RE: 7.2 message when you save

[Caroline Tabach]

   
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   Yes,
   
   that seems to be the = answer.
   
   thanks for the = help
   

   

   
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= From: Ankur SRIVASTAVA 
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   Sent: Thu 7/20/2006 2:06 
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   To: 'DG'; Caroline Tabach
   Cc: 
= 'Framers'
   Subject: RE: 7.2 message when you = save
   
   

   Hi Debashish,
   I supppose, one can turn this = option off by 
= UNCHECKING Show warning
   while
   clearing history 
= option.
   Regrads
   Ankur
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   Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:46 PM
   To: = Caroline 
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   Subject: Re: 7.2 message when you 
= save
   Hi,
   Go to = FilePreferencesGeneral.
   Select *Once 
= for every history clearing command* option.
   You cannot turn the = option off 
= but you can select this instead of
   *always*.
   Hope that 
= helps
   Debashish
   On 7/20/06, Caroline Tabach 
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  We = have 
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Version 7.2 (on = XP).
   
  
= Adobe seem to be so happy  about the
multiple undos that = every time 
= we
  save a document there is a warning  = saying

= Cannot be undone. Undo
  history will be lost. OK = to  
= continue?
   
  Is there anyway that we can  = turn 
= this
(rather irritating) message
  
= off?
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
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FrameMaker and meta-documents

[Steve Rickaby]

Dear Framers

I'm researching an article on the use of FrameMaker for creating 
meta-documents,  that is, documents built using various populations of text 
and/or graphic insets. As this is not something I've actually done myself 'in 
anger', only played with, I'd appreciate any experiences, pitfalls etc. that 
anyone would like to share.

I've identified the following possible options/levels of variant organization:

*  Conditional text insets into anchored frames on master pages can be used to 
switch page backgrounds, ornaments, etc. I have set up a test and verified that 
this works, but I'd be interested to hear whether anyone has made use of this 
method, and if so, for what.

* Conditional text insets into body pages can create variant documents based on 
standard inset files.

* Unconditional text insets into documents can create different document 
versions based on standard inset files  (the 'standard' modular document 
approach?).

* Multiple book files can create different book versions based on standard 
and/or variant documents.

Are there others?

I will also mention the  use of ur-books to collect all inset files for 
spell-checking, searching and so on.

Thanks. 
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Re: Can't use my scroll wheel in FM 7 on Mac in Classic

[Ankur Srivastava]

Hi Peter,

I don't know whether this would work with Mac or not but there is a
solution:


Frreewheel.exe (it's a free s/w) that allows the mousewheel to work on such
applications (which do not allow NATURALLY to work with mousewheel). Please
refer to the info related to this exe and the ways to download it in the
webpage mentioned below.

*http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html*http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html
HTH.
Thanks,
Ankur


On 7/20/06, Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi, Steve:

Thanks for your reply.

I just gave USB Overdrive a test. After installing it and restarting,
it seemed that FM hung, but it might have been that I just didn't set
anything in the USB Overdrive control panel.

I think the best clue in your note is about installing under Classic.
I probably need to install the MS Mouse software under Classic or
restart in 9.22 and install it, then go back to OS X and Classic.

Thanks, again.

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

At 12:31 PM 7/19/2006, Steve Rickaby wrote:

At 13:11 -0400 19/7/06, Peter Gold wrote:

 I'm using a new (to me) Mac PowerBook. On my other PowerBook, same
 OS X 10.3.9, same Classic 9.22, I can scroll in FM with any of my
 scroll-wheeled mice. On this new machine, though, I can't. I can't
 remember installing any special software for the older machine,
 other than the MS Mouse/Mac software, and I don't see anything in
 the System Preferences Mouse/Trackpad or MS Mouse control panels,
 or in the applications or utilities folders.


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RE: 7.2 message when you save

[Ankur SRIVASTAVA]

Hi Debashish,

I supppose, one can turn this option off by UNCHECKING Show warning while
clearing history option.

Regrads
Ankur


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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:46 PM
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Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: 7.2 message when you save


Hi,
Go to FilePreferencesGeneral.

Select *Once for every history clearing command* option.
You cannot turn the option off but you can select this instead of *always*.

Hope that helps

Debashish


On 7/20/06, Caroline Tabach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





   We have just  installed
 Version 7.2 (on XP).

