RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
Steve Rickaby said: As an avid use and evangeliser of FrameMaker since version 3, Same here ... I began using FrameMaker in 1988 on a Sun 3/50 in SunOS. Steve Rickaby said: I think some decisions have been made that Adobe could come to regret. Unfortunately, I agree. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
At 16:53 -0600 18/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: /f, isn't it? It may well be, but if so, this isn't implemented in my ancient version (7). I'll be moving to Framemaker 10 sometime this year, but not for the current job. Just have to do it manually [sigh]. Thanks anyway though. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
At 09:07 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into it on my old laptop. For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on. This is getting more interesting. \f does work in FrameMaker 7, but it only finds some instances of the '.\f' combo I'm trying to find. However - and it's a big 'however' - the source came from Word, and the instances of '.\f' that FrameMaker *is* finding are those I've typed, but not those that came from Word. My guess is that - for the Word-sourced material - what looks like a period/end of flow on screen is something else, and/or has some invisible Word-type-crud after the period but before the end of the flow. And copying them from the document to the Find field doesn't work either: copy/pasting the period alone works, but doesn't work when '\f' is added to the find string. Probably the best way to sort this is to de-table the lot, MIF-wash it and re-table it all again, but it's Sunday... So the bottom line is that '\f' is what I was looking for - the Word crud is my problem. So double thanks ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: End-of-flow wildcard?
Steve, Craig I'm using FM10, but \f did locate the end of flow symbol. --Paul Wilbraham Paul Wilbraham Senior Consultant Trainer M-AIS T: 0131 226 5893 M: 07928 797 281 On 19 January 2014 14:32, Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.ukwrote: At 16:53 -0600 18/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: /f, isn't it? It may well be, but if so, this isn't implemented in my ancient version (7). I'll be moving to Framemaker 10 sometime this year, but not for the current job. Just have to do it manually [sigh]. Thanks anyway though. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/paul.wilbraham%40m-ais.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
At 09:56 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote:
Well, I'm getting an even more peculiar result in FM7.0p579
The search dialog gives me an error saying I need to have text in the search
box when I look for \f alone.
How odd. FM7.0p577 for Mac here, and it works just fine. (I didn't know there
was a p579 ;-)
If I change the search to something like .\f (to search for a period before
and end of flow) it finds all periods.
I suppose that's consistent with '\f' not working. Sort of.
Similarly with space. But it ignores the end of flow symbol and so finds
periods at the end of every sentence or spaces wherever they occur. Useless!
Indeed.
Regarding Word inserting things:
It might work to copy one of the offending text sequences and then search
and replace with text via FrameMaker replace so you have a known series of
characters. There are things MIF wash doesn't seem to deal with. I get table
padding from Word that seems to be impossible to remove without creating a
new table and then pasting the content into it.
Ah. Um... [thinks...]
Going to end of flow and typing backspace/delete requires two key presses to
delete the stop, suggesting strongly that there is an invisible something
there. MIFfing the file and looking at it in a text editor (TextWrangler) shows
something like this at the end of a cell:
String `P'
Font
FTag `Emphasis'
FChangeBar No
FLocked No
# end of Font
String `roceedings of PLoP 1996'
Font
FTag `'
FLocked No
# end of Font
String `.'
# end of ParaLine
# end of Para
# end of CellContent
# end of Cell
# end of Row
('PLoP', for the curious, is a conference series, 'Patterns Languages of
Programming')
So it looks like there's a needless font switch in the way. However, a few
cells down, we have this:
Font
FTag `'
FLocked No
# end of Font
String `New York: Oxford University '
# end of ParaLine
ParaLine
String `Press.'
# end of ParaLine
# end of Para
# end of CellContent
# end of Cell
# end of Row
...but FrameMaker can't find the period at the end of 'Press' either! And
again, in the document, two deletes at the end of flow are required to delete
the period.
This substantiates your suggestion that Word crud can even hide in a MIF. A
binary editor might find them, but I don't have one here.
