SV: Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing printers, etc.

[Jacob Schäffer]

Dov said:

Per Art's response, no, moving to the Adobe Acrobat (Adobe PDF) printer 
default won't solve the problem since Times is not a native font of the 
Distiller.

I believe that anyone old enough (like me) to own a license to Distiller 3 
actually have the Base 13 font files in Type 1 format handy (4 x Times, 4 x 
Helvetica, 4 x Courier and Symbol).

I'm unsure about licensing, though, especially if you upgraded from Acrobat 3. 
In case of *upgrade* the newer license agreement may supersede the older 
version license, and since the base 13 fonts was removed from 4 (or 5, I'm 
unsure which version, actually) your current license agreement may not cover 
use of the old version fonts.

Dov, what is correct here ???

Best regards
Jacob Schäffer
Grafikhuset
Denmark


 -Oprindelig meddelelse-
 Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Dov Isaacs
 Sendt: 10. september 2008 21:19
 Til: Art Campbell; Inbar, Paul
 Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Emne: RE: Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing 
 printers, etc.
 
 
 The original problem reported by Paul stems from the Windows 
 phantom phont phenomena! Windows font enumeration, used by 
 standard Windows applications (such as FrameMaker), allows 
 printer drivers to insert font information to be passed back 
 to the application even if such fonts are not actually 
 installed on the system. PostScript printer drivers (and 
 specifically, the standard PSCRIPT5 driver of Windows 2000, 
 XP, and Vista) enumerates all fonts found in the PPD file - 
 for Adobe PostScript 3 devices, this could be up to 136 
 fonts! PCL drivers often enumerate fonts built into the printer.
 
 If you actually try to use a phantom phont in your document 
 and the font is indeed printer-resident for the printer you 
 have set as the current print device, Windows will substitute 
 something on the screen and your output will use the printer 
 version of that font.
 
 The workaround that I have advocated for over seven years 
 (first documented as part of a workaround for the infamous 
 Zapf Dingbats problem - see
 http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.ef4dc7a) is to edit all 
 PostScript printer PPD files, either prior to doing a 
 PostScript printer driver instance installation or afterwards 
 (both are tricky) to eliminate ALL font references except one 
 - you must keep the line that defines Courier. Once such an 
 edit is made, the driver no longer enumerates 
 printer-resident, i.e., phantom, fonts to application programs.
 
 Note that applications that bypass the OS font enumeration 
 (such as Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign, and Acrobat) 
 aren't phooled by the phantom phont phenomena!
 
 Per Art's response, no, moving to the Adobe Acrobat (Adobe 
 PDF) printer default won't solve the problem since Times is 
 not a native font of the Distiller.
 
 If you really want/need Times, you have the following options:
 
 (1) Change all occurrences of Times in your documents 
 and templates
 to Times New Roman remembering that Times New Roman is in 
 fact a different font than Times although Microsoft (via 
 Monotype) endeavored to keep the set widths of the 
 characters in Times New Roman the same as those of Times to 
 minimize the chance of line ending differences.
 
 (2) If you have a Xerox printer that uses Adobe 
 PostScript, it came with
 a CD or DVD with host-based versions of the printer resident 
 fonts. You can install the fonts you need from that CD onto 
 your computer.
 
 (3) You can license either the Type 1 version of Times 
 from Adobe or
 with changes to your document for the font name, the OpenType 
 version, Times LT Std and install that font on your system.
 
 - Dov
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Art Campbell
  Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:11 AM
 
  The Xerox drive is probably PostScript compliant, the H-P, 
 from your 
  description, is probably not. So far as I know. PS is still 
 and extra 
  item on most H-P systems, which means that they use HPGL as the 
  default page description language.
 
  Depending on your final output, many shops and users find that the 
  best setup is to standardize on the Adobe Acrobat PDF 
 logical printer 
  as the system (of Frame -- there's a plug in that lets it be set to 
  default only within FM) default printer. Moving to the 
 Adobe Acrobat 
  default is likely to solve your font problem too, because 
 it is likely 
  to use the same fonts as the Xeros does.
 
  Art
 
  On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Inbar, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   Hi all,
  
   Let me apologize for asking another font question. I have been 
   looking at previous posts and articles on the web, but am 
 still not 
   sure I understand the issues and consequences.
  
   Basically, our frame templates use a font called Times for our 
   regular Body paragraph tag.
  