   Adobe seem to be so happy  about the
 multiple undos that every time we
   save a document there is a warning  saying
 Cannot be undone. Undo
   history will be lost. OK to  continue?

   Is there anyway that we can  turn this
 (rather irritating) message
   off?







   Caroline  Tabach

   MarCom RADCOM

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RE: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of ContentsInclude Paragraphs Tagged

[eric . dunn]

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 7) Highlight the file testTOC.fm, right click and select Set Up table
 of Contents

 No styleas are in the left side pane.

 Why not?

Both the formats to be selected in the TOC setup and the formats actually 
selected are part of the Book component. They are not part of the TOC 
file. So naturally, until you update a book for the first time to gather 
the list of all formats, there is nothing to select. And, if you copy a 
TOC from elsewhere, there are no formats selected.

Eric L. Dunn
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RE: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of ContentsInclude Paragraphs Tagged

[eric . dunn]

Have to say I'm intrigued as to what possible purpose a TOC of a TOC would 
serve.

But, the only way to automatically set-up a generated file would be to use 
FrameScript.

Or

Have a book set up with a TOC and other generated files as you want them, 
then use that book template to build new books.

- Copy the template book, and associated generated files templates to a 
new location.
- Open template book.
- Save book with the new desired name.
- Profit from a fully set-up book.

You could even have placeholder book components set up correctly. Rename 
the placeholder components in the book to match the real files when 
building a new book.

Eric L. Dunn
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 -Original Message-
 John Posada
 Subject: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of
 ContentsInclude Paragraphs Tagged

 Hi, guys...sorry for the long subject line, but..

 OK...follow along..I have a book with 5 new files. They've had their
 styles imported from a template file or previous product file.

 When I generate a new TOC in the book, I get the Set Up Table of
 Contents dialog, and all the styles appear in the Don't Include pane
 on the right. What I'm trying to do is get the xxTOC styles to appear
 on the left pane (Include Paragraphs tagged) without having to move
 them over individualy.

 How can I do this?

 
 John Posada
 Senior Technical Writer


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RE: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup TableofContentsInclude Paragraphs Tagged

[Ridder, Fred]

The TOC and all other generated files are generated by the book, 
so it is perfectly logical that the setup of what paragraphs to extract 
is stored as part of the *book* file rather than the generated file 
itself. How else would you be able to do the initial generation of a 
generated file when you're not using a template file?  What gets 
stored in the TOC file is the *formatting* of the TOC entries, which 
is exactly what you'd expect to find in a TOC template. It all makes 
sense if you think about it. The content of the TOC is generated/ 
updated by the book, so the book controls how the content gets 
generated. The TOC file simply contains and formats the generated 
content.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
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Subject: Re: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup
TableofContentsInclude Paragraphs Tagged

Joe,

We are converting a bunch of books from one template to another. We
don't
want to manually specify the paragraphs formats that are included in the
TOC
for each book by moving them around in the Set Up Table of Contents
dialog.
This information is *not* pulled in by importing styles from a template.
As
far as we've seen, Karen's method is the only one that works.

Sorta defeats the purpose of a TOC template.

-Huntley

On 7/19/06, Joe Malin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You have to move the styles manually, even if the template TOC file
had
 styles set up from before. My guess is that FM clears out the old
 information as a feature; it only allows you to add paragraph tags
 that are in your existing files, so it must first clear out everything
 that was there from before.

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RE: Need Structure FrameMaker Class

[karyn hunt]

Ditto for the San Francisco area. Does anybody know any classes coming up 
around the San Francisco Bay Area? I really need to learn this stuff.


Karyn



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Need help finding a class to learn structured FrameMaker. Anyone know of 
any classes, especially in the Atlanta area.


Thanks, Nancy

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RE: Need Structure FrameMaker Class

[Denise L. Moss-Fritch]

Morning Karyn,

See the following link - http://www.microtype.com/trainingstruct.html

Best,

 Denise L. Moss-Fritch


 

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Ditto for the San Francisco area. Does anybody know any classes coming up
around the San Francisco Bay Area? I really need to learn this stuff.

Karyn



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Increasing Number of Files Listed in File Menu

[Steven Mays]

Hello

FM 6.0, Windows

Is there a way to increase the number of files that are listed in the file
menu?

I know that the names of these files are stored in the Maker.ini file
(RecentlyVisitedFiles). I tried entering a bank 5= and 6= in this section of
the .ini file, but this did not work.

