create the PDFs? Art Art Campbell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com ? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Phillip Norman wrote: > Odd behavior of my printing continues. > Phenomenion One: File acquires errors while open for printing. > An old document with many photos printed fine. Another printed without > error, once. Then with file open and no saves, each successive printing as > pdf, had more grayed graphics. Occurs without Phenomenon Two, permisions > hangup. If I save the open FrameMaker file, it is corrupted. > > Phenomenon Two: Interfering administrator permissions for print, dialog. > In FrameMaker, attempting to print PDF, I get dialog Save PDF File as > (pathname and file name I chose). > And dialog: > You don?t have permission to modify files in this network location. > Contact the administrator per permission to make these changes. > Click OK, and I get invitation to overwrite my chosen filename. The > overwritten file has random graying of graphics. > > Phenomenom Three: odd file creation. > I get documents with odd file names such as, with zero content, especially > with crashes. Crashes most often occur with graphics overload, such as > scrolling too fast. > Example names: > Filename.auto.fm.149 > Filename.auto.fm.F3E > (I work with hiding of extensions for known file types.) > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
Corrupted graphics placement by reference
I accept there may be new incompatibility with my old friend v5.5.6, under Windows 7 with some recent update. My pdf distiller is Acrobat 8 Professional. If I must upgrade, I will. Phil Norman -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110726/3a18b4c0/attachment.html>
Track Text Edits question
Frame 9, Windows XP. We're using Track Text Edits. Is there a way to open a pod and keep the options on the desk top, or must I keep clicking Special > Track Text Edits > (selection). Looks like I will have to continue to access the Special menu. Anyone know a quicker way? TIA. Corinne Kenney OpenTV
Corrupted graphics placement by reference
what about upgrading your version of Win7 & then downloading the free virtual machine it supports and set up a virtual XP machine to run FM in? From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Phillip Norman Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:05 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Corrupted graphics placement by reference I accept there may be new incompatibility with my old friend v5.5.6, under Windows 7 with some recent update. My pdf distiller is Acrobat 8 Professional. If I must upgrade, I will. Phil Norman -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110726/5b1a99cd/attachment.html>
Corrupted graphics placement by reference
On 26/07/2011 12:35 PM, Phillip Norman wrote: > Odd behavior of my printing continues. > > Phenomenion One: File acquires errors while open for printing. > An old document with many photos printed fine. Another printed without > error, once. Then with file open and no saves, each successive printing > as pdf, had more grayed graphics. Occurs without Phenomenon Two, > permisions hangup. If I save the open FrameMaker file, it is corrupted. > > > Phenomenon Two: Interfering administrator permissions for print, dialog. > In FrameMaker, attempting to print PDF, I get dialog Save PDF File as > (pathname and file name I chose). > And dialog: > You don?t have permission to modify files in this network location. > Contact the administrator per permission to make these changes. > > Click OK, and I get invitation to overwrite my chosen filename. The > overwritten file has random graying of graphics. > > > Phenomenom Three: odd file creation. > I get documents with odd file names such as, with zero content, > especially with crashes. Crashes most often occur with graphics > overload, such as scrolling too fast. > Example names: > Filename.auto.fm.149 > Filename.auto.fm.F3E > (I work with hiding of extensions for known file types.) It really sounds like a desperatly low memory problem, and you still haven't told us anything about your hardware. Win 7 requires 1 GB of RAM, according to Microsoft; their specs are usually the absolute bare minimum that will allow a system to run. How much RAM do you have, and how many other programs or processes are you running at the same time as FM/Acrobat? Have you had a look at your Task Manager Processes and Performance tabs (or whatever Win 7 calls them) while working with your files? More info may help... -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
Track Text Edits question
On 26/07/2011 1:09 PM, Corinne Kenney wrote: > Frame 9, Windows XP. > > We're using Track Text Edits. Is there a way to open a pod and keep > the options on the desk top, or must I keep clicking Special> Track > Text Edits> (selection). You *never* have to click Special > Track Text Edits > (selection). You never have to *click* any menu items. Unplug your mouse for a few days and learn what a good friend the Alt key is. You can curl your left thumb under to hold it down while you type any of the underlined letters in menu names, then release it and type any underlined letter in the submenu names. Choosing something from Track Text Edits takes three keystrokes: Alt + s, r, (underlined letter of selection) > > Looks like I will have to continue to access the Special menu. Anyone > know a quicker way? I don't know how to make that menu into a persistent pod, but even if you manage that, you will be slower and less productive by clicking on it than if you just use the keyboard shortcuts for the menus. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
Track text edits
Thanks, Penelope and Stuart. Corinne Kenney OpenTV
Applying new templates to existing documents