   On our Xerox network printers, everything seems to be 
 fine. However, 
   they are going to be taken 

Re: Drop-Down Menu Using FrameScript: Is it possible

[Ankur Srivastava]

Hi,

If we run the DropDownDemo.fsl script, the drop-down option comes as a popup
window.
Is this always the case or we cam embed this drop down demo in the FM
document ??
Secondly, how to insert the selected text in drop down window, to the FM
file. ??

regards
Ankur

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Hi Amita,

 Yes, FrameScript has all of these things.

 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing Inc
 585-659-8267
 www.frameexpert.com


  Hello Framers,
 
  I am working on an application where I need drop down lists for a table
 or
  text.
 
  Is it possible through using FrameScript.
 
  Does any one know whether FrameScript can provide controls such as check
  boxes, combo boxes and drop down menus.
 
  You can also reply off-list at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
  Thanks,
 
  Amita Goyal
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Re: SV: Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing printers, etc.

[Jim Owens]

The Times font also came with Xerox Ventura Publisher.

Jacob Schäffer wrote:
 Dov said:
 
 Per Art's response, no, moving to the Adobe Acrobat (Adobe PDF) printer 
 default won't solve the problem since Times is not a native font of the 
 Distiller.
 
 I believe that anyone old enough (like me) to own a license to Distiller 3 
 actually have the Base 13 font files in Type 1 format handy (4 x Times, 4 x 
 Helvetica, 4 x Courier and Symbol).
 


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RE: Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing printers, etc.

[Dov Isaacs]

The last version of Acrobat to have the 13 base fonts was Acrobat 3;
They were not shipped with any newer version of Acrobat.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Jacob Schäffer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:33 PM

 Dov said:

 Per Art's response, no, moving to the Adobe Acrobat (Adobe PDF) printer 
 default won't solve the
 problem since Times is not a native font of the Distiller.

 I believe that anyone old enough (like me) to own a license to Distiller 3 
 actually have the Base 13
 font files in Type 1 format handy (4 x Times, 4 x Helvetica, 4 x Courier and 
 Symbol).

 I'm unsure about licensing, though, especially if you upgraded from Acrobat 
 3. In case of *upgrade*
 the newer license agreement may supersede the older version license, and 
 since the base 13 fonts was
 removed from 4 (or 5, I'm unsure which version, actually) your current 
 license agreement may not cover
 use of the old version fonts.

 Dov, what is correct here ???

 Best regards
 Jacob Schäffer
 Grafikhuset
 Denmark


  -Oprindelig meddelelse-
  Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af Dov Isaacs
  Sendt: 10. september 2008 21:19
  Til: Art Campbell; Inbar, Paul
  Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Emne: RE: Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing
  printers, etc.
 
 
  The original problem reported by Paul stems from the Windows
  phantom phont phenomena! Windows font enumeration, used by
  standard Windows applications (such as FrameMaker), allows
  printer drivers to insert font information to be passed back
  to the application even if such fonts are not actually
  installed on the system. PostScript printer drivers (and
  specifically, the standard PSCRIPT5 driver of Windows 2000,
  XP, and Vista) enumerates all fonts found in the PPD file -
  for Adobe PostScript 3 devices, this could be up to 136
  fonts! PCL drivers often enumerate fonts built into the printer.
 
  If you actually try to use a phantom phont in your document
  and the font is indeed printer-resident for the printer you
  have set as the current print device, Windows will substitute
  something on the screen and your output will use the printer
  version of that font.
 
  The workaround that I have advocated for over seven years
  (first documented as part of a workaround for the infamous
  Zapf Dingbats problem - see
  http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.ef4dc7a) is to edit all
  PostScript printer PPD files, either prior to doing a
  PostScript printer driver instance installation or afterwards
  (both are tricky) to eliminate ALL font references except one
  - you must keep the line that defines Courier. Once such an
  edit is made, the driver no longer enumerates
  printer-resident, i.e., phantom, fonts to application programs.
 
  Note that applications that bypass the OS font enumeration
  (such as Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign, and Acrobat)
  aren't phooled by the phantom phont phenomena!
 
  Per Art's response, no, moving to the Adobe Acrobat (Adobe
  PDF) printer default won't solve the problem since Times is
  not a native font of the Distiller.
 