Any ideas?

Thanks


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JCMB Technology
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RE: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of ContentsInclude Paragraphs Tagged

[John Posada]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Have to say I'm intrigued as to what possible purpose a TOC of a
 TOC would serve.

Guys...guys...it was a mis-statement. Instead of saying xxTOC styles,
I should have said styles that were used to make the TOC.

The rest of the qestion stands, and in fact, my co-worker, using a
variantion on Karen's instruction, was able to do exactly what we
needed. 

Thanks, Karen :-)

I'll try to get him to writeup how he did it sometime next
week...we're both in training clases today and tomorrow, then he
heads bck to Chicago.


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is.
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RE: Not those pesky fonts...

[Combs, Richard]

John Steiner wrote: 
 
 Rather than remembering/not remembering missing font names, 
 I'd just like to install Helvetica, Times Roman, and perhaps 
 a couple other fonts that are similarly in the public domain 
 and commonly seen on the UNIX platform.

'Scuse me, but where did you get the notion that these fonts are in the
public domain? 

My Helvetica and Times Roman families of fonts came from Adobe, cost
money, and are copyrighted. I've forgotten most of what I knew about
UNIX font issues back when I worked in Interleaf on Suns, but I'm pretty
certain we bought fonts from Adobe, Linotype, etc., back then, too. 

My suggestion: Verify from which font foundry (or licensed vendor) the
fonts being used in UNIX came, and *buy* those _same_ fonts from the
_same_ source. If the UNIX system is using some bastardized fonts (they
came free with this open-source clone of...), get them to buy
legitimate versions from a legitimate foundry/vendor (Adobe, Linotype,
Bitstream) for both platforms. 

[Actually, you don't buy fonts -- you buy licenses to use them. A single
license may permit use on multiple computers, so look into whether your
client's licenses already permit them to provide you with the fonts.] 

Second-best option: Buy legitimate versions for your Windows system.
Then study the font-mapping portion of Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf
and the fonts section of maker.ini, and map the fonts used on the UNIX
system to your equivalents. Be aware that differences in font metrics
may cause line break and pagination changes. 

HTH!
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Trying to bring up the Structure View in Frame, but only the Structure View title bar shows up, nothing else

[Gorelick, Paula]

Hi,

We're using Structured FrameMaker 7.2 plus Sourcerer 1.1. 

A co-worker is trying to edit a document and clicks the Display the
Structure View button. What she gets is the main Document window on
top, and below it the Structure View title bar with a close button (and
that's all). She can't select and drag the Structure view up to expand
it. 

Does anyone know why it's behaving like this? 


Paula

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Re: Trying to bring up the Structure View in Frame, but only the Structure View title bar shows up, nothing else

[Lynne A. Price]

At 11:53 AM 7/20/2006, Gorelick, Paula wrote:

A co-worker is trying to edit a document and clicks the Display the
Structure View button. What she gets is the main Document window on
top, and below it the Structure View title bar with a close button (and
that's all). She can't select and drag the Structure view up to expand
it.


Paula,
  She should be able to move the window by dragging the title bar. Might 
she have inadvertently shortened the Structure View to the point where all 
that's left is the title bar? In case of difficulty, remember it is always 
possible to resize or reposition the Structure View by exiting from 
FrameMaker and then editing the Structure View information in the maker.ini 
file.

--Lynne



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Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
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RE: Trying to bring up the Structure View in Frame, but only the Structure View title bar shows up, nothing else

[Combs, Richard]

Gorelick, Paula wrote: 
 
 A co-worker is trying to edit a document and clicks the 
 Display the Structure View button. What she gets is the 
 main Document window on top, and below it the Structure View 
 title bar with a close button (and that's all). She can't 
 select and drag the Structure view up to expand it. 

(Note: I'm assuming this is Windows.) Only a close button? There should
be a window menu button on the left, and clicking it should display a
menu with Move, Size, and Close commands -- is that not there? 

Try the keyboard: 

1) Click the Structure View title bar to give it focus. 
2) Press Alt+spacebar to open the window menu, and then press the s
key to select Size. 
3) Press the up arrow repeatedly. You should see the title bar move
upward as the window grows bigger. 
4) When you're done, press Enter. 