My employer has implemented a new corporate-level style guide that impacts the look and feel of our customer-facing documentation. Source files for these documents are created/maintained using unstructured FrameMaker 8 running on Windows XP sp 3. 13 writers are updating the majority of our current documents (group A) by applying templates that use the existing paragraph/character/table format naming conventions and reflect the new style requirements. A small group of the documents to be updated (group B) uses the A4 page size and a set of paragraph/character/table formats that have completely different naming conventions than those used group A. Group B includes 50+ documents with a total of 650 source files and just over 10,000 pages. We're considering the options we have for converting the group B documents to the new style guide requirements. One option is to convert the group B documents to the templates used for the group A documents, including paragraph/character/table naming conventions and the letter page size, so that we can move forward with a single, consistent set of templates for all FM documents. However, this option means that we must identify all paragraph/character/table names in the group B documents, rename them with corresponding names from the group A templates, and then apply the group A templates to each FM file. Definitely a labor-intensive process unless it can be automated significantly, possibly with FrameScript. The other option is to modify the templates currently used for the group B documents to obtain the needed look and feel, and then reapply those templates to the group B documents. The conversion effort would be reduced significantly, but we would still have two sets of FM templates to maintain. Is there a more efficient way to implement either of the options I have described? Are there other options for reformatting the group B documents? Thanks. Doug Edwards -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110726/999e9950/attachment.html>
Corrupted graphics placement by reference
Try creating a new document and importing some of the same graphics by reference. Does the same thing happen? Are the graphics located on a network or removable drive? On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Phillip Norman wrote: > I am using FrameMaker 5.5.6 in Windows 7 Home Premium. Within the past week, > and never before, photo graphics placed by reference gray randomly in > printing, and sometimes within Frame sessions. I can't print a document with > as few as a dozen pictures, without a lost reference. I find slight control > in re-importing graphics. Uninstall and re-install did nothing to help. > I use FrameMaker daily to document work as a construction contractor, and > must do something. I suspect a new computer or new hard drive might behave. > Phillip Norman > Attic Access, Portland, Oregon > pjnorman at gmail.com > http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/ > http://sites.google.com/a/r5portals.com/www/home > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_gonzo at pobox.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > -- Steve Johnson, dr_gonzo at pobox.com
Corrupted graphics placement by reference
Hi Phillip, I wasn't even aware that you could run such an old version of Frame on Windows 7, so I'm not entirely surprised you are having some intermittent problems. I was going to suggest running it in XP compatibility mode but that is not available with Windows 7 Home.In actuality, it isn't a new machine you need, it's an old operating system. Frame 5.5.6 needs Windows XP. Berny Gagne Lead Technical Writer Thinkpath Engineering Toronto, Ontario From: Phillip Norman <pjnor...@gmail.com> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:17:23 AM Subject: Corrupted graphics placement by reference I am using FrameMaker 5.5.6 in Windows 7 Home Premium. Within the past week, and never before, photo graphics placed by reference gray randomly in printing, and sometimes within Frame sessions. I can't print a document with as few as a dozen pictures, without a lost reference. I find slight control in re-importing graphics. Uninstall and re-install did nothing to help. I use FrameMaker daily to document work as a construction contractor, and must do something. I suspect a new computer or new hard drive might behave. Phillip Norman Attic Access, Portland, Oregon pjnorman at gmail.com http://sites.google.com/site/phillipnormanatticaccess/ http://sites.google.com/a/r5portals.com/www/home ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bernygagne at rogers.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernygagne%40rogers.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110726/e3ef2d15/attachment.html>
Corrupted graphics placement by reference
You can also get the free VMWare Player (which might have a different name now) and install XP there. That should run OK on Windows 7 with enough memory. I used it quite a bit in a previous job. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Combs, Richard wrote: > Phillip Norman wrote: > >> I am using FrameMaker 5.5.6 in Windows 7 Home Premium. Within the past >> week, and never before, photo graphics placed by reference gray >> randomly in printing, and sometimes within Frame sessions. I can't >> print a document with as few as a dozen pictures, without a lost >> reference. I find slight control in re-importing graphics. Uninstall >> and re-install did nothing to help. >> >> I use FrameMaker daily to document work as a construction contractor, >> and must do something. I suspect a new computer or new hard drive might >> behave. > > The usual recommendation for this is more memory. But I suspect what you need > is either a newer version of FM or an older version of Windows. I'm using FM > 7.2 on Win 7 (in Win XP SP3 emulation mode), and it's mostly trouble-free. > But FM 5.5.6 is way older than that, and I'm surprised it's working on Win 7 > at all. > > I'd suggest getting a copy of Win XP, partitioning your hard disk (or adding > a second), and setting up a dual-boot scenario where you can boot into Win XP > to run FM or Win 7 to run newer apps. If you're not comfortable doing it > yourself, your friendly neighborhood computer store can probably fix you up > for a reasonable fee. Certainly cheaper than buying FM 10. :-) > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-903-6372 > -- > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_gonzo at pobox.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Steve Johnson, dr_gonzo at pobox.com