  If you really want/need Times, you have the following options:
 
  (1) Change all occurrences of Times in your documents
  and templates
  to Times New Roman remembering that Times New Roman is in
  fact a different font than Times although Microsoft (via
  Monotype) endeavored to keep the set widths of the
  characters in Times New Roman the same as those of Times to
  minimize the chance of line ending differences.
 
  (2) If you have a Xerox printer that uses Adobe
  PostScript, it came with
  a CD or DVD with host-based versions of the printer resident
  fonts. You can install the fonts you need from that CD onto
  your computer.
 
  (3) You can license either the Type 1 version of Times
  from Adobe or
  with changes to your document for the font name, the OpenType
  version, Times LT Std and install that font on your system.
 
  - Dov
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InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

[mulholland4]

Hi everyone,
 Has anyone replaced Framemaker with InDesign? Is this possible? What are
the pro's and cons? Does anyone know of an in depth study of this topic.
 Any useful comments would be much appreciated.
 Thanks
Mulholland
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Hypertext command

[Stephen O'Brien]

I place the hypertext command below in a FM 8 
document to open a PDF file on clicking the link. 
It works unless the file name has an apostrophe 
(happens often as the file names are in French), like below:

Type: Message Client

Command: message openfile \\civette/4654 Project d'IMSurvey.pdf

Does anyone know how to solve this problem?

For now I remane the PDF file and replace the 
apostrophe by undescore, but it's manual and not 
practical. Would prefer getting the hypertext command to work...

Thanks for your ideas.

Stephen O'Brien
Rédacteur technique / Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6

Tel.: (418) 688-2061
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RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

[Dov Isaacs]

To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker, InDesign
was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a replacement for FrameMaker.

Yes, over time a number of FrameMaker features have been incorporated into
InDesign, but unless you are using none of FrameMaker's structured features
(support for XML and DITA), and conditional text, equations, etc., InDesign
won't satisfy your needs.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: mulholland4
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:17 AM

 Hi everyone,
  Has anyone replaced Framemaker with InDesign? Is this possible? What are
 the pro's and cons? Does anyone know of an in depth study of this topic.
  Any useful comments would be much appreciated.
  Thanks
 Mulholland
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Re: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Dov:

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker, InDesign
 was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a replacement for FrameMaker.

 Yes, over time a number of FrameMaker features have been incorporated into
 InDesign, but unless you are using none of FrameMaker's structured features
 (support for XML and DITA), and conditional text, equations, etc., InDesign
 won't satisfy your needs.

InDesign's XML abilities are used in database publishing and other
automated workflows. It also works with DTDs. Can you comment the pros
and cons of FM's XML support vs. ID's XML support?

Regards,

Peter
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RE: InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

[Dov Isaacs]

The only comment I will make is that the support is very different and
that you cannot simply replace FrameMaker with InDesign if you are using
FrameMaker's structured tools.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Peter Gold
 Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:17 PM

 Hi, Dov:

 On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker, InDesign
  was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a replacement for FrameMaker.
 
  Yes, over time a number of FrameMaker features have been incorporated into
  InDesign, but unless you are using none of FrameMaker's structured features
  (support for XML and DITA), and conditional text, equations, etc., InDesign
  won't satisfy your needs.

 InDesign's XML abilities are used in database publishing and other
 automated workflows. It also works with DTDs. Can you comment the pros
 and cons of FM's XML support vs. ID's XML support?

 Regards,

 Peter
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reply to copy/paste Greek... ?

[Milan Davidovic]

I found this post:

http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2008-February/010852.html

but can find no reply. I've got a similar situation; any ideas of what to try?

Thanks in advance...

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Vertical line between columns of text

[Alan Litchfield]

Hi all,

Not sure if this can be done, but is it possible for FM to create a  
vertical line between columns of text?

Cheers
Alan
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AlphaByte
PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140
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Reference graphic to Character format

[Robert Rogge]

Hi Guys,

I am on Unstructured Frame 8, and I have a question.

Is there any kind of plugin (or some other solution I don?t know about) that
would allow me to map a graphic from a reference page to a character
format

What I would like to do is be able to select some text, apply the character
format, and have a small inline graphic show up there.

Thanks!

Robert

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93-423-1784

SV: Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing printers, etc.

[Jacob Schäffer]

Dov said:



I believe that anyone old enough (like me) to own a license to Distiller 3 
actually have the Base 13 font files in Type 1 format handy (4 x Times, 4 x 
Helvetica, 4 x Courier and Symbol).