HTH!
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ANN: Table Tools 1.0 Released

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Table Tools 1.0 from Silicon Prairie Software has been released.
Table Tools is a shareware plug-in for FrameMaker that helps you manange
table tags in your FrameMaker documents.

Table Tools also provides the following routines:

- Remove Overrides
- Find Next Override
- List Table Usage
- Delete Unused Table Tags
- Create Table Tag List
- Remove Non-list Table Tags
- Fix Table Headings
- Generate Table Tag Report

Table Tools is available for both FrameMaker 6.x and 7.x, on the Windows
and Macintosh and platforms. A single-user license is $10.

The software can be downloaded from http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com


While you're at the Silicon Prairie site, be sure you have the latest
versions of all of our FrameMaker plug-ins:

Alert Tool 1.0
Auto-Text 4.0 -- Build 100
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7.2 message when you save

[Caroline Tabach]

   We have just
   Adobe seem to be so happysave a document there is a warninghistory 
will be lost. OK to
   Is there anyway that we canoff?







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7.2 message when you save

[DG]

Hi,
Go to File>Preferences>General.

Select *Once for every history clearing command* option.
You cannot turn the option off but you can select this instead of *always*.

Hope that helps

Debashish


On 7/20/06, Caroline Tabach  wrote:
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>
>
>   We have just  installed
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>
>   Adobe seem to be so happy  about the
> multiple undos that every time we
>   save a document there is a warning  saying
> "Cannot be undone. Undo
>   history will be lost. OK to  continue?"
>
>   Is there anyway that we can  turn this
> (rather irritating) message
>   off?
>
>
>
>
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>
>   MarCom RADCOM
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7.2 message when you save

[Phil Heron]

Caroline,

It's in the Preferences dialog - File > Preferences > General.

"Show warnings while clearing history".

Phil Heron

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Subject: 7.2 message when you save





   We have just installed 
Version 7.2 (on XP).

   Adobe seem to be so happy 
bout the 
multiple undos that every time we
   save a document there is a warning saying 
"Cannot be undone. Undo
   history will be lost. OK to 
ontinue?"

   Is there anyway that we can turn this 
(rather irritating) message
   off?







   Caroline Tabach

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7.2 message when you save

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   Yes,

   that seems to be the
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   Hi Debashish,
   I supppose, one can turn thiswhile
   clearing history" 
   Regrads
   Ankur
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   Hi,
   Go toSelect *Once 
   You cannot turn the*always*.
   Hope that 
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FrameMaker and meta-documents

[Steve Rickaby]

Dear Framers

I'm researching an article on the use of FrameMaker for creating 
meta-documents,  that is, documents built using various populations of text 
and/or graphic insets. As this is not something I've actually done myself 'in 
anger', only played with, I'd appreciate any experiences, pitfalls etc. that 
anyone would like to share.

I've identified the following possible options/levels of variant organization:

*  Conditional text insets into anchored frames on master pages can be used to 
switch page backgrounds, ornaments, etc. I have set up a test and verified that 
this works, but I'd be interested to hear whether anyone has made use of this 
method, and if so, for what.

* Conditional text insets into body pages can create variant documents based on 
standard inset files.

* Unconditional text insets into documents can create different document 
versions based on standard inset files  (the 'standard' modular document 
approach?).

* Multiple book files can create different book versions based on standard 
and/or variant documents.

Are there others?

I will also mention the  use of ur-books to collect all inset files for 
spell-checking, searching and so on.

Thanks. 
-- 
Steve

Can't use my scroll wheel in FM 7 on Mac in Classic

[Ankur Srivastava]

Hi Peter,

I don't know whether this would work with Mac or not but there is a
solution:


Frreewheel.exe (it's a free s/w) that allows the mousewheel to work on such
applications (which do not allow NATURALLY to work with mousewheel). Please
refer to the info related to this exe and the ways to download it in the
webpage mentioned below.

