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Anyone using Acrobat 3D 8?

[Art Campbell]

Any problems?
Particularly with it interfering with normal FM/Word document-to-pdf operation.

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deleting backup files

[B Hechter]

Hi Framers,

Before attempting this, thought I would inquire if any VB wizard out there
has a script snippet to share for deleting FM  .backup files from archival
directories.

Thanks!

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Re: deleting backup files

[Art Campbell]

Assuming Windows, because you specified VB, you may have a reason for
wanting to use a script, but you can do this from a Windows command
prompt with del *.backup.fm and the /s switch to sweep recursively
through sub-directories. If you're unsure about the command, use the
/p switch too, to force a confirmation prompt.

Another option is to use the Windows Search tool to identify all
*.backup.fm files in a directory tree, Ctrl-a to select them all, and
Ctrl-x or Del to delete them.

Art

On 7/23/07, B Hechter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Framers,

Before attempting this, thought I would inquire if any VB wizard out there
has a script snippet to share for deleting FM  .backup files from archival
directories.

Thanks!

Ben

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w: www.semitake.com



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RE: deleting backup files

[Fred Ridder]

I know it's not an answer to the question you are asking, but my
advice would be to eliminate the .backup files from the outset by
turning off the automatic backup on save option. I find this
feature to be largely useless because the .backup file it is *not*
really a backup. Rather, it is simply a renamed copy of the *last*
*saved* version of the file. If you work for an hour before saving,
for example, your backup will be an hour out of date, which
can be a big difference. Yes, I suppose it's better than nothing
if the working file gets completely destroyed, but in 8 years of
using FrameMaker that has never happened to me.

I do recommend the autosave option, on the other hand. That
feature has saved my bacon on several occasions when FrameMaker
has exited unexpectedly.

My opinions only; I don;t speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder
Intel Corp.
formerly of Parsippany, NJ



From: B Hechter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: deleting backup files
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:13:17 -0700

Hi Framers,

Before attempting this, thought I would inquire if any VB wizard out there
has a script snippet to share for deleting FM  .backup files from archival
directories.

Thanks!

Ben

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Re: [stclwrsig-l] Anyone using Acrobat 3D 8?

[Art Campbell]

Maggie,
You're talking 8 3D, or just the regular 8 Pro package?

Art

On 7/23/07, Maggie Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Actually I work as a student in the school library in the automation
department. One of my major functions here at work is putting software on
computers (ghosting) in order to make them usable for the students. However
we have been having troubles w/ using Acrobat 8, not only w/ it interfering
w/ word but also interfering w/ other applications on the computer. We
haven't figured out yet, but it looks like Acrobat just came out w/ another
royal pain in my butt. I'll try and put something up if we ever figure it
out, if we don't just throw the computers first. :)


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 Any problems?
 Particularly with it interfering with normal FM/Word document-to-pdf
operation.

 Thanks,
 Art

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RE: [stclwrsig-l] Anyone using Acrobat 3D 8?

[Flato, Gillian]

3D 8 is not out yet. I am still waiting for it. 


Gillian 



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To: Maggie Miller
Cc: Framers (E-mail); STC Lone Writers List; Free Framers List
Subject: Re: [stclwrsig-l] Anyone using Acrobat 3D 8?

Maggie,
You're talking 8 3D, or just the regular 8 Pro package?

Art

On 7/23/07, Maggie Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Actually I work as a student in the school library in the automation
 department. One of my major functions here at work is putting software
on
 computers (ghosting) in order to make them usable for the students.
However
 we have been having troubles w/ using Acrobat 8, not only w/ it
interfering
 w/ word but also interfering w/ other applications on the computer. We
 haven't figured out yet, but it looks like Acrobat just came out w/
another
 royal pain in my butt. I'll try and put something up if we ever figure
it
 out, if we don't just throw the computers first. :)


 On 7/23/07, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Any problems?
  Particularly with it interfering with normal FM/Word document-to-pdf
 operation.
 
  Thanks,
  Art
 
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Re: [stclwrsig-l] Anyone using Acrobat 3D 8?