FrameMaker and ClearCase
Hi Emelita- We looked at it, but FM files are binaries. The repository gets huge very quickly. Also, even if you store MIF instead, you still can't get any of the usual ClearCase benefits of merging or doc comparison, because MIFs (at least in older versions; this was FM6) do not preserve where the line ends and the internal marker IDs change every time you update. It took up a lot of memory and there really wasn't much we could do with it other than get out archived copies (and that wasn't very easy). Incidentally, this problem applies with every source control system we've looked at; it isn't just ClearCase. The one advantage would be if your employer is using the entire Rational system and wants to tie specific versions to completed requirements in another part of the suite. Still a lot of memory consumption, though. On this vein, back in the 90s there was a product called Canterbury from Chrystal Software designed to do source control and versioning specifically for FrameMaker. Anyone know what became of it? -Sam. From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Emelita Shishido Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:38 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and ClearCase I wanted to know if anyone has used ClearCase for versioning their Frame files? Emelita -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110726/585f5468/attachment.html>
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Others have solved this problem with a combination of tools -- I'd look at the Clean Import Plug-in to import the new template info, and any of several paragraph-mapping tools/plug-ins that are on the market. Because there are several, you can probably try them out to ask for feedback. Also, I know Rick Quatro has done some scripts for remapping tags, but I'm not sure how extensive the capabilities are -- Rick is at "Rick Quatro" . Art Campbell ? ? ? ? ? ? ? art.campbell at gmail.com ? "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? No disclaimers apply. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:30 AM, edwardsdo wrote: > My employer has implemented a new corporate-level style guide that impacts > the look and feel of our customer-facing documentation. Source files for > these documents are created/maintained using unstructured FrameMaker 8 > running on Windows XP sp 3.?13 writers?are updating the majority of our > current documents (group A)?by applying templates that use the existing > paragraph/character/table format naming conventions and reflect the new > style requirements. A small group of the documents?to be updated (group B) > uses the A4 page size and a set of paragraph/character/table formats that > have completely different naming conventions than those used group A. Group > B includes?50+ documents with a total of 650 source files and just over > 10,000 pages.?We're considering the options?we have for converting the group > B?documents to the new style guide requirements. > > One option is to convert?the?group B?documents to the templates used for the > group A documents, including paragraph/character/table naming conventions > and the letter page size, so that we can move forward with a single, > consistent set of templates for all FM documents. However, this option?means > that we must identify all paragraph/character/table names in the?group > B?documents, rename them with corresponding names from the?group A > templates, and then apply the?group A?templates to each FM file. Definitely > a labor-intensive process unless it can be automated significantly, possibly > with FrameScript. > > The other option is to modify the templates currently used for the?group > B?documents to obtain the needed look and feel, and then reapply those > templates to the?group B?documents. The conversion effort would be reduced > significantly, but we would still have two sets of FM templates to maintain. > > Is there a more efficient way to implement either of the options I have > described? Are there other options for reformatting the?group B?documents? > > Thanks. > > Doug Edwards > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
FrameMaker and ClearCase