*http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2060/freewheel.html*
HTH.
Thanks,
Ankur


On 7/20/06, Peter Gold  wrote:
>
> Hi, Steve:
>
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> I just gave USB Overdrive a test. After installing it and restarting,
> it seemed that FM hung, but it might have been that I just didn't set
> anything in the USB Overdrive control panel.
>
> I think the best clue in your note is about installing under Classic.
> I probably need to install the MS Mouse software under Classic or
> restart in 9.22 and install it, then go back to OS X and Classic.
>
> Thanks, again.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
>
> At 12:31 PM 7/19/2006, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>
> >At 13:11 -0400 19/7/06, Peter Gold wrote:
> >
> > >I'm using a new (to me) Mac PowerBook. On my other PowerBook, same
> > OS X 10.3.9, same Classic 9.22, I can scroll in FM with any of my
> > scroll-wheeled mice. On this new machine, though, I can't. I can't
> > remember installing any special software for the older machine,
> > other than the MS Mouse/Mac software, and I don't see anything in
> > the System Preferences Mouse/Trackpad or MS Mouse control panels,
> > or in the applications or utilities folders.
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7.2 message when you save

[Ankur SRIVASTAVA]

Hi Debashish,

I supppose, one can turn this option off by UNCHECKING "Show warning while
clearing history" option.

Regrads
Ankur


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[mailto:framers-bounces+ankur.srivastava=st.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of DG
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:46 PM
To: Caroline Tabach
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: 7.2 message when you save


Hi,
Go to File>Preferences>General.

Select *Once for every history clearing command* option.
You cannot turn the option off but you can select this instead of *always*.

Hope that helps

Debashish


On 7/20/06, Caroline Tabach  wrote:
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>
>
>
>
>   We have just  installed
> Version 7.2 (on XP).
>
>   Adobe seem to be so happy  about the
> multiple undos that every time we
>   save a document there is a warning  saying
> "Cannot be undone. Undo
>   history will be lost. OK to  continue?"
>
>   Is there anyway that we can  turn this
> (rather irritating) message
>   off?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   Caroline  Tabach
>
>   MarCom RADCOM
>
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Not those pesky fonts...

[Steve Rickaby]

At 22:55 -0700 19/7/06, John Steiner wrote:

>Rather than remembering/not remembering missing font names, I'd just like to
>install Helvetica, Times Roman, and perhaps a couple other fonts that are
>similarly in the public domain and commonly seen on the UNIX platform.
>However, when I do an internet search on fonts, I get a huge number of
>vendors that want to sell me a package of 7,893 (or so) fonts for 69.95 (or
>so). Basically a flood of dross. Does anyone have any suggestions as to
>where I get just a few of the common fonts that don't come standard on the
>Windows platform (like helv, cour, and so forth)?

Here is a selection of on-line font foundries:



















Be aware, though, that cross-platform font work is a total minefield:

. Different flavors of the 'same' font can use different internal names for 
fonts, for example the many different versions of common fonts such as Arial 
and Garamond.

. The 'same' font from different vendors can use different internal names for 
fonts, for example Monotype Frutiger vs. Linitype Frutiger.

. Even the 'same' font from the same supplier but for different platforms can 
also use differing names.

This can result is situations in which FrameMaker gives 'missing font' messages 
no matter what you do. It's a mess.

I have read here and elsewhere that sticking to the OpenType format resolves 
some of these issues, but I've not tried this myself.

-- 
Steve

How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

[eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com]

framers-bounces+eric.dunn=ca.transport.bombardier.com at lists.frameusers.com 
wrote on 07/19/2006 05:14:23 PM:
> 7) Highlight the file testTOC.fm, right click and select Set Up table
> of Contents

> No styleas are in the left side pane.

> Why not?

Both the formats to be selected in the TOC setup and the formats actually 
selected are part of the Book component. They are not part of the TOC 
file. So naturally, until you update a book for the first time to gather 
the list of all formats, there is nothing to select. And, if you copy a 
TOC from elsewhere, there are no formats selected.

Eric L. Dunn
Senior Technical Writer

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How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

[eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com]

Have to say I'm intrigued as to what possible purpose a TOC of a TOC would 
serve.

But, the only way to automatically set-up a generated file would be to use 
FrameScript.

Or

Have a book set up with a TOC and other generated files as you want them, 
then use that "book template" to build new books.

- Copy the template book, and associated generated files templates to a 
new location.
- Open template book.
- Save book with the new desired name.
- Profit from a fully set-up book.

You could even have "placeholder" book components set up correctly. Rename 
the placeholder components in the book to match the "real" files when 
building a new book.

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> -Original Message-
> John Posada
> Subject: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of
> Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

> Hi, guys...sorry for the long subject line, but..

> OK...follow along..I have a book with 5 new files. They've had their
> styles imported from a template file or previous product file.