[Art Campbell]

Version 8 is the version that's talked about and is available for eval
download from http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat3d/. And they also
seem to be taking money for it.,,

Art

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3D 8 is not out yet. I am still waiting for it.


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Re: deleting backup files

[Mike Wickham]

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From: Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: deleting backup files



I know it's not an answer to the question you are asking, but my
advice would be to eliminate the .backup files from the outset by
turning off the automatic backup on save option.
I do recommend the autosave option, on the other hand. That
feature has saved my bacon on several occasions when FrameMaker
has exited unexpectedly.


The autosave feature scares me. I work out of a home office, and we have 
roaming cats. If one walks across a keyboard, it can add or delete all kinds 
of things in a document. Autosave will happily save the fouled up version. 
If you're away from the keyboard, it's possible for autosave to run more 
than once, overwriting even the .backup.fm file. I've made it a habit to hit 
Ctrl-S regularly, instead.


Mike Wickham 



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RE: deleting backup files

[John Sgammato]

I'm with Mike. 
I find the AutoSave feature brings me more tragedy than joy. I prefer to
develop a good, solid, old-fashioned work habit than to rely on that
feature. 

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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:42 PM
To: Fred Ridder; Frame Users
Subject: Re: deleting backup files


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From: Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: deleting backup files


I know it's not an answer to the question you are asking, but my
 advice would be to eliminate the .backup files from the outset by
 turning off the automatic backup on save option.
 I do recommend the autosave option, on the other hand. That
 feature has saved my bacon on several occasions when FrameMaker
 has exited unexpectedly.

The autosave feature scares me. I work out of a home office, and we have

roaming cats. If one walks across a keyboard, it can add or delete all
kinds 
of things in a document. Autosave will happily save the fouled up
version. 
If you're away from the keyboard, it's possible for autosave to run more

than once, overwriting even the .backup.fm file. I've made it a habit to
hit 
Ctrl-S regularly, instead.

Mike Wickham 


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RE: deleting backup files

[Fred Ridder]

I wasn't recommending that anybody should *rely* on the autosave
feature.  There is no substitute for good work habits.  My point was
that the autosave option does perform a useful function, while the
automatic backup feature is misnamed and does not provide the
functionality you expect it to.

It's important to note that autosave does *not* perform the same
operation as the regular save.  There is a separate autosave file that
FrameMaker manages, separate from the file that you opened (or that
you last saved).  Otherwise, FrameMaker would wipe out the restore
point that you can get back to with the revert to saved command
with every autosave.  The invisible autosave file is automatically destroyed
after you do a regular save or when you close the document. If you
launch FrameMaker after an unexpected exit and it sees a lingering
autosave file, it alerts you to that fact and gives you the option to open
either the last saved version of the file (the last one you explicitly 
saved,

that is) or the autosaved version. If you open the autosaved version
and find garbage, you can always simply close it and open the last
saved version instead and you're no worse off than you would be if
the autosave option were disabled.  It's not foolproof, but I have
*never* known it to be destructive.  There is nothing scary about it.

Also note that the last saved version of a file is never actually
overwritten, so it can almost always be recovered. When you do a
regular save, the new saved version is written to a new file and the
last saved version is either renamed with a .backup secondary extension
(if the automatic backup on save option is enabled) or flagged to
the OS or file server as available disk space (if automatic backup is
disabled).

Fred Ridder



From: John Sgammato [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mike Wickham [EMAIL PROTECTED],Fred Ridder 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Frame Users framers@lists.FrameUsers.com

Subject: RE: deleting backup files
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:06:43 -0400

I'm with Mike.
I find the AutoSave feature brings me more tragedy than joy. I prefer to
develop a good, solid, old-fashioned work habit than to rely on that
feature.

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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:42 PM
To: Fred Ridder; Frame Users
Subject: Re: deleting backup files


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From: Fred Ridder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: deleting backup files


I know it's not an answer to the question you are asking, but my
 advice would be to eliminate the .backup files from the outset by
 turning off the automatic backup on save option.
 I do recommend the autosave option, on the other hand. That
 feature has saved my bacon on several occasions when FrameMaker
 has exited unexpectedly.