'Go figure', as my US pal likes to write ;-)
--
Steve
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RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
The FrameMaker Word import filter leaves a line-feed character at the end of each paragraph. You can't see it, but it is there and apparently affects your search. I routinely strip them out in my scripts. A MIF-wash should remove them. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:26 AM To: Craig Ede; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard? At 09:07 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into it on my old laptop. For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on. This is getting more interesting. \f does work in FrameMaker 7, but it only finds some instances of the '.\f' combo I'm trying to find. However - and it's a big 'however' - the source came from Word, and the instances of '.\f' that FrameMaker *is* finding are those I've typed, but not those that came from Word. My guess is that - for the Word-sourced material - what looks like a period/end of flow on screen is something else, and/or has some invisible Word-type-crud after the period but before the end of the flow. And copying them from the document to the Find field doesn't work either: copy/pasting the period alone works, but doesn't work when '\f' is added to the find string. Probably the best way to sort this is to de-table the lot, MIF-wash it and re-table it all again, but it's Sunday... So the bottom line is that '\f' is what I was looking for - the Word crud is my problem. So double thanks ;-) -- Steve ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
Rick Quatro said: The FrameMaker Word import filter leaves a line-feed character at the end of each paragraph. You can't see it, but it is there and apparently affects your search. I routinely strip them out in my scripts. A MIF-wash should remove them. I have seen exactly this too. But, as I recall, a MIF-wash did not clear it up for me ... have not checked recently though. If the file was not too large and I had a bit of time for initial cleanup, my usual method was to bring it in as text and re-apply what FrameMaker paragraph and character formats I needed. A slow process (would take me a day or two for around less than 100 page documents), but resulted in cleaner FM files ultimately. Also gave me a chance to read the document and verify what I wanted it to say and look like. :) Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:26 AM To: Craig Ede; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard? At 09:07 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into it on my old laptop. For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on. This is getting more interesting. \f does work in FrameMaker 7, but it only finds some instances of the '.\f' combo I'm trying to find. However - and it's a big 'however' - the source came from Word, and the instances of '.\f' that FrameMaker *is* finding are those I've typed, but not those that came from Word. My guess is that - for the Word-sourced material - what looks like a period/end of flow on screen is something else, and/or has some invisible Word-type-crud after the period but before the end of the flow. And copying them from the document to the Find field doesn't work either: copy/pasting the period alone works, but doesn't work when '\f' is added to the find string. Probably the best way to sort this is to de-table the lot, MIF-wash it and re-table it all again, but it's Sunday... So the bottom line is that '\f' is what I was looking for - the Word crud is my problem. So double thanks ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
End-of-flow wildcard?
Steve Rickaby said: > As an avid use and evangeliser of FrameMaker since version 3, Same here ... I began using FrameMaker in 1988 on a Sun 3/50 in SunOS. Steve Rickaby said: > I think some decisions have been made that Adobe could come to regret. Unfortunately, I agree. Z
End-of-flow wildcard?
At 16:53 -0600 18/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: >/f, isn't it? It may well be, but if so, this isn't implemented in my ancient version (7). I'll be moving to Framemaker 10 sometime this year, but not for the current job. Just have to do it manually [sigh]. Thanks anyway though. -- Steve
End-of-flow wildcard?
At 09:07 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: >Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into it on >my old laptop. > >For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on. This is getting more interesting. \f does work in FrameMaker 7, but it only finds some instances of the '.\f' combo I'm trying to find. However - and it's a big 'however' - the source came from Word, and the instances of '.\f' that FrameMaker *is* finding are those I've typed, but not those that came from Word. My guess is that - for the Word-sourced material - what looks like a period/end of flow on screen is something else, and/or has some invisible Word-type-crud after the period but before the end of the flow. And copying them from the document to the Find field doesn't work either: copy/pasting the period alone works, but doesn't work when '\f' is added to the find string. Probably the best way to sort this is to de-table the lot, MIF-wash it and re-table it all again, but it's Sunday... So the bottom line is that '\f' is what I was looking for - the Word crud is my problem. So double thanks ;-) -- Steve
End-of-flow wildcard?
Steve, Craig I'm using FM10, but \f did locate the end of flow symbol. --Paul Wilbraham Paul Wilbraham Senior Consultant & Trainer M-AIS T: 0131 226 5893 M: 07928 797 281 On 19 January 2014 14:32, Steve Rickaby wrote: > At 16:53 -0600 18/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: > > >/f, isn't it? > > It may well be, but if so, this isn't implemented in my ancient version > (7). I'll be moving to Framemaker 10 sometime this year, but not for the > current job. > > Just have to do it manually [sigh]. Thanks anyway though. > -- > Steve > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as paul.wilbraham at m-ais.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/paul.wilbraham%40m-ais.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/attachments/20140119/c786210f/attachment.html>
End-of-flow wildcard?
At 09:56 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote:
>Well, I'm getting an even more peculiar result in FM7.0p579
>The search dialog gives me an error saying I need to have text in the search
>box when I look for \f alone.
How odd. FM7.0p577 for Mac here, and it works just fine. (I didn't know there
was a p579 ;-)
>If I change the search to something like .\f (to search for a period before
>and end of flow) it finds all periods.
I suppose that's consistent with '\f' not working. Sort of.
>Similarly with space. But it ignores the end of flow symbol and so finds
>periods at the end of every sentence or spaces wherever they occur. Useless!
Indeed.
>Regarding Word inserting things:
>It might work to copy one of the offending text sequences and then search
>and replace with text via FrameMaker replace so you have a known series of
>characters. There are things MIF wash doesn't seem to deal with. I get table
>padding from Word that seems to be impossible to remove without creating a
>new table and then pasting the content into it.
Ah. Um... [thinks...]
Going to end of flow and typing backspace/delete requires two key presses to
delete the stop, suggesting strongly that there is an invisible something
there. MIFfing the file and looking at it in a text editor (TextWrangler) shows
something like this at the end of a cell:
> # end of Font
> # end of Font
> # end of ParaLine
> # end of Para
> # end of CellContent
> # end of Cell
> # end of Row
('PLoP', for the curious, is a conference series, 'Patterns Languages of
Programming')
So it looks like there's a needless font switch in the way. However, a few
cells down, we have this:
> # end of Font
> # end of ParaLine
> # end of ParaLine
> # end of Para
> # end of CellContent
> # end of Cell
> # end of Row
...but FrameMaker can't find the period at the end of 'Press' either! And
again, in the document, two deletes at the end of flow are required to delete
the period.