> When I generate a new TOC in the book, I get the Set Up Table of
> Contents dialog, and all the styles appear in the Don't Include pane
> on the right. What I'm trying to do is get the xxTOC styles to appear
> on the left pane (Include Paragraphs tagged) without having to move
> them over individualy.

> How can I do this?

> 
> John Posada
> Senior Technical Writer


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How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table ofContents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

[eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com]

"Joe Malin"  wrote on 07/19/2006 06:18:24 PM:
> My guess is that FM clears out the old
> information as a "feature"; it only allows you to add paragraph tags
> that are in your existing files, so it must first clear out everything
> that was there from before.

As I pointed out in my post to John, your guess is wrong. Nothing is 
stripped from a TOC file if it is renamed and included in a new book file. 
The TOC set-up is part of the book component properties.

When generating a file, Frame for each generated file:
1 - looks for a correctly named file.
2 - If not found, creates a new empty file based on the first 
non-generated file in the book. Will also a reference with the required 
definitions.
3 - If found, opens the file and strips out all paragraphs with formats 
with suffixes matching the generated file (*TOC, *IOM, *LOT, *LOF).
4 - Based on the list of paragraphs or elements in the book component, 
Frame then builds the generated file.

Note: Number 3 above makes for interesting observations. The new generated 
content is created in the same place as the deleted paragraphs. I'm not 
sure if it is the location of the first of the last deleted paragraph that 
determines the start point for the generated content, but you can have 
generated files with standard text at the beginning and end which frame 
will always leave alone when generating the file.

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Need Structure FrameMaker Class

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Need help finding a class to learn structured FrameMaker. Anyone know of any 
classes, especially in the Atlanta area.

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How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup TableofContents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

[Ridder, Fred]

The TOC and all other generated files are generated by the book, 
so it is perfectly logical that the setup of what paragraphs to extract 
is stored as part of the *book* file rather than the generated file 
itself. How else would you be able to do the initial generation of a 
generated file when you're not using a template file?  What gets 
stored in the TOC file is the *formatting* of the TOC entries, which 
is exactly what you'd expect to find in a TOC template. It all makes 
sense if you think about it. The content of the TOC is generated/ 
updated by the book, so the book controls how the content gets 
generated. The TOC file simply contains and formats the generated 
content.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Huntley Eshenroder
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:54 PM
To: Joe Malin; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup
TableofContents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

Joe,

We are converting a bunch of books from one template to another. We
don't
want to manually specify the paragraphs formats that are included in the
TOC
for each book by moving them around in the Set Up Table of Contents
dialog.
This information is *not* pulled in by importing styles from a template.
As
far as we've seen, Karen's method is the only one that works.

Sorta defeats the purpose of a TOC template.

-Huntley

On 7/19/06, Joe Malin  wrote:
>
> You have to move the styles manually, even if the template TOC file
had
> styles set up from before. My guess is that FM clears out the old
> information as a "feature"; it only allows you to add paragraph tags
> that are in your existing files, so it must first clear out everything
> that was there from before.
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Need Structure FrameMaker Class

[karyn hunt]

Ditto for the San Francisco area. Does anybody know any classes coming up 
around the San Francisco Bay Area? I really need to learn this stuff.

Karyn



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Subject: Need Structure FrameMaker Class
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:22:57 -0400
>Need help finding a class to learn structured FrameMaker. Anyone know of 
>any classes, especially in the Atlanta area.
>
>Thanks, Nancy
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Need Structure FrameMaker Class

[Denise L. Moss-Fritch]

Morning Karyn,

See the following link - http://www.microtype.com/trainingstruct.html

Best,

 Denise L. Moss-Fritch




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Subject: RE: Need Structure FrameMaker Class

Ditto for the San Francisco area. Does anybody know any classes coming up
around the San Francisco Bay Area? I really need to learn this stuff.

Karyn



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Subject: Need Structure FrameMaker Class
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:22:57 -0400
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Increasing Number of Files Listed in File Menu

[Steven Mays]

Hello

FM 6.0, Windows

Is there a way to increase the number of files that are listed in the file
menu?

I know that the names of these files are stored in the Maker.ini file
(RecentlyVisitedFiles). I tried entering a bank 5= and 6= in this section of
the .ini file, but this did not work.

Any ideas?