The autosave feature scares me. I work out of a home office, and we have

roaming cats. If one walks across a keyboard, it can add or delete all
kinds
of things in a document. Autosave will happily save the fouled up
version.
If you're away from the keyboard, it's possible for autosave to run more

than once, overwriting even the .backup.fm file. I've made it a habit to
hit
Ctrl-S regularly, instead.

Mike Wickham


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Re: deleting backup files

[Peter Gold]

Just to clarify - autosave saves a file with the current file name and
.auto.fm extension. It isn't the same as File  Save. If you close a
file properly, either File  Close  Yes, save changes, or No, don't
save changes, the .auto file disappears. If you perform File  Save,
the .auto file is deleted; it returns after some document activity
occurs and the interval you chose in FIle  Preferences passes. If the
OS fails, the drive fails, or the power fails, this ungraceful end of
operation keeps the .auto. When you restart and reopen the file, FM
detects the .auto file and asks if you want to use it. If you say
Yes, it's opened as filename.auto.fm, so you still have
filename.backup.fm, and filename.fm also. This gives you three files
to open under their own names, save to new names, then use File 
Utilities  Compare files to pick-and-choose the pieces you need to
reconstruct what you can.

Word's autosave feature used to be a substitute for manual save,
meaning that it overwrote your good file with whatever experimental
content mangling you or your cat had performed. However, more recent
Word releases save a separate file, similar to FM's autosave.

HTH

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FM 8 Announcement

[Art Campbell]

Shipping this month.

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200707/072307FrameMaker.html
and
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/

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 DoD 358

Anyone using Acrobat 3D 8?

[Art Campbell]

Any problems?
Particularly with it interfering with normal FM/Word document-to-pdf operation.

Thanks,
Art

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 DoD 358

deleting backup files

[B Hechter]

Hi Framers,

Before attempting this, thought I would inquire if any VB wizard out there
has a script snippet to share for deleting FM  .backup files from archival
directories.

Thanks!

Ben

-- 
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objectives.ca
Technical Performance Support Solutions
Vancouver BC
e: bhechter at objectives.ca
w: www.semitake.com

deleting backup files

[Art Campbell]

Assuming Windows, because you specified VB, you may have a reason for
wanting to use a script, but you can do this from a Windows command
prompt with del *.backup.fm and the /s switch to sweep recursively
through sub-directories. If you're unsure about the command, use the
/p switch too, to force a confirmation prompt.

Another option is to use the Windows Search tool to identify all
*.backup.fm files in a directory tree, Ctrl-a to select them all, and
Ctrl-x or Del to delete them.

Art

On 7/23/07, B Hechter  wrote:
> Hi Framers,
>
> Before attempting this, thought I would inquire if any VB wizard out there
> has a script snippet to share for deleting FM  .backup files from archival
> directories.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben
>
> --
> Ben Hechter
> objectives.ca
> Technical Performance Support Solutions
> Vancouver BC
> e: bhechter at objectives.ca
> w: www.semitake.com


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deleting backup files

[Fred Ridder]

I know it's not an answer to the question you are asking, but my
advice would be to eliminate the .backup files from the outset by
turning off the "automatic backup on save" option. I find this
feature to be largely useless because the .backup file it is *not*
really a backup. Rather, it is simply a renamed copy of the *last*
*saved* version of the file. If you work for an hour before saving,
for example, your "backup" will be an hour out of date, which
can be a big difference. Yes, I suppose it's better than nothing
if the working file gets completely destroyed, but in 8 years of
using FrameMaker that has never happened to me.

I do recommend the "autosave" option, on the other hand. That
feature has saved my bacon on several occasions when FrameMaker
has exited unexpectedly.

My opinions only; I don;t speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder
Intel Corp.
formerly of Parsippany, NJ


>From: "B Hechter" 
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: deleting backup files
>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:13:17 -0700
>
>Hi Framers,
>
>Before attempting this, thought I would inquire if any VB wizard out there
>has a script snippet to share for deleting FM  .backup files from archival
>directories.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Ben
>
>--
>Ben Hechter
>objectives.ca
>Technical Performance Support Solutions
>Vancouver BC
>e: bhechter at objectives.ca
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[stclwrsig-l] Anyone using Acrobat 3D 8?