At my previous employer, we looked at Chrystal's Canterbury and decided against it. Which turned out to be a pretty good decision because within a year the product was on life support. There simply was never enough of a client base to justify the development/maintenance cost. Chrystal Software was a Xerox incubator company whose main products were a CMS called Astoria and an XML editor called Eclipse. Xerox sold Chrystal to a company called Lightspeed Interactive in early 2002. In mid-2002, Lightspeed was bought by a company called TopicalNet, who adopted the Lightspeed name post-purchase. Then in late 2002, Lightspeed was bought by a company called Astoria Software. More recently, Astoria Software was bought by TransPerfect, a translation company. -Fred Ridder From: samantha_li...@mentor.com To: eshishid at brocade.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker and ClearCase Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:48:52 + Hi Emelita- We looked at it, but FM files are binaries. The repository gets huge very quickly. Also, even if you store MIF instead, you still can?t get any of the usual ClearCase benefits of merging or doc comparison, because MIFs (at least in older versions; this was FM6) do not preserve where the line ends and the internal marker IDs change every time you update. It took up a lot of memory and there really wasn?t much we could do with it other than get out archived copies (and that wasn?t very easy). Incidentally, this problem applies with every source control system we?ve looked at; it isn?t just ClearCase. The one advantage would be if your employer is using the entire Rational system and wants to tie specific versions to completed requirements in another part of the suite. Still a lot of memory consumption, though. On this vein, back in the 90s there was a product called Canterbury from Chrystal Software designed to do source control and versioning specifically for FrameMaker. Anyone know what became of it? -Sam. From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Emelita Shishido Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:38 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and ClearCase I wanted to know if anyone has used ClearCase for versioning their Frame files? Emelita ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110726/c2ba28f4/attachment.html>
Applying new templates to existing documents
The Paragraph Tools, Character Tools, and Table Tools plugins might be of use to you. They let you convert from one set of formats to another: http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/ Mike
Applying new templates to existing documents
Doug, I've done this type of thing for several clients, though on a slightly smaller scale. I've used a couple of tools that make the process much more doable. Here's what I've done: 1. Analyze documents for styles used using the Paragraph Tools and Character Tools plugins from Silicon Prairie. I did not look at every single file, but would select a few from each book and look at what's there. I would print some lists of styles, then check off or add to until I had all the style names, including paragraph, character, table, cross reference, variables, and conditions. 2. Map all the styles in use to the new template styles. I use Rick Quatro's FrameScript (something like FindChangeFormatsBatch). You just have a table in a Frame file and map the old style to the new style and say whether to delete the old style. It lets you map all of the styles I listed above. These two steps are what take the most time. 3. Test the mapping/conversion by importing the new template into a copy of the book, running the script, and looking at the results. 4. Adjust the mapping based on the test results. 5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 on a couple of books. 6. Run the script on the "live" books. This part is amazingly fast! Voila! You may find some outliers here and there that you missed. If they're in a bunch of files, you can create a new mapping file for just those few styles and rerun the script. ~ Linda G. Gallagher STC Fellow TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com <http://www.techcomplus.com/> 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 Tutorials, "show me" demos, user guides, help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates RMIMA Secretary www.RMIMA.org <http://www.rmima.org/> _ From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of edwardsdo Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:30 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Applying new templates to existing documents My employer has implemented a new corporate-level style guide that impacts the look and feel of our customer-facing documentation. Source files for these documents are created/maintained using unstructured FrameMaker 8 running on Windows XP sp 3. 13 writers are updating the majority of our current documents (group A) by applying templates that use the existing paragraph/character/table format naming conventions and reflect the new style requirements. A small group of the documents to be updated (group B) uses the A4 page size and a set of paragraph/character/table formats that have completely different naming conventions than those used group A. Group B includes 50+ documents with a total of 650 source files and just over 10,000 pages. We're considering the options we have for converting the group B documents to the new style guide requirements. One option is to convert the group B documents to the templates used for the group A documents, including paragraph/character/table naming conventions and the letter page size, so that we can move forward with a single, consistent set of templates for all FM documents. However, this option means that we must identify all paragraph/character/table names in the group B documents, rename them with corresponding names from the group A templates, and then apply the group A templates to each FM file. Definitely a labor-intensive process unless it can be automated significantly, possibly with FrameScript. The other option is to modify the templates currently used for the group B documents to obtain the needed look and feel, and then reapply those templates to the group B documents. The conversion effort would be reduced significantly, but we would still have two sets of FM templates to maintain. Is there a more efficient way to implement either of the options I have described? Are there other options for reformatting the group B documents? Thanks. Doug Edwards -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20110726/e8e3c8c3/attachment.html>