I'm unsure about licensing, though, especially if you upgraded from Acrobat 3. 
In case of *upgrade* the newer license agreement may supersede the older 
version license, and since the base 13 fonts was removed from 4 (or 5, I'm 
unsure which version, actually) your current license agreement may not cover 
use of the old version fonts.

Dov, what is correct here ???

Best regards
Jacob Sch?ffer
Grafikhuset
Denmark


> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] P? vegne af Dov Isaacs
> Sendt: 10. september 2008 21:19
> Til: Art Campbell; Inbar, Paul
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Emne: RE: Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing 
> printers, etc.
> 
> 
> The original problem reported by Paul stems from the Windows 
> "phantom phont phenomena!" Windows font enumeration, used by 
> standard Windows applications (such as FrameMaker), allows 
> printer drivers to insert font information to be passed back 
> to the application even if such fonts are not actually 
> installed on the system. PostScript printer drivers (and 
> specifically, the standard PSCRIPT5 driver of Windows 2000, 
> XP, and Vista) enumerates all fonts found in the PPD file - 
> for Adobe PostScript 3 devices, this could be up to 136 
> fonts! PCL drivers often enumerate fonts built into the printer.
> 
> If you actually try to use a phantom phont in your document 
> and the font is indeed printer-resident for the printer you 
> have set as the current print device, Windows will substitute 
> something on the screen and your output will use the printer 
> version of that font.
> 
> The workaround that I have advocated for over seven years 
> (first documented as part of a workaround for the infamous 
> Zapf Dingbats problem - see
> ) is to edit all 
> PostScript printer PPD files, either prior to doing a 
> PostScript printer driver instance installation or afterwards 
> (both are tricky) to eliminate ALL font references except one 
> - you must keep the line that defines Courier. Once such an 
> edit is made, the driver no longer enumerates 
> printer-resident, i.e., phantom, fonts to application programs.
> 
> Note that applications that bypass the OS font enumeration 
> (such as Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign, and Acrobat) 
> aren't phooled by the phantom phont phenomena!
> 
> Per Art's response, no, moving to the Adobe Acrobat (Adobe 
> PDF) printer default won't solve the problem since Times is 
> not a native font of the Distiller.
> 
> If you really want/need Times, you have the following options:
> 
> (1) Change all occurrences of "Times" in your documents 
> and templates
> to "Times New Roman" remembering that "Times New Roman" is in 
> fact a different font than "Times" although Microsoft (via 
> Monotype) endeavored to keep the "set widths" of the 
> characters in Times New Roman the same as those of Times to 
> minimize the chance of line ending differences.
> 
> (2) If you have a Xerox printer that uses Adobe 
> PostScript, it came with
> a CD or DVD with host-based versions of the printer resident 
> fonts. You can install the fonts you need from that CD onto 
> your computer.
> 
> (3) You can license either the Type 1 version of Times 
> from Adobe or
> with changes to your document for the font name, the OpenType 
> version, Times LT Std and install that font on your system.
> 
> - Dov
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Art Campbell
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:11 AM
> >
> > The Xerox drive is probably PostScript compliant, the H-P, 
> from your 
> > description, is probably not. So far as I know. PS is still 
> and extra 
> > item on most H-P systems, which means that they use HPGL as the 
> > default page description language.
> >
> > Depending on your final output, many shops and users find that the 
> > best setup is to standardize on the Adobe Acrobat PDF 
> logical printer 
> > as the system (of Frame -- there's a plug in that lets it be set to 
> > default only within FM) default printer. Moving to the 
> Adobe Acrobat 
> > default is likely to solve your font problem too, because 
> it is likely 
> > to use the same fonts as the Xeros does.
> >
> > Art
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Inbar, Paul  
> > wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Let me apologize for asking another font question. I have been 
> > > looking at previous posts and articles on the web, but am 
> still not 
> > > sure I understand the issues and consequences.
> > >
> > > Basically, our frame templates use a font called Times for our 
> > > regular Body paragraph tag.
> > >
> > > On our Xerox network printers, everything seems to be 
> fine. 