This substantiates your suggestion that Word crud can even hide in a MIF. A
binary editor might find them, but I don't have one here.
'Go figure', as my US pal likes to write ;-)
--
Steve
End-of-flow wildcard?
The FrameMaker Word import filter leaves a line-feed character at the end of each paragraph. You can't see it, but it is there and apparently affects your search. I routinely strip them out in my scripts. A MIF-wash should remove them. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 rick at frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:26 AM To: Craig Ede; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard? At 09:07 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: >Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into >it on my old laptop. > >For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on. This is getting more interesting. \f does work in FrameMaker 7, but it only finds some instances of the '.\f' combo I'm trying to find. However - and it's a big 'however' - the source came from Word, and the instances of '.\f' that FrameMaker *is* finding are those I've typed, but not those that came from Word. My guess is that - for the Word-sourced material - what looks like a period/end of flow on screen is something else, and/or has some invisible Word-type-crud after the period but before the end of the flow. And copying them from the document to the Find field doesn't work either: copy/pasting the period alone works, but doesn't work when '\f' is added to the find string. Probably the best way to sort this is to de-table the lot, MIF-wash it and re-table it all again, but it's Sunday... So the bottom line is that '\f' is what I was looking for - the Word crud is my problem. So double thanks ;-) -- Steve ___
End-of-flow wildcard?
Rick Quatro said: > The FrameMaker Word import filter leaves a line-feed character at the end of > each paragraph. You can't see it, but it is there and apparently affects your > search. I routinely strip them out in my scripts. A MIF-wash should remove > them. I have seen exactly this too. But, as I recall, a MIF-wash did not clear it up for me ... have not checked recently though. If the file was not too large and I had a bit of time for initial cleanup, my usual method was to bring it in as text and re-apply what FrameMaker paragraph and character formats I needed. A slow process (would take me a day or two for around less than 100 page documents), but resulted in cleaner FM files ultimately. Also gave me a chance to read the document and verify what I wanted it to say and look like. :) Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:26 AM To: Craig Ede; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard? At 09:07 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: >Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into it on my >old laptop. > >For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on. This is getting more interesting. \f does work in FrameMaker 7, but it only finds some instances of the '.\f' combo I'm trying to find. However - and it's a big 'however' - the source came from Word, and the instances of '.\f' that FrameMaker *is* finding are those I've typed, but not those that came from Word. My guess is that - for the Word-sourced material - what looks like a period/end of flow on screen is something else, and/or has some invisible Word-type-crud after the period but before the end of the flow. And copying them from the document to the Find field doesn't work either: copy/pasting the period alone works, but doesn't work when '\f' is added to the find string. Probably the best way to sort this is to de-table the lot, MIF-wash it and re-table it all again, but it's Sunday... So the bottom line is that '\f' is what I was looking for - the Word crud is my problem. So double thanks ;-) -- Steve
End-of-flow wildcard?
Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into it on my old laptop. For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on. Craig -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:32 AM To: Craig Ede; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard? At 16:53 -0600 18/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: >/f, isn't it? It may well be, but if so, this isn't implemented in my ancient version (7). I'll be moving to Framemaker 10 sometime this year, but not for the current job. Just have to do it manually [sigh]. Thanks anyway though. -- Steve
End-of-flow wildcard?
Well, I'm getting an even more peculiar result in FM7.0p579 The search dialog gives me an error saying I need to have text in the search box when I look for \f alone. If I change the search to something like .\f (to search for a period before and end of flow) it finds all periods. Similarly with space. But it ignores the end of flow symbol and so finds periods at the end of every sentence or spaces wherever they occur. Useless! Regarding Word inserting things: It might work to copy one of the offending text sequences and then search and replace with text via FrameMaker replace so you have a known series of characters. There are things MIF wash doesn't seem to deal with. I get table padding from Word that seems to be impossible to remove without creating a new table and then pasting the content into it. Good luck, Craig -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:26 AM To: Craig Ede; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard? At 09:07 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote: >Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into >it on my old laptop. > >For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on. This is getting more interesting. \f does work in FrameMaker 7, but it only finds some instances of the '.\f' combo I'm trying to find. However - and it's a big 'however' - the source came from Word, and the instances of '.\f' that FrameMaker *is* finding are those I've typed, but not those that came from Word. My guess is that - for the Word-sourced material - what looks like a period/end of flow on screen is something else, and/or has some invisible Word-type-crud after the period but before the end of the flow. And copying them from the document to the Find field doesn't work either: copy/pasting the period alone works, but doesn't work when '\f' is added to the find string. Probably the best way to sort this is to de-table the lot, MIF-wash it and re-table it all again, but it's Sunday... So the bottom line is that '\f' is what I was looking for - the Word crud is my problem. So double thanks ;-) -- Steve