Thanks


Steven Mays
Technical Writer
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How do I get TOC styles to appear in Setup Table of Contents"Include Paragraphs Tagged"

[John Posada]

--- eric.dunn at ca.transport.bombardier.com wrote:

> Have to say I'm intrigued as to what possible purpose a TOC of a
> TOC would serve.

Guys...guys...it was a mis-statement. Instead of saying xxTOC styles,
I should have said styles that were used to make the TOC.

The rest of the qestion stands, and in fact, my co-worker, using a
variantion on Karen's instruction, was able to do exactly what we
needed. 

Thanks, Karen :-)

I'll try to get him to writeup how he did it sometime next
week...we're both in training clases today and tomorrow, then he
heads bck to Chicago.


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is."

Not those pesky fonts...

[Combs, Richard]

John Steiner wrote: 

> Rather than remembering/not remembering missing font names, 
> I'd just like to install Helvetica, Times Roman, and perhaps 
> a couple other fonts that are similarly in the public domain 
> and commonly seen on the UNIX platform.

'Scuse me, but where did you get the notion that these fonts are "in the
public domain"? 

My Helvetica and Times Roman families of fonts came from Adobe, cost
money, and are copyrighted. I've forgotten most of what I knew about
UNIX font issues back when I worked in Interleaf on Suns, but I'm pretty
certain we bought fonts from Adobe, Linotype, etc., back then, too. 

My suggestion: Verify from which font foundry (or licensed vendor) the
fonts being used in UNIX came, and *buy* those _same_ fonts from the
_same_ source. If the UNIX system is using some bastardized fonts ("they
came free with this open-source clone of..."), get them to buy
legitimate versions from a legitimate foundry/vendor (Adobe, Linotype,
Bitstream) for both platforms. 

[Actually, you don't buy fonts -- you buy licenses to use them. A single
license may permit use on multiple computers, so look into whether your
client's licenses already permit them to provide you with the fonts.] 

Second-best option: Buy legitimate versions for your Windows system.
Then study the font-mapping portion of Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf
and the fonts section of maker.ini, and map the fonts used on the UNIX
system to your equivalents. Be aware that differences in font metrics
may cause line break and pagination changes. 

HTH!
Richard


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Polycom, Inc.
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Trying to bring up the Structure View in Frame, but only the Structure View title bar shows up, nothing else

[Gorelick, Paula]

Hi,

We're using Structured FrameMaker 7.2 plus Sourcerer 1.1. 

A co-worker is trying to edit a document and clicks the "Display the
Structure View" button. What she gets is the main Document window on
top, and below it the Structure View title bar with a close button (and
that's all). She can't select and drag the Structure view up to expand
it. 

Does anyone know why it's behaving like this? 


Paula

Trying to bring up the Structure View in Frame, but only the Structure View title bar shows up, nothing else

[Lynne A. Price]

At 11:53 AM 7/20/2006, Gorelick, Paula wrote:
>A co-worker is trying to edit a document and clicks the "Display the
>Structure View" button. What she gets is the main Document window on
>top, and below it the Structure View title bar with a close button (and
>that's all). She can't select and drag the Structure view up to expand
>it.

Paula,
   She should be able to move the window by dragging the title bar. Might 
she have inadvertently shortened the Structure View to the point where all 
that's left is the title bar? In case of difficulty, remember it is always 
possible to resize or reposition the Structure View by exiting from 
FrameMaker and then editing the Structure View information in the maker.ini 
file.
 --Lynne



Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505  cell phone: (510) 421-2284 

Trying to bring up the Structure View in Frame, but only the Structure View title bar shows up, nothing else

[Combs, Richard]

Gorelick, Paula wrote: 

> A co-worker is trying to edit a document and clicks the 
> "Display the Structure View" button. What she gets is the 
> main Document window on top, and below it the Structure View 
> title bar with a close button (and that's all). She can't 
> select and drag the Structure view up to expand it. 

(Note: I'm assuming this is Windows.) Only a close button? There should
be a window menu button on the left, and clicking it should display a
menu with Move, Size, and Close commands -- is that not there? 

Try the keyboard: 

1) Click the Structure View title bar to give it focus. 
2) Press Alt+ to open the window menu, and then press the s
key to select Size. 
3) Press the up arrow repeatedly. You should see the title bar move
upward as the window grows bigger. 
4) When you're done, press Enter. 

HTH!
Richard


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