Drop-Down Menu Using FrameScript: Is it possible

[Ankur Srivastava]

Hi,

If we run the DropDownDemo.fsl script, the drop-down option comes as a popup
window.
Is this always the case or we cam embed this drop down demo in the FM
document ??
Secondly, how to insert the selected text in drop down window, to the FM
file. ??

regards
Ankur

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

> Hi Amita,
>
> Yes, FrameScript has all of these things.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
> > Hello Framers,
> >
> > I am working on an application where I need drop down lists for a table
> or
> > text.
> >
> > Is it possible through using FrameScript.
> >
> > Does any one know whether FrameScript can provide controls such as check
> > boxes, combo boxes and drop down menus.
> >
> > You can also reply off-list at agoyal2006 at gmail.com.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Amita Goyal
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SV: Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing printers, etc.

[Jim Owens]

The Times font also came with Xerox Ventura Publisher.

Jacob Sch?ffer wrote:
> Dov said:
> 
>  default won't solve the problem since Times is not a native font of the 
> Distiller.>
> 
> I believe that anyone old enough (like me) to own a license to Distiller 3 
> actually have the Base 13 font files in Type 1 format handy (4 x Times, 4 x 
> Helvetica, 4 x Courier and Symbol).
> 

Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing printers, etc.

[Dov Isaacs]

The last version of Acrobat to have the "13 base fonts" was Acrobat 3;
They were not shipped with any newer version of Acrobat.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Sch?ffer [mailto:js at grafikhuset.dk]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:33 PM
>
> Dov said:
>
>  default won't solve the
> problem since Times is not a native font of the Distiller.>
>
> I believe that anyone old enough (like me) to own a license to Distiller 3 
> actually have the Base 13
> font files in Type 1 format handy (4 x Times, 4 x Helvetica, 4 x Courier and 
> Symbol).
>
> I'm unsure about licensing, though, especially if you upgraded from Acrobat 
> 3. In case of *upgrade*
> the newer license agreement may supersede the older version license, and 
> since the base 13 fonts was
> removed from 4 (or 5, I'm unsure which version, actually) your current 
> license agreement may not cover
> use of the old version fonts.
>
> Dov, what is correct here ???
>
> Best regards
> Jacob Sch?ffer
> Grafikhuset
> Denmark
>
>
> > -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> > Fra: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] P? vegne af Dov Isaacs
> > Sendt: 10. september 2008 21:19
> > Til: Art Campbell; Inbar, Paul
> > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Emne: RE: Times, Times Roman, Times New Roman, and changing
> > printers, etc.
> >
> >
> > The original problem reported by Paul stems from the Windows
> > "phantom phont phenomena!" Windows font enumeration, used by
> > standard Windows applications (such as FrameMaker), allows
> > printer drivers to insert font information to be passed back
> > to the application even if such fonts are not actually
> > installed on the system. PostScript printer drivers (and
> > specifically, the standard PSCRIPT5 driver of Windows 2000,
> > XP, and Vista) enumerates all fonts found in the PPD file -
> > for Adobe PostScript 3 devices, this could be up to 136
> > fonts! PCL drivers often enumerate fonts built into the printer.
> >
> > If you actually try to use a phantom phont in your document
> > and the font is indeed printer-resident for the printer you
> > have set as the current print device, Windows will substitute
> > something on the screen and your output will use the printer
> > version of that font.
> >
> > The workaround that I have advocated for over seven years
> > (first documented as part of a workaround for the infamous
> > Zapf Dingbats problem - see
> > ) is to edit all
> > PostScript printer PPD files, either prior to doing a
> > PostScript printer driver instance installation or afterwards
> > (both are tricky) to eliminate ALL font references except one
> > - you must keep the line that defines Courier. Once such an
> > edit is made, the driver no longer enumerates
> > printer-resident, i.e., phantom, fonts to application programs.
> >
> > Note that applications that bypass the OS font enumeration
> > (such as Illustrator, Photoshop, InDesign, and Acrobat)
> > aren't phooled by the phantom phont phenomena!
> >
> > Per Art's response, no, moving to the Adobe Acrobat (Adobe
> > PDF) printer default won't solve the problem since Times is
> > not a native font of the Distiller.
> >
> > If you really want/need Times, you have the following options:
> >
> > (1) Change all occurrences of "Times" in your documents
> > and templates
> > to "Times New Roman" remembering that "Times New Roman" is in
> > fact a different font than "Times" although Microsoft (via
> > Monotype) endeavored to keep the "set widths" of the
> > characters in Times New Roman the same as those of Times to
> > minimize the chance of line ending differences.
> >
> > (2) If you have a Xerox printer that uses Adobe
> > PostScript, it came with
> > a CD or DVD with host-based versions of the printer resident
> > fonts. You can install the fonts you need from that CD onto
> > your computer.
> >
> > (3) You can license either the Type 1 version of Times
> > from Adobe or
> > with changes to your document for the font name, the OpenType
> > version, Times LT Std and install that font on your system.
> >
> > - Dov