[Art Campbell]

Maggie,
You're talking 8 3D, or just the regular 8 Pro package?

Art

On 7/23/07, Maggie Miller  wrote:
> Actually I work as a student in the school library in the automation
> department. One of my major functions here at work is putting software on
> computers (ghosting) in order to make them usable for the students. However
> we have been having troubles w/ using Acrobat 8, not only w/ it interfering
> w/ word but also interfering w/ other applications on the computer. We
> haven't figured out yet, but it looks like Acrobat just came out w/ another
> royal pain in my butt. I'll try and put something up if we ever figure it
> out, if we don't just throw the computers first. :)
>
>
> On 7/23/07, Art Campbell  wrote:
> >
> > Any problems?
> > Particularly with it interfering with normal FM/Word document-to-pdf
> operation.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Art
> >
> > --
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> art.campbell at gmail.com
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> >   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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[stclwrsig-l] Anyone using Acrobat 3D 8?

[Flato, Gillian]

3D 8 is not out yet. I am still waiting for it. 


Gillian 



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[mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Art Campbell
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:17 PM
To: Maggie Miller
Cc: Framers (E-mail); STC Lone Writers List; Free Framers List
Subject: Re: [stclwrsig-l] Anyone using Acrobat 3D 8?

Maggie,
You're talking 8 3D, or just the regular 8 Pro package?

Art

On 7/23/07, Maggie Miller  wrote:
> Actually I work as a student in the school library in the automation
> department. One of my major functions here at work is putting software
on
> computers (ghosting) in order to make them usable for the students.
However
> we have been having troubles w/ using Acrobat 8, not only w/ it
interfering
> w/ word but also interfering w/ other applications on the computer. We
> haven't figured out yet, but it looks like Acrobat just came out w/
another
> royal pain in my butt. I'll try and put something up if we ever figure
it
> out, if we don't just throw the computers first. :)
>
>
> On 7/23/07, Art Campbell  wrote:
> >
> > Any problems?
> > Particularly with it interfering with normal FM/Word document-to-pdf
> operation.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Art
> >
> > --
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> art.campbell at gmail.com
> > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent
> >   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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[stclwrsig-l] Anyone using Acrobat 3D 8?

[Art Campbell]

Version 8 is the version that's talked about and is available for eval
download from http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat3d/. And they also
seem to be taking money for it.,,

Art

On 7/23/07, Flato, Gillian  wrote:
> 3D 8 is not out yet. I am still waiting for it.
>
>
> Gillian
>
>
>
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deleting backup files

[Mike Wickham]

- Original Message - 
From: "Fred Ridder" 
To: ; 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: deleting backup files


>I know it's not an answer to the question you are asking, but my
> advice would be to eliminate the .backup files from the outset by
> turning off the "automatic backup on save" option.
> I do recommend the "autosave" option, on the other hand. That
> feature has saved my bacon on several occasions when FrameMaker
> has exited unexpectedly.

The autosave feature scares me. I work out of a home office, and we have 
roaming cats. If one walks across a keyboard, it can add or delete all kinds 
of things in a document. Autosave will happily save the fouled up version. 
If you're away from the keyboard, it's possible for autosave to run more 
than once, overwriting even the .backup.fm file. I've made it a habit to hit 
Ctrl-S regularly, instead.

Mike Wickham 

deleting backup files

[John Sgammato]

I'm with Mike. 
I find the AutoSave feature brings me more tragedy than joy. I prefer to
develop a good, solid, old-fashioned work habit than to rely on that
feature. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:42 PM
To: Fred Ridder; Frame Users
Subject: Re: deleting backup files


- Original Message -
From: "Fred Ridder" 
To: ; 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: deleting backup files


>I know it's not an answer to the question you are asking, but my
> advice would be to eliminate the .backup files from the outset by
> turning off the "automatic backup on save" option.
> I do recommend the "autosave" option, on the other hand. That
> feature has saved my bacon on several occasions when FrameMaker
> has exited unexpectedly.