What is the purpose of round-tripping Structured Framemaker and XML

[Mike Feimster]

I'm sure there are other reasons, but a some that come to mind are using
are:

1. Editing/processing the files with different XML editor.
2. Processing the text with XSL or another programming language.
3. Storing the files in content management system or source control
system. Although you can store FrameMaker binaries in most source
control systems, XML files are text files, so you perform diffs and
merges on them.

Mike

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Subject: What is the purpose of round-tripping Structured Framemaker and
XML

Hello Framers

I'm trying to figure out why I would need to round-trip between
Structured Framemaker sources and XML. I thought it would be for
translation purposes but one of my translators tells me that Trados (Tag
editor) allows editing
(translating) structured FM sources as well as XML.

Regards

Celine
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What is the purpose of round-tripping Structured Framemaker and XML

[feimin_lore...@amis.com]

Hi Celine:

I round-trip to XML and I don't translate. I do it for a few reasons:
Some of my SMEs don't like to work in a WYSIWYG environment, so I convert 
the chapters to XML and they can use their favourite editor. That also 
meant I didn't have to buy them a FrameMaker license.
Some of our documentation is in the source code. We have scripts that pull 
out the information and tag it with XML and I can import that directly 
into FrameMaker. It's been a wonderful way to keep some of the 
documentation updated.
Some activities are easier to do on text than in FrameMaker. I think the 
last time I did that, I had to remove an element or an attribute that I'd 
made obsolete. I supposed I could have used MIF, but XML is cleaner. 
Anyway, this is a fringe case...I don't do this very often.

If none of these reasons apply to you, you certainly don't have to worry 
about round-tripping. I have some constraints on what I do in the FM 
documents because I have to make sure they will round-trip, so if would be 
easier to not have to worry about those things.

Fei Min Lorente




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Hello Framers

I'm trying to figure out why I would need to round-trip between Structured
Framemaker sources and XML. I thought it would be for translation purposes
but one of my translators tells me that Trados (Tag editor) allows editing
(translating) structured FM sources as well as XML.

Regards

Celine
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What is the purpose of round-tripping Structured Framemaker and XML

[Scott Prentice]

Basically .. if your publishing process uses the XML files at some 
point, you're better off editing the XML files directly (round-tripping 
the XML) rather than editing the binary files and saving to XML 
occasionally. A binary FM file can contain content that may not be 
allowed in the XML data model, and round-tripping to XML will ensure 
that the files are always valid and "clean". This typically falls into 
the area of graphics and graphic properties as well as overstyling that 
can creep in. These things won't be caught by the structure validation 
(since they aren't part of the structure), and will typically get 
stripped out on save to XML.

Mike's points are also quite valid reasons to round-trip to XML.

If your publishing process does nit make use of XML at all, then there's 
probably no reason to save or round-trip to XML and it's OK to keep the 
files as FM binaries.

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Mike Feimster wrote:
> I'm sure there are other reasons, but a some that come to mind are using
> are:
>
> 1. Editing/processing the files with different XML editor.
> 2. Processing the text with XSL or another programming language.
> 3. Storing the files in content management system or source control
> system. Although you can store FrameMaker binaries in most source
> control systems, XML files are text files, so you perform diffs and
> merges on them.
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Celine
> Deguire
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:14 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: What is the purpose of round-tripping Structured Framemaker and
> XML
>
> Hello Framers
>
> I'm trying to figure out why I would need to round-trip between
> Structured Framemaker sources and XML. I thought it would be for
> translation purposes but one of my translators tells me that Trados (Tag
> editor) allows editing
> (translating) structured FM sources as well as XML.
>
> Regards
>
> Celine
>
>   

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

[mulholland4]

Hi everyone,
 Has anyone replaced Framemaker with InDesign? Is this possible? What are
the pro's and cons? Does anyone know of an in depth study of this topic.
 Any useful comments would be much appreciated.
 Thanks
Mulholland

Hypertext command

[Stephen O'Brien]

I place the hypertext command below in a FM 8 
document to open a PDF file on clicking the link. 
It works unless the file name has an apostrophe 
(happens often as the file names are in French), like below:

Type: Message Client

Command: message openfile \\civette/4654 Project d'IMSurvey.pdf

Does anyone know how to solve this problem?