The autosave feature scares me. I work out of a home office, and we have

roaming cats. If one walks across a keyboard, it can add or delete all
kinds 
of things in a document. Autosave will happily save the fouled up
version. 
If you're away from the keyboard, it's possible for autosave to run more

than once, overwriting even the .backup.fm file. I've made it a habit to
hit 
Ctrl-S regularly, instead.

Mike Wickham 


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deleting backup files

[Fred Ridder]

I wasn't recommending that anybody should *rely* on the autosave
feature.  There is no substitute for good work habits.  My point was
that the autosave option does perform a useful function, while the
automatic backup feature is misnamed and does not provide the
functionality you expect it to.

It's important to note that autosave does *not* perform the same
operation as the regular save.  There is a separate autosave file that
FrameMaker manages, separate from the file that you opened (or that
you last saved).  Otherwise, FrameMaker would wipe out the restore
point that you can get back to with the "revert to saved" command
with every autosave.  The invisible autosave file is automatically destroyed
after you do a regular save or when you close the document. If you
launch FrameMaker after an "unexpected exit" and it sees a lingering
autosave file, it alerts you to that fact and gives you the option to open
either the last saved version of the file (the last one you explicitly 
saved,
that is) or the autosaved version. If you open the autosaved version
and find garbage, you can always simply close it and open the last
saved version instead and you're no worse off than you would be if
the autosave option were disabled.  It's not foolproof, but I have
*never* known it to be destructive.  There is nothing "scary" about it.

Also note that the last saved version of a file is never actually
overwritten, so it can almost always be recovered. When you do a
regular save, the new saved version is written to a new file and the
last saved version is either renamed with a .backup secondary extension
(if the automatic backup on save option is enabled) or flagged to
the OS or file server as available disk space (if automatic backup is
disabled).

Fred Ridder


>From: "John Sgammato" 
>To: "Mike Wickham" ,"Fred Ridder" 
>,"Frame Users" 
>Subject: RE: deleting backup files
>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:06:43 -0400
>
>I'm with Mike.
>I find the AutoSave feature brings me more tragedy than joy. I prefer to
>develop a good, solid, old-fashioned work habit than to rely on that
>feature.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com
>[mailto:framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
>Behalf Of Mike Wickham
>Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:42 PM
>To: Fred Ridder; Frame Users
>Subject: Re: deleting backup files
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "Fred Ridder" 
>To: ; 
>Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 2:46 PM
>Subject: RE: deleting backup files
>
>
> >I know it's not an answer to the question you are asking, but my
> > advice would be to eliminate the .backup files from the outset by
> > turning off the "automatic backup on save" option.
> > I do recommend the "autosave" option, on the other hand. That
> > feature has saved my bacon on several occasions when FrameMaker
> > has exited unexpectedly.
>
>The autosave feature scares me. I work out of a home office, and we have
>
>roaming cats. If one walks across a keyboard, it can add or delete all
>kinds
>of things in a document. Autosave will happily save the fouled up
>version.
>If you're away from the keyboard, it's possible for autosave to run more
>
>than once, overwriting even the .backup.fm file. I've made it a habit to
>hit
>Ctrl-S regularly, instead.
>
>Mike Wickham

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deleting backup files

[Peter Gold]

Just to clarify - autosave saves a file with the current file name and
.auto.fm extension. It isn't the same as File > Save. If you close a
file properly, either File > Close > Yes, save changes, or No, don't
save changes, the .auto file disappears. If you perform File > Save,
the .auto file is deleted; it returns after some document activity
occurs and the interval you chose in FIle > Preferences passes. If the
OS fails, the drive fails, or the power fails, this ungraceful end of
operation keeps the .auto. When you restart and reopen the file, FM
detects the .auto file and asks if you want to use it. If you say
"Yes," it's opened as filename.auto.fm, so you still have
filename.backup.fm, and filename.fm also. This gives you three files
to open under their own names, save to new names, then use File >
Utilities > Compare files to pick-and-choose the pieces you need to
reconstruct what you can.

Word's autosave feature used to be a substitute for manual save,
meaning that it overwrote your good file with whatever experimental
content mangling you or your cat had performed. However, more recent
Word releases save a separate file, similar to FM's autosave.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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