For now I remane the PDF file and replace the 
apostrophe by undescore, but it's manual and not 
practical. Would prefer getting the hypertext command to work...

Thanks for your ideas.

Stephen O'Brien
R?dacteur technique / Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Qu?bec (Qu?bec) Canada G1N 4N6

Tel.: (418) 688-2061
Fax: (418) 688-3001
E-mail: sobrien at innovmetric.com
www.innovmetric.com
PolyWorks, the Universal 3D Metrology Software Platform for Manufacturing (TM)

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

[Dov Isaacs]

To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker, InDesign
was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a "replacement for FrameMaker."

Yes, over time a number of FrameMaker features have been incorporated into
InDesign, but unless you are using none of FrameMaker's structured features
(support for XML and DITA), and conditional text, equations, etc., InDesign
won't satisfy your needs.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: mulholland4
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:17 AM
>
> Hi everyone,
>  Has anyone replaced Framemaker with InDesign? Is this possible? What are
> the pro's and cons? Does anyone know of an in depth study of this topic.
>  Any useful comments would be much appreciated.
>  Thanks
> Mulholland

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Dov:

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker, InDesign
> was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a "replacement for FrameMaker."
>
> Yes, over time a number of FrameMaker features have been incorporated into
> InDesign, but unless you are using none of FrameMaker's structured features
> (support for XML and DITA), and conditional text, equations, etc., InDesign
> won't satisfy your needs.

InDesign's XML abilities are used in database publishing and other
automated workflows. It also works with DTDs. Can you comment the pros
and cons of FM's XML support vs. ID's XML support?

Regards,

Peter
__
Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

[Dov Isaacs]

The only comment I will make is that the support is very different and
that you cannot simply replace FrameMaker with InDesign if you are using
FrameMaker's structured tools.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Peter Gold
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:17 PM
>
> Hi, Dov:
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> > To be very clear, although designed as a replacement for PageMaker, InDesign
> > was certainly not designed by Adobe to be a "replacement for FrameMaker."
> >
> > Yes, over time a number of FrameMaker features have been incorporated into
> > InDesign, but unless you are using none of FrameMaker's structured features
> > (support for XML and DITA), and conditional text, equations, etc., InDesign
> > won't satisfy your needs.
>
> InDesign's XML abilities are used in database publishing and other
> automated workflows. It also works with DTDs. Can you comment the pros
> and cons of FM's XML support vs. ID's XML support?
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

[Art Campbell]

Adobe actually presents the case for deciding pretty well.

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/comparison.html

Art

Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358



On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:17 PM, mulholland4  wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>  Has anyone replaced Framemaker with InDesign? Is this possible? What are
> the pro's and cons? Does anyone know of an in depth study of this topic.
>  Any useful comments would be much appreciated.
>  Thanks
> Mulholland
> ___

reply to copy/paste Greek... ?

[Milan Davidovic]

I found this post:

http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2008-February/010852.html

but can find no reply. I've got a similar situation; any ideas of what to try?

Thanks in advance...

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com

InDesign as a replacement for Framemaker

[Peter Gold]

I respectfully disagree with Art's conclusion.

While this feature comparison checklist is pretty thorough, and though
it omits some features of both products, it is useful for some
purposes.

However, because it doesn't present a user's experience or evaluation
in using either product for its intended professional work, or for the
other product's intended professional work, by itself, it's not
sufficiently informative for making a decision about adopting one or
the other for one's technical-publishing workflow.

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> Adobe actually presents the case for deciding pretty well.
>
> http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/comparison.html
>--

Regards,

Peter
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KnowHow ProServices

Installing FM 7.2 and FM 8.0 on a PC

[Celine Deguire]

Hello Framers

Has anyone installed multiple versions of FM on a PC? I am looking to
install FM 7.2 alongside FM 8 since I need to convert some legacy docs using
WWP Pro 7.06.

I was able to tweak the WWP registers and FM maker.ini file to establish
communication between FM 8 and WWPPro 7.06. However, when I attempt to
generate HTML from the unstructured sources, the XRefs within a book and
between multi-volumes are not generated into links. The WWP log displays
errors for each of the XRefs

Regards

Celine